Gene Hackman dead at 95: Iconic actor and wife, 63, are found dead with their dog at Santa Fe home. #2

[ttjo]

(-:
IMO,
With the ‘grand entry with glass windows’
& where that circular dome & stairs are, I think it’s very possible he could have seen both of them !

Could be! It was a very open concept home.

 

[priyaya]

Gosh, it's such a beautiful place now with this tragedy attached.

I really hope we can see more of the inside before they sell it off. Id love to see what he helped design.

 

[Sunshynn]

Going back to the search warrant at the residence - would a gas leak cause any other type of posoning other than carbon monoxide?
Genuinely asking because I don't really know and I apologize if this has already been touched on and I missed it somehow.

According to the search warrant - Detective Roy Arndt "..learned New Mexico Gas Company responded to the residence and was conducting active testing on the gas line in and around the residence.."

Read the Search Warrant Affidavit in the Gene Hackman Death Inquiry

An affidavit from a Santa Fe County detective described how deputies found the bodies of Gene Hackman and his wife, Betsy Arakawa, on Wednesday.

www.nytimes.com

It doesn't say if it was routine testing or if there was a reason behind them testing the lines. I am also assuming that they didn't respond due to the deaths but I reckon that that could also be a reason for them responding.

JMO.

 

[friendlysleuther]

I really hope we can see more of the inside before they sell it off. Id love to see what he helped design.

I can imagine the greenhouse (if it is, indeed that—) to look like this.. but, far more luxurious
Source of photo

 

[ttjo]

Maybe Its my imagination but it almost looks like someone (B?) coming out of the sliding glass doors.
So sad to see that now

 

[friendlysleuther]

Going back to the search warrant at the residence - would a gas leak cause any other type of posoning other than carbon monoxide?
Genuinely asking because I don't really know and I apologize if this has already been touched on and I missed it somehow.

According to the search warrant - Detective Roy Arndt "..learned New Mexico Gas Company responded to the residence and was conducting active testing on the gas line in and around the residence.."

Read the Search Warrant Affidavit in the Gene Hackman Death Inquiry

An affidavit from a Santa Fe County detective described how deputies found the bodies of Gene Hackman and his wife, Betsy Arakawa, on Wednesday.

www.nytimes.com

It doesn't say if it was routine testing or if there was a reason behind them testing the lines. I am also assuming that they didn't respond due to the deaths but I reckon that that could also be a reason for them responding.

JMO.

“New Mexico Gas Company responded the residence and was conducting active testing on the gas line in and around the residence. Those individuals were identified as David
Balizan and Thomas Barrera. As of now, there are no signs or evidence indicating there were any problems associated to the pipes in and around the residence”

I was confused about this at first, too.
I think the key word here is, “responded”
As in they responded to the residence

 

[friendlysleuther]

View attachment 567806
Maybe Its my imagination but it almost looks like someone ( B) coming out of the sliding glass doors.

Yes. It looks like someone is standing outside, to me! Good catch

 

[formerreddingrunner]

Your thoughts on THE DOOR?
to me, it's not a red flag that the 9-1-1 caller (the "caretaker") said that the door was locked (later, police reported the door was ajar) because in a property like this, there are so many doors. Maybe what the caretaker thought was the "main door" was more of a side door, or vice versa.

sorry, I'll read through the documents again. IIRC, police said a door was "ajar" or open.

For example, in the house that I grew up in, cars were packed on the side of the house and the main entryway (with the mudroom, etc.) was the back door.

 

[friendlysleuther]

“New Mexico Gas Company responded the residence and was conducting active testing on the gas line in and around the residence. Those individuals were identified as David
Balizan and Thomas Barrera. As of now, there are no signs or evidence indicating there were any problems associated to the pipes in and around the residence”

I was confused about this at first, too.
I think the key word here is, “responded”
As in they responded to the residence

Going back to the search warrant at the residence - would a gas leak cause any other type of posoning other than carbon monoxide?
Genuinely asking because I don't really know and I apologize if this has already been touched on and I missed it somehow.

According to the search warrant - Detective Roy Arndt "..learned New Mexico Gas Company responded to the residence and was conducting active testing on the gas line in and around the residence.."

Read the Search Warrant Affidavit in the Gene Hackman Death Inquiry

An affidavit from a Santa Fe County detective described how deputies found the bodies of Gene Hackman and his wife, Betsy Arakawa, on Wednesday.

www.nytimes.com

It doesn't say if it was routine testing or if there was a reason behind them testing the lines. I am also assuming that they didn't respond due to the deaths but I reckon that that could also be a reason for them responding.

JMO.

Adding from my other post,
“and was conducted”
IMO should have been written as,
“and conducted”

This could be something as simple as, it’s very possible that Detective Roy Ardnt-Trujillos (who wrote up the search warrant affidavit) first language is not English.

(I took 4+ years of Spanish & can say, verbs still confuse me)

 

[friendlysleuther]

Your thoughts on THE DOOR?
to me, it's not a red flag that the 9-1-1 caller (the "caretaker") said that the door was locked (later, police reported the door was ajar) because in a property like this, there are so many doors. Maybe what the caretaker thought was the "main door" was more of a side door, or vice versa.

sorry, I'll read through the documents again. IIRC, police said a door was "ajar" or open.

For example, in the house that I grew up in, cars were packed on the side of the house and the main entryway (with the mudroom, etc.) was the back door.

In the call, there’s a point where it sounds like Roland is almost hyperventilating…
(He was also crying)

When he said, “I have no idea. I'm not inside the house—it's closed, it's locked—I can't go in.”
He said it very fast.

It’s my opinion, this was just a trauma response. “It’s closed, it’s locked” was his brains natural response to flee after what he had just seen.
He couldn’t even tell the 911 operator what he was wearing, because of how distraught he was. I wouldn’t focus on this detail too much

 

[priyaya]

Going back to the search warrant at the residence - would a gas leak cause any other type of posoning other than carbon monoxide?
Genuinely asking because I don't really know and I apologize if this has already been touched on and I missed it somehow.

According to the search warrant - Detective Roy Arndt "..learned New Mexico Gas Company responded to the residence and was conducting active testing on the gas line in and around the residence.."

Read the Search Warrant Affidavit in the Gene Hackman Death Inquiry

An affidavit from a Santa Fe County detective described how deputies found the bodies of Gene Hackman and his wife, Betsy Arakawa, on Wednesday.

www.nytimes.com

It doesn't say if it was routine testing or if there was a reason behind them testing the lines. I am also assuming that they didn't respond due to the deaths but I reckon that that could also be a reason for them responding.

JMO.

there could be a natural gas leak, but that is more dangerous for explosions and it contains an odor so it is easily recognized

 

[priyaya]

Your thoughts on THE DOOR?
to me, it's not a red flag that the 9-1-1 caller (the "caretaker") said that the door was locked (later, police reported the door was ajar) because in a property like this, there are so many doors. Maybe what the caretaker thought was the "main door" was more of a side door, or vice versa.

sorry, I'll read through the documents again. IIRC, police said a door was "ajar" or open.

For example, in the house that I grew up in, cars were packed on the side of the house and the main entryway (with the mudroom, etc.) was the back door.

The way the house is designed, the front part is the public face, locked doors, and the back area is the private space with the view and garden.
I think the mudroom and other back doors were probably left open regularly since it would be very unlikely someone could enter from the back.
you'd have to go through the front.
but mostly it convinces me Gene was letting the dogs out or in. or possibly the dogs knew how to open the back door that was a simple latch

 

[Sunshynn]

there could be a natural gas leak, but that is more dangerous for explosions and it contains an odor so it is easily recognized

That's what I figured.

IMO, I think the search warrant is confusingly written in some places.

 

[friendlysleuther]

The way the house is designed, the front part is the public face, locked doors, and the back area is the private space with the view and garden.
I think the mudroom and other back doors were probably left open regularly since it would be very unlikely someone could enter from the back.
you'd have to go through the front.
but mostly it convinces me Gene was letting the dogs out or in. or possibly the dogs knew how to open the back door that was a simple latch

yes, the filled-in grey areas on the diagram I made up = “Open Masonry Porch” (OMP)

But the dogs also had a doggie door so I don’t think that gene was letting the dogs out or in, IMO

 

[Sunshynn]

The way the house is designed, the front part is the public face, locked doors, and the back area is the private space with the view and garden.
I think the mudroom and other back doors were probably left open regularly since it would be very unlikely someone could enter from the back.
you'd have to go through the front.
but mostly it convinces me Gene was letting the dogs out or in. or possibly the dogs knew how to open the back door that was a simple latch

But the search warrant states that it was the Front door that the detective found to be open.

From the search warrant (bbm):
"..When Deputy Thomas and Barron arrived, Deputy Thomas indicated he spoke to two individuals (one of which was the reporting party) who found and located the front door of the residence (1425 Old Sunset Trail) to be open/ajar....Deputy Thomas told Affiant after speaking to two males he and Deputy Barron then walked to the front of the residence and found the front door ajar. He advised he did not observe any signs of forced entry into the home."

 

[osu]

Helicopter footage of the Hackman home. There’s some zoomed-in shots showing close ups of different areas around the home.

Sky 7 flies over home where Gene Hackman and wife were found dead

Sky 7 is over-head of the home of actor Gene Hackman and his wife Betsy Arakawa in Santa Fe County.

www.koat.com

 

[formerreddingrunner]

But the search warrant states that it was the Front door that the detective found to be open.

From the search warrant (bbm):
"..When Deputy Thomas and Barron arrived, Deputy Thomas indicated he spoke to two individuals (one of which was the reporting party) who found and located the front door of the residence (1425 Old Sunset Trail) to be open/ajar....Deputy Thomas told Affiant after speaking to two males he and Deputy Barron then walked to the front of the residence and found the front door ajar. He advised he did not observe any signs of forced entry into the home."

Okay, thank u!!!

you found that so fast!

What do you think is the significance - if anything - of the front door being open/ajar? Is this significant? Or is this possibly a red herring?

I'm 50/50. I could see it going either way.

 

[osu]

1971 Honolulu Star newspaper clipping showing Betsy Arakawa at her piano debut.

Debut of the pianist who died with Gene Hackman - Slippedisc

 

[friendlysleuther]

Helicopter footage of the Hackman home. There’s some zoomed-in shots showing close ups of different areas around the home.

Sky 7 flies over home where Gene Hackman and wife were found dead

Sky 7 is over-head of the home of actor Gene Hackman and his wife Betsy Arakawa in Santa Fe County.

www.koat.com

thank you! Here’s a screenshot of (what I believe to be) LE walking into the back of the home

 

[Warwick7]

The way the house is designed, the front part is the public face, locked doors, and the back area is the private space with the view and garden.
I think the mudroom and other back doors were probably left open regularly since it would be very unlikely someone could enter from the back.
you'd have to go through the front.
but mostly it convinces me Gene was letting the dogs out or in. or possibly the dogs knew how to open the back door that was a simple latch

I believe he was letting them out also. Yes, there is a dogie door but pet owners still enjoy taking there animals out.