Gene Hackman dead at 95: Iconic actor and wife, 63, are found dead with their dog at Santa Fe home. #3

[tlcya]

Thanks @ClearAhead and @tlcya

while it is not unusual to see a beneficiary of a trust or will hire counsel, that usually happens after a dispute has occurred IME. But because I would assume the trust estate is rather sizeable, I don't know if it should be viewed as a sign of contention in this case. If I didn't work in this field and might be a named beneficiary under an immediate family member's trust or will, I might consult an attorney to get a better understanding of the administration process and my rights as a beneficiary.

ETA disposition and care of pets are likely covered under one of the trusts. I have even drafted trusts that contain sub trusts to solely benefit the surviving pets of a decedent. In it we named who was to be given the caretaking responsibilities of the animals, the amount to be held in trust to benefit the animals, the terms of distributions from that sub trust, such as how often, what amount, for what purpose etc. Sometimes those things can be extremely detailed.

I personally suspect that one of the major charitable beneficiaries of one of the two mentioned trusts is an animal charity.

 

[Warwick7]

A New Mexico court granted a temporary restraining order Monday against the release of certain records related to the investigation into the recent deaths of actor Gene Hackman and his wife, Betsy Arakawa.

Court puts a temporary hold on releasing records related to the deaths of Gene Hackman and his wife

The order is in response to a request by a representative for the couple’s estate.

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[Warwick7]

"The new revelations by the Santa Fe Sheriff's Department challenges previous reports and adds a layer of mystery to the already puzzling timeline.:

"We can now confirm that Mrs. Hackman’s phone was utilized on the morning of February 12 to call a medical center in Santa Fe, Cloudberry Health," authorities told Fox News Digital."

"A total of three calls were made that morning, all to the medical center."

Cops admit Gene Hackman's wife did call doctor after officers said she died

COPS have admitted that Gene Hackman’s wife Betsy Arakawa was still alive a full 24 hours after authorities initially believed she had died. Preliminary cell phone records show that Betsy mad…

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[tlcya]

"The new revelations by the Santa Fe Sheriff's Department challenges previous reports and adds a layer of mystery to the already puzzling timeline.:

"We can now confirm that Mrs. Hackman’s phone was utilized on the morning of February 12 to call a medical center in Santa Fe, Cloudberry Health," authorities told Fox News Digital."

"A total of three calls were made that morning, all to the medical center."

Cops admit Gene Hackman's wife did call doctor after officers said she died

COPS have admitted that Gene Hackman’s wife Betsy Arakawa was still alive a full 24 hours after authorities initially believed she had died. Preliminary cell phone records show that Betsy mad…

www.thesun.co.uk

This gives me hope that Gene wasn't alone for as long as first suspected.

 

[Warwick7]

"The Santa Fe sheriff says early February 12, she called Cloudberry, a medical concierge service with credentialed doctors."

"That would indicate to me that she was seeking medical advice or medical help, and may have not been feeling well," said Santa Fe County Sheriff Adan Mendoza."

New details about Gene Hackman's death could impact his estate

Authorities have offered a new timeline about when Betsy Arakawa died, which could play a role in where Hackman's fortune goes.

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[ClearAhead]

Thanks @ClearAhead and @tlcya. Much clearer. So son could just be being prudent. I would imagine GH planned to keep estate as private as possible. Would a will cover cover any estate matters not in Trusts? Like authority to make decisions on dogs?

The way I look at it is Wills disburse personal assets but Trusts are a separate and distinct legal entity sort of similar to a corporation. Ordinarily there should be no overlap between the two.

No idea if financial compensation for dog care was included but I’d bet there’s no shortage of people who would be honoured to adopt the two dogs, particularly those who knew the couple.

JMO

 

[Cherwell]

This gives me hope that Gene wasn't alone for as long as first suspected.

This is one reason why I've been so angry about the misrepresentation by the media, stating as a fact that she died a week before him. They like to put out the worst possible interpretation.

 

[ClearAhead]

This is one reason why I've been so angry about the misrepresentation by the media, stating as a fact that she died a week before him. They like to put out the worst possible interpretation.

Yeah and these phonecalls a day later are addressed by blaming “officials” instead of anyone apologizing for blatantly misreporting the information regarding time of death.

Gene Hackman’s wife, Betsy Arakawa, called doctor the day after officials say she died, physician claims

A medical examiner previously estimated that the pianist died on Feb. 11 after contracting hantavirus pulmonary syndrome, a rare rat-borne respiratory disease.

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Gene Hackman’s wife, Betsy Arakawa, called doctor the day after officials say she died, physician claims​

 

[tlcya]

The way I look at it is Wills disburse personal assets but Trusts are a separate and distinct legal entity sort of similar to a corporation. Ordinarily there should be no overlap between the two.

No idea if financial compensation for dog care was included but I’d bet there’s no shortage of people who would be honoured to adopt the two dogs, particularly those who knew the couple.

JMO

unless the couple did as my firm would have recommended and also assigned all personal property to the trust. We call it an assignment of household goods in IL and would basically encompass anything that a mover might pack up and move if you were changing residences (furnishings, clothing, jewelry, nick-nacks, etc.)

and yes, I am sure the surviving dogs are being well loved whether the couple had a pet trust or not. As you say, many would probably be honored.

 

[Muddy K]

Gifting the latest update from the NYT:

Gene Hackman’s Wife Died at Least a Day Later Than Originally Thought

 

[ClearAhead]

I noticed JP is the same person who’s administering the Estate, now acting on behalf of “the family”. IMO it would be a safe assumption to make that the “family” are beneficiaries of the estate otherwise JP would have no connection nor reason to protect their privacy in grief. JMO

Authorities update timeline on last days of Gene Hackman and his wife; court puts temporary hold on records

After authorities updated the timeline of the last days of actor Gene Hackman and his wife, Betsy Arakawa, a New Mexico court granted a temporary restraining order Monday against the release of certain records related to the investigation into their recent deaths.

www.kcci.com

“The order is in response to a request by Julia Peters, a representative for the couple's estate. She urged in a motion filed last week that the court seal records in the case to protect the family’s right to privacy in grief under the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.”

 

[tlcya]

The children are listed in Mr. Hackman’s will, though not expressly as beneficiaries. The will mentions multiple trusts, the details of which are not public.

Mr. Hackman’s personal representative, Ms. Peters, described the three children as heirs in court papers.
Gene Hackman’s Wife Died at Least a Day Later Than Originally Thought

if they are define as heirs but not as legatees in court papers then I am pretty confident the only legatees (one who would benefit under a will) are the trusts. Those children could very well be beneficiaries under the trust. Or Hackman may have left them out entirely of any share of his estate. Only time and a court battle will tell MOO

 

[ClearAhead]

The children are listed in Mr. Hackman’s will, though not expressly as beneficiaries. The will mentions multiple trusts, the details of which are not public.

Mr. Hackman’s personal representative, Ms. Peters, described the three children as heirs in court papers.
Gene Hackman’s Wife Died at Least a Day Later Than Originally Thought

if they are define as heirs but not as legatees in court papers then I am pretty confident the only legatees (one who would benefit under a will) are the trusts. Those children could very well be beneficiaries under the trust. Or Hackman may have left them out entirely of any share of his estate. Only time and a court battle will tell MOO

Quote BBM in reply.
If the three children were described as ‘heirs’ wouldn’t that indicate they’re going to receive an inheritance?

 

[tlcya]

Quote BBM in reply.
If the three children were described as ‘heirs’ wouldn’t that indicate they’re going to receive an inheritance?

Not necessarily. It is legal terminology that doesn't mean who gets what.

Heirs would refer to "heirs at law" meaning those who, by right of descendance, would stand to inherit if someone dies without a Will. Legatee would refer to someone who is mentioned to receive some benefit under a Will. Sometimes heirs are also legatees. sometimes they are only "heirs" or Heirs at law"

ETA in opening a probate (at least in my state) heirs must be named in the petition to open probate, as must legatees. So them being named in court docs doesn't indicate they will or won't get something. But had they been also listed as legatees (or sometimes called a devisee) we would know the were named to receive something. Since they were only named as heirs we can assume they are not inheriting. At least under the Will. but they may well be receiving something under the several trusts we've been told exist.

 

[SophieRose]

Seen a preview on the television yesterday for an upcoming show about Gene. But I can't find it online. Believe it was to air on Tuesday. Anyone else see that?

Thanks for the heads up.

"Last Days of Gene Hackman: ABC News Special" airs Tuesday, March 18, at 10 p.m. ET on ABC.

The last days of Gene Hackman and wife Betsy Arakawa: A timeline

A timeline of the tragic deaths of actor Gene Hackman and his wife Betsy Arakawa.

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[Warwick7]

I noticed JP is the same person who’s administering the Estate, now acting on behalf of “the family”. IMO it would be a safe assumption to make that the “family” are beneficiaries of the estate otherwise JP would have no connection nor reason to protect their privacy in grief. JMO

Authorities update timeline on last days of Gene Hackman and his wife; court puts temporary hold on records

After authorities updated the timeline of the last days of actor Gene Hackman and his wife, Betsy Arakawa, a New Mexico court granted a temporary restraining order Monday against the release of certain records related to the investigation into their recent deaths.

www.kcci.com

“The order is in response to a request by Julia Peters, a representative for the couple's estate. She urged in a motion filed last week that the court seal records in the case to protect the family’s right to privacy in grief under the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.”

I saw this similar information the other day but it wasn't in a approved msm. Thank you for putting this here.

 

[Warwick7]

The children are listed in Mr. Hackman’s will, though not expressly as beneficiaries. The will mentions multiple trusts, the details of which are not public.

Mr. Hackman’s personal representative, Ms. Peters, described the three children as heirs in court papers.
Gene Hackman’s Wife Died at Least a Day Later Than Originally Thought

if they are define as heirs but not as legatees in court papers then I am pretty confident the only legatees (one who would benefit under a will) are the trusts. Those children could very well be beneficiaries under the trust. Or Hackman may have left them out entirely of any share of his estate. Only time and a court battle will tell MOO

This is pretty close to accurate. A friend of mine, when her mother passed away had everything put in a trust. My friend has complete access to it whenever she needs the funds. She just has to go through the trustee. Never once has she ever been denied any money.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

 

[imstilla.grandma]

The request to seal the records notes that the couple placed “a significant value on their privacy and took affirmative vigilant steps” to safeguard their privacy over their lifetime, including after they moved to Santa Fe and Hackman retired. The state capital is known as a refuge for celebrities, artists and authors

Court puts a temporary hold on releasing records related to the deaths of Gene Hackman and his wife

A New Mexico court has granted a temporary restraining order against the release of certain records related to the investigation into the recent deaths of actor Gene Hackman and his

www.idahostatejournal.com

 

[Warwick7]

"Arakawa, who wasn't an established patient, told Cloudberry she was "feeling congested," but she "didn't sound ill," according to Dr. Josiah Child, founder of Cloudberry Health."

"Arakawa asked about hyperbaric therapy -- which involves breathing pure oxygen in a pressurized chamber -- and "they told her she should come in to discuss," Child said.:

"An appointment was scheduled for 1:15 p.m. but she didn't attend; she also didn't respond to Cloudberry's follow up call, according to Child."

The tragic deaths of Gene Hackman and Betsy Arakawa: A timeline

A timeline of the tragic deaths of actor Gene Hackman and his wife Betsy Arakawa.

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