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I can clearly see how most of your theory may be plausable however I just can't get past my believing that Ron has a working relationship with LE [in the past and in the present]
LE continues to use kid gloves with Ron.
-RC's Previous charges for serious offences -->NO JUSTICE/SENTENCE served for them.
-Ron was NEVER charged with a sexual relationship with an underaged Misty.
*Ron's early days in jail with him(RC) talking about:
-LE bringing him the phone several times a day in to his cell, something that I've NEVER heard afforded to other individuals/prisoners
-Allowing longer visits with his Mother
-Moving him back to putnam so he could be closer to his Mother
-Allowing Ron to move into general population (Ron wanted this very much & LE granted HIS REQUEST)
-LE has NOT realeased ALL Ron's jail calls
-Currently working with LE to work out a deal out for himself by testifying against his underaged wife and Tommy

I BELIEVE RON'S A SNITCH/RAT
Everything is a BIG con to him(RC)
Ron's a snake who continues to slither by

I have a feeling that Ron's working relationship with LE is only when it benefits Ron. If he had an ongoing working relationship with LE, I doubt he would have been amongst the ones in the drug busts.

As to the prior charges, I don't know if any of them were felonies. Were the amounts enough to make them felonies? RC has also had a good attorney for many years. I believe Mr. Shoemaker has represented Ron on several occasions in the past. It's also evident to me that Ron listens to his attorney. He knows how this game is played. Ron was a little frayed when this last bust came down and gave DTreen an interview, but buttoned up soon after.

As far as giving Ron access to the phone, well yeah, sure they want him talking. All the while he is talking, they are listening.

As for Misty being underaged, who was going to testify against him? Misty wasn't going to testify against her beloved prince. Her parents signed a waiver for her to marry the man. Had they not married, perhaps at some point LE may have used that as leverage, but I guess we'll never know.

As to why LE moved RC back to Putnam County, allowed longer visits with his mother, granted his wish to be in General Population, I don't know. Do we know they did these things because it's what Ron wanted? If so, I'd like to know the answer to those questions myself.

The 15 year plea deal they are negotiating hasn't happened yet. Frankly, I don't see why they need his testimony on anything regarding the drug busts.
 
Oh yeah I forgot--dismissing all those old charges also allowed him to get a concealed weapons permit. I believed twall or papa posted a link to that info quite awhile back.

I understand the fact that if charges are dismissed, they are not on a person's record. I had forgotten about the concealed weapon permit RC was able to get and this really bugs me ALOT. I know the law is the law and all that but something about this just seems so wrong.
 
BBM.. And I suspect Haleigh had already been deceased anywhere from 10 to 11 hours before that 911 call was ever made..JMO
BTW... Thanks for the link...

Emeralgem, you may be right. Out of all of us, who really knows? I suspect the complete truth may never be known. I think we are all in agreement as to Misty holding the key to this whole case. LE has told us this much. So 10 to 11 hours would be around 4:30-5:30 p.m. on February 9th? You might be right.

After all this time, I'm just having a problem as to why LE has not boldly pointed toward RC. They DO seem to have a problem with implicating him with his "stated" alibi. I had hoped LE would start to leak tidbits about their doubts as to RC, but so far, I haven't seen it and like others, I have looked vigilantly for it. I don't want to believe a father could hurt his own child, but I have never thought Haleigh's death was intentional. We know that it could happen and it does happen, more times than we want to acknowledge. As for myself, I have never been able to reconcile Ron's behavior with someone who is completely innocent in this case. Maybe one could excuse a few of his actions, blunders and misspeaks, but collectively, not all of them over this 15 month period. At the very least, I believe RC is guilty of being complicit in covering a crime and hindering an investigation into the death of his own daughter.

Even with all of this said about Ronald Cummings, you have to look at the other side of the coin which is Tommy. It's no secret that there is no love lost between Tommy and Ron, yet neither will throw the other totally under the bus. I think Tommy is in this deep and not only deep, but very deep, as is Misty. Although Misty will throw Tommy under the bus with the everchanging direction of the wind, I don't recall Tommy ever throwing her under the bus. Tommy has been protecting not only himself, but also his baby sister, not RC. I suspect if it weren't for his own involvement and that of his sister, he would have thrown Ron under long ago.

As for who Tommy was referring to, as being responsible for taking Haleigh, in the jailhouse phone call to Flora Hollars, it sure does sound to me like it was Joe. As far as who Tommy was referring to when he said, he can't get to any of us now, that sure does sound like Ron to me. If Ron were the one calling the shots because it was HIS daughter who "got stole" and he was the one controlling this situation, then perhaps it was Ron telling them all to keep their mouths shut or else.

Then you have cousin Joe. It's not out of the realm of possibility that crazy Joe (their words, not mine) is the culprit in this whole mess. Afterall, Misty and Chelsea have been throwing him into the mix for some time now. Yeah... sidetracking here, Chelsea seems to throw herself into this mess at the strangest of times, doesn't she? Just how did that van parked at Chelsea's, with the wheels turned a certain way, get from her house to Ron's? Or hey, was it ever really at Ron's house? Wasn't Misty driving it that day? How did it get back to Chelsea's? Then how did Misty get from Chelsea's to Ron's? But wait, Misty was left with the Altima that night, according to a neighbor. Is the blue van a red herring? Okay, forget the blue van. LE had it for some time and released it, if that tells us anything. What it tells us, I'm not sure, I'm just confused by all the switching of vehicles in this case and imo, that's RasinCharlie's expertise anyway.

Onward, if Joe did this unspeakable act that caused Haleigh's demise, why would Ron protect him? I call it protecting Joe when Ron states there was no fight with this cousin and this cousin wasn't at the house. At the very least, Ron certainly wasn't pointing LE in Joe's direction to my knowledge. Just maybe Ron liked having something over on Joe. Yeah, it's pretty dispicable, but we can't think logically or rationally here. I wonder why Misty went to Tennessee? I wonder if Misty picked up any sort of payoff (be it drugs or guns) from cousin Joe for someone?

The possibilities in this whole sordid mess seem endless. I don't care if I'm right or wrong about this case. Puzzles intrigue me and this is the puzzle that keeps on giving. I would imagine that there will be plenty of straw hats for us all to eat when this is said and done. Either that, or we will all starve to death because this case may never truly be solved.

Whatever happened to Haleigh, one thing is certain, she was failed by many and most certainly by those who knew her best. It is my hope that the future will hold brighter things for Junior and that the families on all sides of these two children have learned some very valuable lessons. Children are precious cargo and need to be treated as such.
 
I have a feeling that Ron's working relationship with LE is only when it benefits Ron. If he had an ongoing working relationship with LE, I doubt he would have been amongst the ones in the drug busts.

As to the prior charges, I don't know if any of them were felonies. Were the amounts enough to make them felonies? RC has also had a good attorney for many years. I believe Mr. Shoemaker has represented Ron on several occasions in the past. It's also evident to me that Ron listens to his attorney. He knows how this game is played. Ron was a little frayed when this last bust came down and gave DTreen an interview, but buttoned up soon after.

As far as giving Ron access to the phone, well yeah, sure they want him talking. All the while he is talking, they are listening.

As for Misty being underaged, who was going to testify against him? Misty wasn't going to testify against her beloved prince. Her parents signed a waiver for her to marry the man. Had they not married, perhaps at some point LE may have used that as leverage, but I guess we'll never know.

As to why LE moved RC back to Putnam County, allowed longer visits with his mother, granted his wish to be in General Population, I don't know. Do we know they did these things because it's what Ron wanted? If so, I'd like to know the answer to those questions myself.

The 15 year plea deal they are negotiating hasn't happened yet. Frankly, I don't see why they need his testimony on anything regarding the drug busts.

You know SoSueMe I go back and forth...but I keep seeing a well seasoned criminal in RC and you're RIGHT!! He knows how to play the game well IMO

You can be a snitch at one time or another
and still get busted for illegal activity.

You're so right on if RC's previous charges were felonies on not...I'm not sure but that makes sense. I've gone around and around on this case and memory's starting to fade in places:waitasec:

In one of RC's jail recordings Ron was wanting & pleading for General Population real bad. After Tommy and Misty were at the deck with LE
RC was put in GP.

I don't see either what RC could possibly add with his testimony in the up coming drug trial...and that's just it...RC can't add a thing...and so to me favoritism is at play and it's in RC's favor...for some reason:banghead:

Wish all the nonsense would stop and the truth would come out...for lil Haleigh's sake:angel:
 
I know this is the wrong thread but I can't find the off topic chit chat thread? Kimster or Grannyj please move my post?

This was posted in another subforum and it gives a description about LVA's. It also discusses different ( names references to publications) study results on the outcome of when a child goes missing (even though the child in question was 2 when he disappeared compared to Haleigh's 5 yrs)

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Similarities to other Cases. Melinda Duckett, Diane Downs and more
 
my bold above

I can clearly see how most of your theory may be plausible however I just can't get past my believing that Ron has a working relationship with LE [in the past and in the present]
LE continues to use kid gloves with Ron.
-RC's Previous charges for serious offences -->NO JUSTICE/SENTENCE served for them.
-Ron was NEVER charged with a sexual relationship with an underaged Misty.
*Ron's early days in jail with him(RC) talking about:
-LE bringing him the phone several times a day in to his cell, something that I've NEVER heard afforded to other individuals/prisoners
-Allowing longer visits with his Mother
-Moving him back to putnam so he could be closer to his Mother
-Allowing Ron to move into general population (Ron wanted this very much & LE granted HIS REQUEST)
-LE has NOT realeased ALL Ron's jail calls
-Currently working with LE to work out a deal out for himself by testifying against his underaged wife and Tommy

I BELIEVE RON'S A SNITCH/RAT
Everything is a BIG con to him(RC)
Ron's a snake who continues to slither by

That list sounds more like LE knows Ron is going to do prison time for the drug charges but has compassion for him because they know he didn't have anything to do with the murder of his daughter.

IMO
 
Emeralgem, you may be right. Out of all of us, who really knows? I suspect the complete truth may never be known. I think we are all in agreement as to Misty holding the key to this whole case. LE has told us this much. So 10 to 11 hours would be around 4:30-5:30 p.m. on February 9th? You might be right.

After all this time, I'm just having a problem as to why LE has not boldly pointed toward RC. They DO seem to have a problem with implicating him with his "stated" alibi. I had hoped LE would start to leak tidbits about their doubts as to RC, but so far, I haven't seen it and like others, I have looked vigilantly for it. I don't want to believe a father could hurt his own child, but I have never thought Haleigh's death was intentional. We know that it could happen and it does happen, more times than we want to acknowledge. As for myself, I have never been able to reconcile Ron's behavior with someone who is completely innocent in this case. Maybe one could excuse a few of his actions, blunders and misspeaks, but collectively, not all of them over this 15 month period. At the very least, I believe RC is guilty of being complicit in covering a crime and hindering an investigation into the death of his own daughter.

Even with all of this said about Ronald Cummings, you have to look at the other side of the coin which is Tommy. It's no secret that there is no love lost between Tommy and Ron, yet neither will throw the other totally under the bus. I think Tommy is in this deep and not only deep, but very deep, as is Misty. Although Misty will throw Tommy under the bus with the everchanging direction of the wind, I don't recall Tommy ever throwing her under the bus. Tommy has been protecting not only himself, but also his baby sister, not RC. I suspect if it weren't for his own involvement and that of his sister, he would have thrown Ron under long ago.
As for who Tommy was referring to, as being responsible for taking Haleigh, in the jailhouse phone call to Flora Hollars, it sure does sound to me like it was Joe. As far as who Tommy was referring to when he said, he can't get to any of us now, that sure does sound like Ron to me. If Ron were the one calling the shots because it was HIS daughter who "got stole" and he was the one controlling this situation, then perhaps it was Ron telling them all to keep their mouths shut or else.

Then you have cousin Joe. It's not out of the realm of possibility that crazy Joe (their words, not mine) is the culprit in this whole mess. Afterall, Misty and Chelsea have been throwing him into the mix for some time now. Yeah... sidetracking here, Chelsea seems to throw herself into this mess at the strangest of times, doesn't she? Just how did that van parked at Chelsea's, with the wheels turned a certain way, get from her house to Ron's? Or hey, was it ever really at Ron's house? Wasn't Misty driving it that day? How did it get back to Chelsea's? Then how did Misty get from Chelsea's to Ron's? But wait, Misty was left with the Altima that night, according to a neighbor. Is the blue van a red herring? Okay, forget the blue van. LE had it for some time and released it, if that tells us anything. What it tells us, I'm not sure, I'm just confused by all the switching of vehicles in this case and imo, that's RasinCharlie's expertise anyway.

Onward, if Joe did this unspeakable act that caused Haleigh's demise, why would Ron protect him? I call it protecting Joe when Ron states there was no fight with this cousin and this cousin wasn't at the house. At the very least, Ron certainly wasn't pointing LE in Joe's direction to my knowledge. Just maybe Ron liked having something over on Joe. Yeah, it's pretty dispicable, but we can't think logically or rationally here. I wonder why Misty went to Tennessee? I wonder if Misty picked up any sort of payoff (be it drugs or guns) from cousin Joe for someone?

The possibilities in this whole sordid mess seem endless. I don't care if I'm right or wrong about this case. Puzzles intrigue me and this is the puzzle that keeps on giving. I would imagine that there will be plenty of straw hats for us all to eat when this is said and done. Either that, or we will all starve to death because this case may never truly be solved.

Whatever happened to Haleigh, one thing is certain, she was failed by many and most certainly by those who knew her best. It is my hope that the future will hold brighter things for Junior and that the families on all sides of these two children have learned some very valuable lessons. Children are precious cargo and need to be treated as such.

I have had a problem as to WHY LE has not implicated Ronald Cummings for about 14 months now, so you are not alone.. Also, I have never thought the incident was intentional although I do believe Haleigh is deceased due to her father's out of control insane actions towards Misty..
In reference to Tommy and Misty, when you make a choice to withhold information and lie about what happened in reference to a missing/ deceased child instead of telling the truth as to what really happened from the beginning, they are both smart enough to know they are in deep trouble..Where their logic was that afternoon/evening God ONLY knows...For certain they made a bad decision.. So IMHO that is WHY they have both continued to tell so many lies...
I do pray Jr. has a better life too, and will someday be able to work through all of this, however I'm not convinced any of the Cummings have learned a valuable lesson..IMHO I will have some hope for them IF and WHEN someone in that family comes forward and tells the truth...JMO
 
Any theory should explain this.

Misty and Chelsea say they searched the property and found the gun in the culvert.


Ron says he went to the ditch and found the gun and got it out of the culvert and took it home and cleaned it up.

starts at the 1:30 mark or so.


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It is a major discrepancy in an important part of the case. Someone is lying.
 
I understand the fact that if charges are dismissed, they are not on a person's record. I had forgotten about the concealed weapon permit RC was able to get and this really bugs me ALOT. I know the law is the law and all that but something about this just seems so wrong.

I don't think it is different in Florida but everything is on the record except juvenile crimes. The rap sheet contains convicted and dismissed charges, thank goodness, all arrests are in it This helps the people like LE and Prison staff know exactly what they are dealing with. If an inmate has a charge for assault with a knife and it was dismissed, at least they know what he is capable of doing.

The court, of course, can't use any dismissed charges against the person though, but the judge can read them.
 
Any theory should explain this.

Misty and Chelsea say they searched the property and found the gun in the culvert.


Ron says he went to the ditch and found the gun and got it out of the culvert and took it home and cleaned it up.

starts at the 1:30 mark or so.


http://www.🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬.net/indepth/Haleigh/WS_30002.WMA

It is a major discrepancy in an important part of the case. Someone is lying.

I'm geting alot of static and can't understand what is being said..Anyone else experiencing the same?

Also cousin Jo's attorney stated he would not discuss the gun because its part of the investigation, so I suspect they are all lying about the gun...JMO
 
I have to admit I am in awe of the work that happens over in the Astro forum. Many cases they have worked on have turned out to be exactly what happened.

So, I was wondering if anyone has a theory to support the astro's charts.
Better yet, lets make one up, Croslins and Cummings do it - so can we :)
Please look at the chart becasue there is alot info in them, I only posted a bit.

The Truth of the Matter - Part 1 Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Forensic Astrology - Haleigh Cummings #1
the Truth, the answer to the question is Yes, Misty told the Truth, at least in essence. In other words, her basic story of putting the child to bed and later discovering her missing is true.

The Truth of the Matter - Part 2 Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Forensic Astrology - Haleigh Cummings #1
The Truth of the Matter is that this child was abducted (PLUTO) and likely raped and killed.The Perp: This again suggests a "friend" of the family and/or someone who has been in the home previously (or knows well its layout) or who is familiar with the family, knows a young girl lives there, etc. On the other hand, the 11th House in the natural wheel is Aquarius, with Lord 11 URANUS often given to perverts.

Someone please tell me if I posted something wrong, I do not want another time out - thanks!
 
Something is off with the gun story. I didn't know that misty had chelsea backing her story up. These two again...chelsea protected misty when she got in trouble with Amber's mother also.

I need to clean up this cobra tape, doc. Do we have a transcript of what rc said about the gun?

His custody concerns were again obvious, as they always are and is every interview I can recall and he is the one basically that brings the subject up..if not he elaborates on the issue I get the impression he wants the public to consider Crystal, at least, as one of the perps.
 
CC, TiC, Nay Nay, DS (boyfriend) and WBG are on my mind latley.

Something is off with the gun story. I didn't know that misty had chelsea backing her story up. These two again...chelsea protected misty when she got in trouble with Amber's mother also.

I need to clean up this cobra tape, doc. Do we have a transcript of what rc said about the gun?

His custody concerns were again obvious, as they always are and is every interview I can recall and he is the one basically that brings the subject up..if not he elaborates on the issue I get the impression he wants the public to consider Crystal, at least, as one of the perps.
 
Doc, why does every single fact we have, have a totally opposite side? Frankly, I have never seen anything like this before go on as long as this has. They need some good psych people in there to deal with this. The FBI is astute at working with these types. I watched them with the Anthonys and LMAO.

I once worked with a psychologist who did groups with very mentally ill people.. He had a way of working with them that was so bizarre but I kinda got the point. He beleived the only way to reach them is to be more crazy then they. It works. They look at you and can see this is not working ike it should, it confuses and dazzles them and they become sane for a few moments.

Everything LE has done so far is predictable. These people know what to do with that. All the players involved appear to have severe personality disorders and a few seem to be walking around with Axis I's, though not psychotic. JO is not among this group I am referring to as I get the impression that there is something seriously wrong but need to have more information.

I want to know the real story about the gun and why rc distants himself from JO. He is not distancing himself in the cobra tape though....as far as suspicions.

The problem we have is misty. She mimics everything she hears and weaves it into a storyline that she think she knows personally. which in reality she has no idea or was never there when it happened. Some people know misty is ill and I think she has been protected her entire life by her parents, then chelsea and timmy, then rc. IMO, she is very ill and I don't think her lawyer is worried because he now knows how to defend her.

I'm going to try to listen to the tape again...*wish cobra would slow down and wish rc would learn how to announciate.*
 
As of now....I believe Haleigh was placed in the dumpster..just shortly after she expired, DUE to the dogs hitting on it....her scent...was IN the dumpster

then she was placed elsewhere...

I believe, in someone's panic...she was placed there..until..further help/better plan

The dogs hit there ...on HER scent...

How many days was it Haleigh was missing before the dogs hit on the dumpster???

My point being..Her scent could last for DAYS in there...

She may have been there very briefly....but her scent WAS THERE..the dogs hit on it..
This is JMO..and subject to change anytime...

Anyone care to comment further on the dumpster...My memory is not the greatest..Thx
 
I have to admit I am in awe of the work that happens over in the Astro forum. Many cases they have worked on have turned out to be exactly what happened.

So, I was wondering if anyone has a theory to support the astro's charts.
Better yet, lets make one up, Croslins and Cummings do it - so can we :)
Please look at the chart becasue there is alot info in them, I only posted a bit.

The Truth of the Matter - Part 1 Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Forensic Astrology - Haleigh Cummings #1
the Truth, the answer to the question is Yes, Misty told the Truth, at least in essence. In other words, her basic story of putting the child to bed and later discovering her missing is true.

The Truth of the Matter - Part 2 Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Forensic Astrology - Haleigh Cummings #1
The Truth of the Matter is that this child was abducted (PLUTO) and likely raped and killed.The Perp: This again suggests a "friend" of the family and/or someone who has been in the home previously (or knows well its layout) or who is familiar with the family, knows a young girl lives there, etc. On the other hand, the 11th House in the natural wheel is Aquarius, with Lord 11 URANUS often given to perverts.

Someone please tell me if I posted something wrong, I do not want another time out - thanks!


Personally speaking, I cannot put any stock in "charts" and I don't think LE does either. Not trying to be curt, it's just that the waters already are so muddy, I would hate to think I would sway from logic and perception to find out what has happened in "theory" to Haleigh.
 
As of now....I believe Haleigh was placed in the dumpster..just shortly after she expired, DUE to the dogs hitting on it....her scent...was IN the dumpster

then she was placed elsewhere...

I believe, in someone's panic...she was placed there..until..further help/better plan

The dogs hit there ...on HER scent...

How many days was it Haleigh was missing before the dogs hit on the dumpster???

My point being..Her scent could last for DAYS in there...

She may have been there very briefly....but her scent WAS THERE..the dogs hit on it..
This is JMO..and subject to change anytime...

Anyone care to comment further on the dumpster...My memory is not the greatest..Thx


IIRC, it was 3 weeks after her disappearance they butchered that search on the dumpster. I still to this day cannot believe how they went through that thing at night, under lights with pitchforks!

If it was her scent and she had been placed there, it would be my guess that was MC's initial pathetic attempt to get rid of the body until the other party or parties were called in. Tells me no one came in and took her.
 
The gun issue needs to be resolved.

Most of our conflicts are between misty and ron's statements.

I should write all of what rc says (which isn't much) then write all of what misty says starting from 0800 2/9/2009. I have it in my head but not on paper.

All of these players are liars...how is it possible?

:offtopic: I just reviewed again the AH interview with misty about her explaining what she did that night. She was carefree and had everything down to a science. She stated with no hesitation that she called her mother because she was scared. BUT she caught herself...and added, of course that was after rc arrived home. Definite change in voice pattern after that...totally strange.
 
Just thought of something.

What if:

Misty was so angry at Ronald she wanted to get back at him for hurting her.

She wanted to hurt him as bad as he hurt her. Now, how can someone "hurt" Ronald Cummings, well you take away his "heart". Who else would know which child Ronald had more of an attachment to? Why not Jr?

She convinces the people she was partying up with to help her out. Since they are all cracked out on drugs, they agree or some of them have reasons of their own for wanting to hurt Ronald or maybe Ronald owes them money?
So, who was she partying with?
WBG and Nay Nay? Where was Nay Nay's BF?
 
Whisperer, do we know yet where RC was on Xmas day? He supposedly went to talk to Haleigh. I thought that was a very stupid admission on the family's part.
 
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