General Theories and Motives Rehashed #1

[Concerned Papa]

After a full day of listening to these various tapes, my brain is a bit addled. Trying to follow the story lines and statements of documented liars who are in jail is a daunting challenge.

Tommy has essentially made very little sense and offered nothing by way of concrete input towards the "Joe done it" theory claimed by Granny Flo and others. Instead he speaks in cryptic metaphors that could mean anything or nothing.

Misty flatly stated to her father that she dreamed the entire set of accusations and didn't know herself if "Joe done it".

With that said, I find myself trying to comprehend if there could be some type of master plan by LE in which the "Joe done it" story is actually a ruse intended to flush out the missing pieces of this puzzle. All of the tapes and videos that have been released over the past 2 days have been from a two week period leading up to the Shell Harbor search.

I'm starting to at least consider that LE may very well have valid information that Haleigh was disposed of at the docks that were searched. However, I can't get past a couple of points relating to this situation. First, Granny Flo said Tommy called her saying "Joe done it", and 15 minutes later Misty called with the same story. How likely is that scenario? Second, on April 22nd, GGM Sykes was on the Nancy Grace Show. She was seemingly not intending to reveal that her and Teresa had conducted a search at Shell Harbor, the afternoon BEFORE LE started until Granny Flo forced her hand by stating that she had called her and told her in advance about the search.

What if the old idiom of "the guilty always return to the scene of the crime" applies in this situation by proxy? Why were they there searching for several hours, KNOWING that LE was going to be there en masse the following morning?

Just something to think about.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

More than WHY they were there papa - I wanna know WHAT did they find?

 

[faefrost]

After a full day of listening to these various tapes, my brain is a bit addled. Trying to follow the story lines and statements of documented liars who are in jail is a daunting challenge.

Tommy has essentially made very little sense and offered nothing by way of concrete input towards the "Joe done it" theory claimed by Granny Flo and others. Instead he speaks in cryptic metaphors that could mean anything or nothing.

Misty flatly stated to her father that she dreamed the entire set of accusations and didn't know herself if "Joe done it".

With that said, I find myself trying to comprehend if there could be some type of master plan by LE in which the "Joe done it" story is actually a ruse intended to flush out the missing pieces of this puzzle. All of the tapes and videos that have been released over the past 2 days have been from a two week period leading up to the Shell Harbor search.

I'm starting to at least consider that LE may very well have valid information that Haleigh was disposed of at the docks that were searched. However, I can't get past a couple of points relating to this situation. First, Granny Flo said Tommy called her saying "Joe done it", and 15 minutes later Misty called with the same story. How likely is that scenario? Second, on April 22nd, GGM Sykes was on the Nancy Grace Show. She was seemingly not intending to reveal that her and Teresa had conducted a search at Shell Harbor, the afternoon BEFORE LE started until Granny Flo forced her hand by stating that she had called her and told her in advance about the search.

What if the old idiom of "the guilty always return to the scene of the crime" applies in this situation by proxy? Why were they there searching for several hours, KNOWING that LE was going to be there en masse the following morning?

Just something to think about.

I notice with some interest that cousin Joe is the only one of this crew mentioned that LE does not currently have in jail. That right there seems sort of telling. I don't think LE has any plan or ruse involving cousin Joe. I think they all but eliminated him from their equations months ago. But they are letting the primary investigative ficus's, Tommy, Ron and above all others Misty babble away just to see what comes out next.

If you sort of listen between the lines to todays tapes you start to get the feeling of one possible truth from Misty. She did not want to be in that home mothering those kids. She wanted out, she wanted to escape. Hayleigh was one of the points of leverage Ron used to keep her there. And Hayleigh went missing right after Misty had been brought back from a 3 day "escape". Even through her lies the more she talks the more you get the idea of what was really going on there.

 

[KSH352]

Does anyone else recall the early days when Misty was never allowed to be out by herself when the media was still around? She was always accompanied by TN, GGMS or RC and many of us were questioning this.

Yep, you have just stated a true fact. She was watched all the time!

 

[suspicious1]

Yep, you have just stated a true fact. She was watched all the time!

KSH, IMO, the Cummings knew what they were doing.

 

[suspicious1]

I notice with some interest that cousin Joe is the only one of this crew mentioned that LE does not currently have in jail. That right there seems sort of telling. I don't think LE has any plan or ruse involving cousin Joe. I think they all but eliminated him from their equations months ago. But they are letting the primary investigative ficus's, Tommy, Ron and above all others Misty babble away just to see what comes out next.

If you sort of listen between the lines to todays tapes you start to get the feeling of one possible truth from Misty. She did not want to be in that home mothering those kids. She wanted out, she wanted to escape. Hayleigh was one of the points of leverage Ron used to keep her there. And Hayleigh went missing right after Misty had been brought back from a 3 day "escape". Even through her lies the more she talks the more you get the idea of what was really going on there.

BBM

I get what you are saying Faefrost but I see it a little different. The fact that Misty tried to leave time and time again, Haleigh was used as leverage because of her love for her. The Cummings knew putting Haleigh in the mix would be a sure way to get Misty back with Ron. Why??? Because they knew how much love Misty had for Haleigh. What other reason would it be? Misty may have wanted to escape or wanted out, but evidently when she was faced with the kids begging her to come back,,,she couldn't refuse. To me that says a lot about how Misty felt about those kids. And if you're suggesting that Misty did something to Haleigh so that she would no longer be used as leverage...I don't think that is the case. One child was left behind...so really Ron still would've needed a babysitter for Jr. Why do away with only one child if the issue that she had was babysitting them both? Even more so JR because as far as I know he wasn't in school..so watching him would be an all day thing. At least Haleigh would be gone several hours during the daytime because of school.

JMO though

ETA: When I think about this..I think about all the women that stayed in abusive relationships because of the kids. I've heard women say, time and time again, that if it had not been for the children they wouldn't have stayed.

 

[Wendy101]

More than WHY they were there papa - I wanna know WHAT did they find?

Or what they took...

 

[suspicious1]

Or what they took...

Zaha, I'm thinking the same thing. If Haleigh was deceased in this area, maybe the Cummings had items there marking a specific location. Maybe sentimental items connected to them personally. When they got wind of the upcoming search, they went to retrieve those items, so they would not be linked back to them.

Just a thought

 

[txsvicki]

Misty is showing in all the jail tapes that she has much bitterness and resentment towards everyone who only slightly crosses her. The only things she's saying are tidbits she's heard said about all the players so far and nothing much else. There's no compassion for anyone at all coming from that girl. Now, she shows that she has bitterness that Ron and especially his family only wanted her to babysit then had no more need of her. If this was her mindset when she went back to the trailer after being away that weekend.... I really believe that Haleigh, if dead, is very close to the trailer and if alive, was sold to someone.

 

[Wendy101]

Misty is showing in all the jail tapes that she has much bitterness and resentment towards everyone who only slightly crosses her. The only things she's saying are tidbits she's heard said about all the players so far and nothing much else. There's no compassion for anyone at all coming from that girl. Now, she shows that she has bitterness that Ron and especially his family only wanted her to babysit then had no more need of her. If this was her mindset when she went back to the trailer after being away that weekend.... I really believe that Haleigh, if dead, is very close to the trailer and if alive, was sold to someone.

Maybe now that she has had time to get off the drugs, she is seeing the truth about her relationship with Ronald.

IMO, she has/had compassion for Haleigh - why would she return to an abusive relationship for Haleigh? Crystal even said that Misty loved her children, that itself, speaks volume.

 

[jessigirl]

Maybe now that she has had time to get off the drugs, she is seeing the truth about her relationship with Ronald.

IMO, she has/had compassion for Haleigh - why would she return to an abusive relationship for Haleigh? Crystal even said that Misty loved her children, that itself, speaks volume.

Above BBM. IIRC Crystal said that her kids loved Misty. If I'm not mistaken Crystal has from the start suspected Misty and on NG verbally said so and also said that she(CS) and Ron had even had an argument about her dislike for Misty and didn't want her around them. The only reason i'm even pointing this out is because after these latest flurry of audio/video I believe it is quite possible that Misty may be MORE involved than just as a witness perhaps. And am beginning to see some major signs of a definite mental or emotional illness with possible delusions. To me this makes the possibility of a greater involvement of Misty even more likely than that just as a participant.

 

[txsvicki]

Maybe now that she has had time to get off the drugs, she is seeing the truth about her relationship with Ronald.

IMO, she has/had compassion for Haleigh - why would she return to an abusive relationship for Haleigh? Crystal even said that Misty loved her children, that itself, speaks volume.

I'm just wondering after what she said about being used. If the fighting before Haleigh went missing was about this babysitter business then it could explain the fake pregnancy test. It's been said that Misty was tired of babysitting, Misty complained about watching Haleigh on her birthday instead of being out partying, and Misty made a few odd comments to the media. I thought there might be underlying resentment when she said that if she got pinks shoes, Haleigh had to have pink shoes. Haleigh had to be like Misty. Then, Misty said she always fixed Haleigh up like a "queen" for school. Not a princess, but a queen. Then there's the report that Misty smacked Jr. in the mouth and he was at daycare while Misty was out making drug deals. I'm just not sure that little kids latching onto another kid and wanting a mamma means that Misty really loved them after only 4 months.

 

[Whisperer]

Wait a sec...on the newest tapes where Misty says rc used her, when was that said?

In the courtroom recently, didn't she lip the words, "I love you"?

 

[suspicious1]

I'm just wondering after what she said about being used. If the fighting before Haleigh went missing was about this babysitter business then it could explain the fake pregnancy test. It's been said that Misty was tired of babysitting, Misty complained about watching Haleigh on her birthday instead of being out partying, and Misty made a few odd comments to the media. I thought there might be underlying resentment when she said that if she got pinks shoes, Haleigh had to have pink shoes. Haleigh had to be like Misty. Then, Misty said she always fixed Haleigh up like a "queen" for school. Not a princess, but a queen. Then there's the report that Misty smacked Jr. in the mouth and he was at daycare while Misty was out making drug deals. I'm just not sure that little kids latching onto another kid and wanting a mamma means that Misty really loved them after only 4 months.

BBM

If what Misty say is true, about trying to leave and the kids being used as a bargaining chip for her to stay or come back, IMO, there was some love there. Apparently it worked on her, she kept going back. If she had no love for those kids, she could've easily shot that down because biologically those were not her kids. IMO, Haleigh and JR would've never been used as a bargaining chip if there was no love there. And the people that was using the kids as a bargaining chip, knew this as well. IMO, that's like, someone saying to me "if you do this for me, I'll give you a whole apple pie. My answer would quickly be a NO because I hate apple pie. But if someone came to me and said "if you do this for me, I'll give you whole chocolate chip ice cream cake"...well...I'm going to give that some thought because I really really love chocolate chip ice cream cake. LOL My point is...for someone or something to be used as a bargaining chip there has to be some love there. I really do think that she had love for Haleigh and JR.

Crystal did say that her kids love Misty...If Misty was this horrible person to them...I think Crystal would have known that considering that a mother knows her children and she was not living with them. As a mother, I can say, kids act different around people they don't like..for whatever reason. I'm quite sure Haleigh would've expressed to her mom some things that Misty was doing to her or her brother. So the fact that Crystal came out and said that her kids loved Misty...that tells me that those kids had nothing bad to say about Misty and Crystal couldn't deny that..

JMO though

 

[Emeralgem]

IMHO...Even when it became evident TN and all the Cummings were attempting to throw Misty under the bus... TN stated on NG Misty loved her grandchildren and her grandchildren loved Misty..JMO

 

[Donjeta]

Actions speak louder than words, IMO. People may talk about love till the cows come home but what I want to know is, is there any evidence of love in their actions. If you love someone do you lie lie lie when they go missing?

The jury is still out as far as I'm concerned. I think the drama of leaving and being begged to come back and agreeing because Haleigh wanted to and RC threatened to kill himself thing might be evidence of a co-dependent relationship, not necessarily love as I understand it.

 

[Baznme]

BBM

If what Misty say is true, about trying to leave and the kids being used as a bargaining chip for her to stay or come back, IMO, there was some love there. Apparently it worked on her, she kept going back. If she had no love for those kids, she could've easily shot that down because biologically those were not her kids. IMO, Haleigh and JR would've never been used as a bargaining chip if there was no love there. And the people that was using the kids as a bargaining chip, knew this as well. IMO, that's like, someone saying to me "if you do this for me, I'll give you a whole apple pie. My answer would quickly be a NO because I hate apple pie. But if someone came to me and said "if you do this for me, I'll give you whole chocolate chip ice cream cake"...well...I'm going to give that some thought because I really really love chocolate chip ice cream cake. LOL My point is...for someone or something to be used as a bargaining chip there has to be some love there. I really do think that she had love for Haleigh and JR.

Crystal did say that her kids love Misty...If Misty was this horrible person to them...I think Crystal would have known that considering that a mother knows her children and she was not living with them. As a mother, I can say, kids act different around people they don't like..for whatever reason. I'm quite sure Haleigh would've expressed to her mom some things that Misty was doing to her or her brother. So the fact that Crystal came out and said that her kids loved Misty...that tells me that those kids had nothing bad to say about Misty and Crystal couldn't deny that..

JMO though

IMO, I don't think it's as complicated as we may think. Misty loved kids. Kids know these things. I don't believe that she harmed Haleigh in any way and this is why I feel this way going by what I've seen their actions to be.

This hasn't been about Haleigh from the start. It was supposed to be, but it hasn't been. We've all been trying to put our finger on one singular person as being responsible for Haleigh's disappearance. There is one person responsible for Haleigh's demise but not for the disappearance. Two separate issues.

MC, TC, JO are part of the coverup, again, IMO. They were all doing what was necessary to keep their "catalyst" for the drugs an open door. I would even go so far as to say that TN and GGS have known all along what has really happened here knowing that RC had drug abuse issues but have been covering for RC. They have been enablers his entire life. That all being said, it is my belief that MC as the key person has been covering for RC all this time. She's in so deep with first the drugs, then the "man" and lies and deception, she can't figure out if telling the absolute truth would be better or worse than what she's already charged with. If she didn't do it, I don't know why she can't see how it couldn't get any worse for her but if she continues to withold information, well, I also can see her becoming an old woman in prison.

RC is the person that inflicted injury to Haleigh in some manner yet to be determined, again, IMO. I do however, believe it was not intentional. In the world of addiction, it's not too hard to understand why the emphasis on covering it up, for me anyway. I've seen it in my own community what these pills can do to a person. It's pathetic. After Haleigh died, whether it was later after he went to work or instantaneously, I can see him freaking out but once the drug started to wear off, that became the more important issue at hand. Once he took his next dose, his "courage" was restored. Got to have it, no matter what. I don't know the sorted details yet, but I have faith we will. The guns, pills and a knife all seem to surround the "catalyst" yet, he's the one we hear the least from. Not even an interest in finding out who Haleigh's killer is. Sometimes the truth surfaces through silence. In a nutshell, it's become about Ron, not Haleigh and for that alone, I despise that I would even feel the need to write this. He couldn't provide a decent life for this beautiful child, yet he couldn't even provide a decent burial.

IF there is any truth to Tommy's statement about seeing Haleigh in the back of the van, it's my suspicion it wasn't JO that had a knife to his throat. It was the same guy that used a knife to behead a rat and put it in Tommy's mailbox, again, IMO

 

[Emeralgem]

Actions speak louder than words, IMO. People may talk about love till the cows come home but what I want to know is, is there any evidence of love in their actions. If you love someone do you lie lie lie when they go missing?

The jury is still out as far as I'm concerned. I think the drama of leaving and being begged to come back and agreeing because Haleigh wanted to and RC threatened to kill himself thing might be evidence of a co-dependent relationship, not necessarily love as I understand it.

I totally agree.. Love is a verb, not a noun..And there is overwhelming evidence from all the players that co-dependency is run amuck in all their actions and interactions with one another...
I was basically trying to say Misty did not harm Haleigh because she was jealous of her or wanted her out of the way as some have suggested...She didn't hurt Haleigh to get back at Ronald..
I believe Misty when she stated she just wanted a better life..Problem is she wasn't /isn't equipped to make better choices in her relationships..
Granted I doubt she knows what love really is...She doesn't love herself, how is she capable of truly loving another person.. You can't give away what you don't possess within your ownself...JMO

 

[Baznme]

I totally agree.. Love is a verb, not a noun..And there is overwhelming evidence from all the players that co-dependency is run amuck in all their actions and interactions with one another...
I was basically trying to say Misty did not harm Haleigh because she was jealous of her or wanted her out of the way as some have suggested...She didn't hurt Haleigh to get back at Ronald..
I believe Misty when she stated she just wanted a better life..Problem is she wasn't /isn't equipped to make better choices in her relationships..
Granted I doubt she knows what love really is...She doesn't love herself, how is she capable of truly loving another person.. You can't give away what you don't possess within your ownself...JMO

ITA Emeralgem but.....to a 17 yr. old girl, "infatuation" can seem like love and can go a long ways in the kind of behavior we've seen here.

 

[SoSueMe]

What's going on here? According to Misty's father, lead investigator Peggy Cone goes to talk to Hank and Lisa and brings up the story about WBG, the party, the placing of Haleigh in a pond and even tells them there is proof it did happen? Fine. Whatever motives LE may have had for that move, I'm not going to question, but WAIT, we now have Tommy who agrees to testify that Joe had a dead Haleigh in the van! Let's run over there and go with that scenario and spend thousands of dollars on divers at Shell Harbor.

I'd just like to know if anyone has a theory on what LE may be doing? I'm just totally confused.