General Discussion Thread #1 -Bail Hearing

[Melanie]

Nair: "I cannot completely exclude, if not premeditation, planning." Consider it schedule 6, the most serious offence. Pistorius shakes.

 

[Estelle]

You know that is a quote from THE ONION, right?

I fell for it! I have never heard of the Onion before!

 

[Sarahlou]

Anything from 6-12 months time...

He is buggered. and yes..should be on suicide watch if he doesnt get bail which is more than likely...it will be a very long wait until his trial.

Thanks. Yes that would seem a very long wait, especially in a tough jail. I'm undecided as to whether I think he'd try and commit suicide. He might be arrogant enough to think no-one is going to actually find HIM, Oscar Pistorius, guilty!

 

[21merc7]

Wow. She was in her nightgown. He shot her in the bedroom first, then she fled to the bathroom, he got up, put his legs on, shot her 3 more times. Just wow. I have no idea what they were fighting about, but this is rage.

I don't agree with the prosecutor that it was premeditated, unless they have more than is being released and can prove he was planning to kill his short term girlfriend. If they do, I will change my mind on that one.

Bedroom shot links:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...irlfriend-multiple-times-in-bedroom-bathroom/

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57569823/new-details-emerge-in-pistorius-murder-case/

 

[sweetcaro]

The whole case is sad, mind boggling, unexpected and so on.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Well that explains how / when he put his legs on. The fact she locked the door is very telling - poor girl. I bet it's not the first time she ran to that toilet and locked herself in there.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Apparently they were fighting because she was flirting with some kind of football player / friend of Oscars via the iPad ... According to the daily mirror (sorry cant link on iPhone will put up when I'm on laptop) anyway not the first time either .. The steroids found will be another mess to deal with. Starting to think athletes can no longer compete unless are doing drugs - call me cynical.

 

[21merc7]

Apparently they were fighting because she was flirting with some kind of football player / friend of Oscars via the iPad ... According to the daily mirror (sorry cant link on iPhone will put up when I'm on laptop) anyway not the first time either .. The steroids found will be another mess to deal with. Starting to think athletes can no longer compete unless are doing drugs - call me cynical.

I see. How very sad. I would guess he was very insecure, and that is understandable, but shooting someone over it is beyond understandable.

I agree on the steroid or other enhancing drugs.

 

[Wondergirl]

Judge rules Pistorius case is 'schedule six'


Magistrate Desmond Nair has ruled that Pistorius's case is a schedule six offence.

That makes it extremely unlikely the defendant will be granted bail.

Good.

Thanks for all the updates everyone.

 

[Lola]

Reeva had bought me a present for Valentines Day. We were deeply in love. Oscar sobs. tweet via karynmaughan enca news....really, what did you get her?

 

[Snoopster]

(The Independent twitter feed) Judge calls for break in proceedings as Oscar breaks down.
Brother reaches over to comfort him.

 

[Carol70]

Lawd..sorry....but I just got such a lump in my throat following this...I know I shouldnt but I do!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/feb/19/oscar-pistorius-bail-hearing-live-coverage

 

[Snoopster]

affadavit says Reeva was doing yoga and OP was in bed, with his legs off, watching tv.
(Ind. twitter - the journalist is Daniel Howden)

 

[Melanie]

Updated tweets from bail hearing (read bottom to top).

David Smith‏@SmithInAfrica

- Pistorius: I tried to revive Reeva but she died in my arms. "I am mortified."

- Opened toilet door and Reeva was alive. I took her to bathroom, called Netcare, picked her up and went downstairs.

- Pistorius: Reeva was not in bed. That's when it occurred to me she could have been in bathroom. Bathroom door was locked.

- Pistorius: As I did not have my prosthetic legs on, I felt vulnerable for myself and Reeva. Feared danger posed by intruders.

- Pistorius: I screamed words to the effect of, get out of the bathroom. It was dark and I thought Reeva was in bed.

- Pistorius: I went out on balcony and heard a noise in the bathroom. I felt a "sense of terror" rush through me.

- Pistorius: She got into bed and we fell asleep. I have been a victim of crime before. For that reason I keep 9mm gun under the bed.

- Nair leaves to allow Pistorius to regain composure. A woman hands him an energy drink, his brother pats him on the back, Roux talks to him.

- Pistorius: "We were deeply in love." She felt the same way.

- Pistorius: We agreed to spend evening at home. By 10pm we were in bedroom, she was doing yoga, I was watching TV with prosthetic legs off.

- Pistorius denies premeditated murder in "strongest terms... nothing can be further from the truth." Not possible for state to provide facts.

 

[Carol70]

First mention of cricket bat:

Karyn Maughan @karynmaughan


#OscarPistorius: I believe the forensic evidence will prove what I am saying. I used a cricket bat to break open toilet door. @eNCAnews

 

[Snoopster]

OP: I thought it was an intruder in bathroom, filled with horror and fear I shot throughh the toilet door

it only dawned on me afterwards that it was reeva in the toilet. I put on my legs and broke the locked door with cricket bat

reeva died in my arms after I failed to revive her

 

[Snoopster]

David Smith @SmithInAfrica

Pistorius: My continued incarceration will be of "no benefit" to the state. Release would not disturb the public order.

 

[Snoopster]

That is the end of the affadavit. Nair asks Pistorius if he is satisfied with it. He stands and says, "Yes, sir. Yes, your worship."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/feb/19/oscar-pistorius-bail-hearing-live-coverage

 

[Melanie]

Tweets (read bottom to top)

David Smith‏@SmithInAfrica

- Nair asks Pistorius if he is satisfied with affidavit. He stands and replies: "Yes sir, yes your worship."

- Pistorius: My continued incarceration will be of "no benefit" to the state. Release would not disturb the public order.

- Pistorius: "I am willing to surrender my passports should it be a condition of bail." After incident, I did not attempt to flee.

- Pistorius: I have no intention to interfere with any witnesses. I have no previous convictions. "I am not disposed to violence."

- Pistorius: "I trust the South African legal system and the facts will show that I did not murder Reeva."

 

[LJKaust]

Oh this is heartbreaking