General Discussion and Theories #3

[Alethea Dice]

.... it was mentioned on one of the news videos when they talked to a neighbor , they even showed his camera hanging under his eaves-trough ... I am pretty sure it was at MB's .... because neighbor also mentioned how quiet and private they were (MB household)

I could be wrong ... maybe was MS or DM house .... but pretty sure it was MB

I didnt save the video link .

I think that was at DM's house. The interview when the neighbour said he saw them working in the backyard "Wednesday, Thursday". Will see if I can find the video.

 

[Alethea Dice]

.... it was mentioned on one of the news videos when they talked to a neighbor , they even showed his camera hanging under his eaves-trough ... I am pretty sure it was at MB's .... because neighbor also mentioned how quiet and private they were (MB household)

I could be wrong ... maybe was MS or DM house .... but pretty sure it was MB

I didnt save the video link .

Maybe I'm wrong. This is the neighbour I was thinking about, but I don't see a camera.

http://www.citynews.ca/2013/05/12/neighbours-surprised-to-learn-etobicoke-man-is-suspect-in-hamilton-disappearance/

It's also not the same video I was looking for either though. He spoke longer in the one I had in mind.

 

[Alethea Dice]

Neighbours told CBC News the lights of the truck were so bright, they couldn't make out a licence plate. They also noted they hadn't seen Millard's mother all week.[/I]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamil...pearance-staying-silent-lawyer-says-1.1330722

Just jumping off your post.

In my search for a video, I came across this. I know there's been some discussion about how long MB had been away from home when the truck was dropped off. This neighbour says that she was at home on the Wednesday.

Mr. Cianfarani said he had not seen Ms Burns in the home since Wednesday.

http://www.yorkregion.com/news-story/2874876-vaughan-neighbours-shocked-by-discovery-of-tim-bosma-s-truck/

 

[swedie]

.... it was mentioned on one of the news videos when they talked to a neighbor , they even showed his camera hanging under his eaves-trough ... I am pretty sure it was at MB's .... because neighbor also mentioned how quiet and private they were (MB household)

I could be wrong ... maybe was MS or DM house .... but pretty sure it was MB

I didnt save the video link .

A neighbour on Maplegate had surveillance, not sure abut MB's neighbours but LE said they were going to be checking that possibility out. I know the one neighbour of MB's did take pictures from their home while LE were there to take away the trailer. IMO I have a feeling LE have a huge amount of evidence we haven't even considered.

 

[SnooperDuper]

A neighbour on Maplegate had surveillance, not sure abut MB's neighbours but LE said they were going to be checking that possibility out. I know the one neighbour of MB's did take pictures from their home while LE were there to take away the trailer. IMO I have a feeling LE have a huge amount of evidence we haven't even considered.

Yes you two are right there was video surveillance on Maplegate Crt, next door:

On Friday, a man who has done work at a house on the street for years — and did not want to be named for safety reasons — said Toronto Police forensics officers were parked at Millard's childhood home where his father, pilot Wayne Millard, had lived until his death in December.

[...]

The worker said Hamilton Police detectives had come by to pick up surveillance video from the house next door on Saturday.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2013/05/19/tim_bosma_neighbours_miss_millards_quiet_mother.html

 

[Arnie M]

Yes you two are right there was video surveillance on Maplegate Crt, next door:
http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2013/05/19/tim_bosma_neighbours_miss_millards_quiet_mother.html

Thank you for that correction .... the majority of the article was about MB & neighbors and when I read ....

.... The worker said Hamilton Police detectives had come by to pick up surveillance video from the house next door on Saturday.

.... I assumed it was about her .... a more careful reading shows it was indeed the Maple Gate Court neighbor. Thanks again.

 

[Arnie M]

I did find the video showing the security camera on the neighbors house .... it is on the second video on this link .... let the first one play , once it ends , the second one should begin automatically ... that's where you will find it ....

A good capture of CM WM & DM at 0:18
The neighbor home security camera is shown at 1:00

http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/police-probe-link-between-bosma-suspect-missing-woman-1.1286814

 

[Juballee]

Does anyone else still wonder how two teams, over 100 professional, trained people, investigating at least two missing persons failed to look under mounds of hay or missed seeing over 50 barrels at the same location where they were searching? Personally, I still find this completely unbelievable. To me that would be like searching a home for a missing person or two, but not looking under that huge pile of blankets in the laundry room, or failing to notice that said laundry room was full of, say, 50 old freezers. Is there going to be any culpability for failing to look thoroughly the first two times or are we just supposed to forget that part?

 

[swedie]

Just jumping off your post.

In my search for a video, I came across this. I know there's been some discussion about how long MB had been away from home when the truck was dropped off. This neighbour says that she was at home on the Wednesday.



http://www.yorkregion.com/news-story/2874876-vaughan-neighbours-shocked-by-discovery-of-tim-bosma-s-truck/

Therefore it's likely MB left her home sometime on Wednesday before the trailer was brought there that night. Could it have been DM and MB spoke within a day or two before the Wednesday and MB told DM she was going away for a bit, therefore he believed her driveway was a safe place to leave the trailer with TB' truck inside and figured it would not raise anyone's suspicions. DM needed to leave the trailer somewhere other then his own properties or MS's property. To leave it in some random place would certainly raise suspicion. And I believe DM and MS still had plans for the truck, otherwise they could have just drove it into a lake or set it on fire somewhere. I would say because they did not get rid of TB's truck, that's a pretty good indication the truck was motive. This was not a thrill kill. MOO.

 

[swedie]

Does anyone else still wonder how two teams, over 100 professional, trained people, investigating at least two missing persons failed to look under mounds of hay or missed seeing over 50 barrels at the same location where they were searching? Personally, I still find this completely unbelievable. To me that would be like searching a home for a missing person or two, but not looking under that huge pile of blankets in the laundry room, or failing to notice that said laundry room was full of, say, 50 old freezers. Is there going to be any culpability for failing to look thoroughly the first two times or are we just supposed to forget that part?

No I myself do not find it completely unbelievable. How do we know how thorough the barn was searched in previous searches? We don't so to assume they missed anything is just that; assumption. We do not know what type of instrumentation was used in previous searches, or what could have been retrieved in previous searches. Reporters focused moreso in the digging of the property and back near the bush area and could have likely missed what may have going on in the barn behind closed doors. Something they may have collected from the barn in an earlier search might have been what lead them back into the barn on this latest search. It was stated new information lead them back to the barn. Could be the new information was something collected during the first search, which may have seemed irrelevant at the the time, but upon testing whatever they may have retrieved, ended up relevant after all and connected to LB. HTH and MOO.

Toronto police joined the farm search in May. In early June, investigators said they found no evidence related to Babcock’s disappearance and left. However, Toronto detectives and forensics officers returned to the farm on Monday, armed with a search warrant based on new information.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2..._materials_team_inspects_mystery_barrels.html

Police have spent two days searching the barn on Millard’s Roseville Road farm. Police have not disclosed whether any new evidence has been found or what new information led them back to the farm they already searched in May.

http://globalnews.ca/news/834240/po...s-on-barn-located-on-dellen-millard-property/

 

[swedie]

Does anyone know what that piece of equipment is seen in the video at 1:03 in the loft of the barn? I though it might be an old collapsible work horse or table some carpenters use to set up tools such as saws. Could this have been what was brought out of the barn wrapped in plastic? In later pictures this equipment is no longer seen in the loft. Maybe LE just moved it to another location within the loft. Hmmm JMO.

Picture of equipment with investigator who has a camera around his neck.
https://www.google.ca/search?q=dell...yRecord%2Fstatus%2F377141878337970176;599;399

http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/more-items-removed-as-police-continue-to-search-millard-barn-1.1448622

Work horse table example image
https://www.google.ca/search?q=work...%2F11700%2Fi.html%3F_kw%3Dhorse%2Bsaw;192;225

 

[Sillybilly]

No I myself do not find it completely unbelievable. How do we know how thorough the barn was searched in previous searches?

<rsbm>

Same here swedie ... for all we know, the barrels could have been locked in a self-contained room, not part of the first warrant when TPS was doing their GPR search of the property. If the barrels were in a separate section and not visible from a cursory look in the barn, there wouldn't be anything suspicious seen to justify another warrant at that time.

 

[Juballee]

<rsbm>

Same here swedie ... for all we know, the barrels could have been locked in a self-contained room, not part of the first warrant when TPS was doing their GPR search of the property. If the barrels were in a separate section and not visible from a cursory look in the barn, there wouldn't be anything suspicious seen to justify another warrant at that time.

And no one during the other 2 searches wondered if anything was hiding under the hay? The were looking for dead bodies, how hard were they looking if they missed a whole room containing over 50 barrels? Especially when you consider that it was the only building on the property, personally I would think someone out of the over 100 professionals would take more than a cursory look.

 

[Sillybilly]

And no one during the other 2 searches wondered if anything was hiding under the hay? The were looking for dead bodies, how hard were they looking if they missed a whole room containing over 50 barrels? Especially when you consider that it was the only building on the property, personally I would think someone out of the over 100 professionals would take more than a cursory look.

Do you have a link that says the barrels were hidden under the hay?

 

[skatergirl]

And no one during the other 2 searches wondered if anything was hiding under the hay? The were looking for dead bodies, how hard were they looking if they missed a whole room containing over 50 barrels? Especially when you consider that it was the only building on the property, personally I would think someone out of the over 100 professionals would take more than a cursory look.

The first search of the farm was in relation to TB, whom they found, deceased, burned, so not searching for further bodies at that time.

Second search in relation to LB and WM according to news reports, this search was for a specific area of the property based on information LE had received at that time.

Most recent search, again based on new information received, and seems obvious the area of focus this time was the barn.

I will say JMO, as I have not included links to articles detailing the above, but they have been posted many times throughout the threads here, so if questioning the non-search of the barn previously, perhaps reading back will uncover the information

 

[Alethea Dice]

Do you have a link that says the barrels were hidden under the hay?

Juballee can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think she's saying that the barrels were hidden under the hay. Her previous post says "look under mounds of hay or missed seeing over 50 barrels". I read the posts more as that, even if the barrels were under the hay, they perhaps should have been found in a search for a missing person and/or a body. That's mostly where my questioning of it came from - if you're looking for a body on a farm with only one building, you would think that a more complex search through all that hay would have happened during a previous search.

JMO

 

[skatergirl]

how hard were they looking if they missed a whole room containing over 50 barrels?

rsbm

And, it was not over 50 barrels, it was 54 containers
The mystery containers — some labelled, some full — range in size between 20 and 170 litres, Parsons said, adding that the team is doing tests and has its own laboratory in a van at the farm.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2..._materials_team_inspects_mystery_barrels.html

IMO, a 20 litre container is just an averaged size gas can, and the 170 litre container would be the barrel size, no indication as to how many of each, or what sized 'containers' between were recovered

From the pic below, I see more gas can sized containers than barrels

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BUDcdIcCQAE-wEC.jpg

:moo:

 

[skatergirl]

Does anyone know what that piece of equipment is seen in the video at 1:03 in the loft of the barn? I though it might be an old collapsible work horse or table some carpenters use to set up tools such as saws. Could this have been what was brought out of the barn wrapped in plastic? In later pictures this equipment is no longer seen in the loft. Maybe LE just moved it to another location within the loft. Hmmm JMO.

Picture of equipment with investigator who has a camera around his neck.
https://www.google.ca/search?q=dell...yRecord%2Fstatus%2F377141878337970176;599;399

http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/more-items-removed-as-police-continue-to-search-millard-barn-1.1448622

Work horse table example image
https://www.google.ca/search?q=work...%2F11700%2Fi.html%3F_kw%3Dhorse%2Bsaw;192;225

It could be what you are thinking Swedie, but it's awfully low to the ground for that?

 

[MsSherlock]

It could be what you are thinking Swedie, but it's awfully low to the ground for that?

I'm just attaching a blown up image of the item. I'm not quite sure what it is-perhaps someone will recognize it.

 

[Arnie M]

Does anyone else still wonder how two teams, over 100 professional, trained people, investigating at least two missing persons failed to look under mounds of hay or missed seeing over 50 barrels at the same location where they were searching? Personally, I still find this completely unbelievable. To me that would be like searching a home for a missing person or two, but not looking under that huge pile of blankets in the laundry room, or failing to notice that said laundry room was full of, say, 50 old freezers. Is there going to be any culpability for failing to look thoroughly the first two times or are we just supposed to forget that part?

They did search the mounds of straw
Even going so far as to remove it from the barn

They did search the barrels
Even going so far as to remove them & check the contents

First search did not require attention to barrels and straw
Second search required attention to barrels and straw

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