General Theories and Motives Rehashed #1

[suspicious1]

Transcript from NG aired Sept 8, 2009

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GRACE: Do you believe that law enforcement has officially cleared your client, Ronald Cummings, of anything to do with her disappearance?

SHOEMAKER: Well, it`s kind of a tough situation to say they`ve officially cleared him 100 percent. When we met with law enforcement last week, they basically said they moved him from, you know, top of the list to the bottom of the list.

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BBM
See, that's what I don't get. Here you have Ron's LAWYER saying that Ron was not totally out of the water of suspicion. If this is being said on Sept 8, 2009...and Haleigh went missing on 2/9-2/10, 2009....this tells me that from February through, at least, September RON was at the TOP of the list. What list?? List of suspects???? Why would Ron be at the TOP of the list AT ANY POINT during this investigation if he had absolutely nothing to do with it? Sooo...from his lawyers mouth we hear that Ron is moved to the bottom of the list...How many is on the list???? You know what---it don't even matter...just the fact alone that Ron is even on the list, should tell us something.

It seems like Ron's activities the day of Feb 9, 2009 didn't all pan out for him....even with a so-called air tight alibi "I was at work". If it was that clear and cut for him why is he still at the TOP of the list by September? Ron avoided LE for months and quickly got a lawyer....for a reason. If the "I was at work" alibi is air-tight, and it might be, and Ron was still at the TOP of the list...that tells me that something happened surrounding Ron's work hours, meaning BEFORE or AFTER work.


If Ron was innocent, Ron's lawyer was given the opportunity to tell the world that, but instead he told us about Ron being shuffled around on the "list". I'm sorry Ron just doesn't seem innocent to me. If we're going to believe everything else Ron's lawyer has said, then why can't we believe this???
JMO though

 

[Wendy101]

Does WBG fit into anyone's theory for the abduction or cover up of Haleigh? If so, I would liek to hear it!

 

[Lanie]

Ronald and Crystal had two children together and he never felt the need to marry her. He had another child with Amber, and never felt the need to marry her, either.
He loses a child while hooked up with Misty (the last person to see his child alive) and he decides she is the one he is finally going to marry.

That doesn't work for me.

People in traumatic circumstances can form very, very close bonds, especially if a feeling of 'us against them' is generated. So, going by my theory of what happened, Ron loved his daughter very much, losing her is by far the worst thing to ever happen to him in his entire life, and there is Misty, having his back, being there for him, etc. If she gives him a story where she is victimized in trying to protect his children, or a story where even though she couldn't save Haleigh, she did save Jr., that could go a long way with him developing strong feelings for her.

I don't think I am explaining this well. Maybe I'll try again tomorrow.

 

[Lanie]

Transcript from NG aired Sept 8, 2009

<snipped>

GRACE: Do you believe that law enforcement has officially cleared your client, Ronald Cummings, of anything to do with her disappearance?

SHOEMAKER: Well, it`s kind of a tough situation to say they`ve officially cleared him 100 percent. When we met with law enforcement last week, they basically said they moved him from, you know, top of the list to the bottom of the list.

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BBM
See, that's what I don't get. Here you have Ron's LAWYER saying that Ron was not totally out of the water of suspicion. If this is being said on Sept 8, 2009...and Haleigh went missing on 2/9-2/10, 2009....this tells me that from February through, at least, September RON was at the TOP of the list. What list?? List of suspects???? Why would Ron be at the TOP of the list AT ANY POINT during this investigation if he had absolutely nothing to do with it? Sooo...from his lawyers mouth we hear that Ron is moved to the bottom of the list...How many is on the list???? You know what---it don't even matter...just the fact alone that Ron is even on the list, should tell us something.

It seems like Ron's activities the day of Feb 9, 2009 didn't all pan out for him....even with a so-called air tight alibi "I was at work". If it was that clear and cut for him why is he still at the TOP of the list by September? Ron avoided LE for months and quickly got a lawyer....for a reason. If the "I was at work" alibi is air-tight, and it might be, and Ron was still at the TOP of the list...that tells me that something happened surrounding Ron's work hours, meaning BEFORE or AFTER work.

JMO though

I don't have the statistics, but I will look them up and post them tomorrow. When a child is missing, the statistics are pretty small it is a stranger abduction. They are pretty high for it being a parent/step-parent, and then some other relative/family friend. I would think Ron, and probably Crystal S, as well, are on the list and will be on the list until this case is solved.

 

[4Jacy]

Does WBG fit into anyone's theory for the abduction or cover up of Haleigh? If so, I would liek to hear it!

Actually, Zara, I don't think so. I believe he was only interested in Misty ( and she with him.) I don't find him to be a stellar person, however, I don't believe he harmed little Haliegh.

 

[suspicious1]

Ronald and Crystal had two children together and he never felt the need to marry her. He had another child with Amber, and never felt the need to marry her, either.
He loses a child while hooked up with Misty (the last person to see his child alive) and he decides she is the one he is finally going to marry.

That doesn't work for me.

That doesn't work for me either, Maryann. Misty was definitely not "the one". But Ron married her anyway.:waitasec:

 

[suspicious1]

I don't have the statistics, but I will look them up and post them tomorrow. When a child is missing, the statistics are pretty small it is a stranger abduction. They are pretty high for it being a parent/step-parent, and then some other relative/family friend. I would think Ron, and probably Crystal S, as well, are on the list and will be on the list until this case is solved.

But the point is up until at least September Ron was at the TOP of the list. I keep hearing people throw up Ron's alibi "I was at work" and that he was cleared very early in this case. If that was the case, why is he still at the TOP of the list by September? I'm just not getting it.:waitasec:

 

[Lanie]

But the point is up until at least September Ron was at the TOP of the list. I keep hearing people throw up Ron's alibi "I was at work" and that he was cleared very early in this case. If that was the case, why is he still at the TOP of the list by September? I'm just not getting it.:waitasec:

Well, first of all, September is when LE told the attorney Ron had been moved, it is not necessarily when he had been moved.

But, say it took them until September to move him to the bottom of the suspect list. Again, he is the custodial parent. Under the circumstances of this case, I would say he was the #2 person they were looking at. There seems to be very little in the way of truth coming from any of these people. I can see LE having to pick through all these conflicting stories and trying to put together something that works with the evidence they have. And I would like to point out, LE has way more evidence and knows way more than we do. It might have taken them until September to move him down the list, yet, they did still move him down the list, if we can take the attorney's statement at face value.

FWIW, Ron's marriage to Misty was a big factor for a long time for my feeling he was involved in this somehow. I still wouldn't stake anything on he wasn't involved, but for me, the only way I have been able to fit everything together to make sense is he wasn't involved.

 

[aoibhinn]

But the point is up until at least September Ron was at the TOP of the list. I keep hearing people throw up Ron's alibi "I was at work" and that he was cleared very early in this case. If that was the case, why is he still at the TOP of the list by September? I'm just not getting it.:waitasec:

I'd say Ron marrying Misty put him right up at the top of the list beside her. If they couldn't find another reason, that would be enough to do it.

 

[txsvicki]

Does WBG fit into anyone's theory for the abduction or cover up of Haleigh? If so, I would liek to hear it!

I've thought it really suspicious that every time Ron and Misty fussed she went straight to stay with guys that are said to be drug dealers. What if she were sent to rip off these dealers or work off a debt. Two black men are said to have visited Misty and couch bouncing also with Tommy and Joe showing up that night wanting to "borrow" the gun. Tommy stayed straight that day for some reason and who ever Jr. saw take Haleigh had pre-planned by wearing all black. I'm wondering if Tommy and/or Joe or these two black men were planning a home invasion of a big drug dealer and somehow Haleigh got hurt or taken for revenge later on in the night. Could explain Ron's behavior, the fear they say they have, and refusal to tell what really happened. I still tend to think Tommy or Misty totally responsible though, even if all this other stuff went on.

 

[gngr~snap]

I'd say Ron marrying Misty put him right up at the top of the list beside her. If they couldn't find another reason, that would be enough to do it.

Even if RC is on the bottom of any list he is still on a list! That tells me he has not been exonerated in any way!

 

[TrialAddict]

Who said two black men were at the MH that night? I know Jr is said to have said a man in black took sissy, but I haven't read or heard about two black men being there that night.

 

[suspicious1]

Even if RC is on the bottom of any list he is still on a list! That tells me he has not been exonerated in any way!

Absolutely. And if we are to believe that everyone in Haleigh's life is on the "list"...I wonder where Teresa N and GMSykes rank?:waitasec:

 

[gngr~snap]

Absolutely. And if we are to believe that everyone in Haleigh's life is on the "list"...I wonder where Teresa N and GMSyes rank?:waitasec:

it's a 3 way tie!

 

[suspicious1]

it's a 3 way tie!

I seen "3"! LOL:dance:

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Two people have more or less confessed to being present at or involved in the murder of Haleigh Cummings. These two people were known to be in the trailer (Misty) or at the trailer (Tommy) by their own words. These are the same two people we see standing at a dock that they identify as part of the crime scene. They also identify another individual, not RC, as being involved in her killing and disappearance. He denies it. LE is looking for forensic evidence. Tommy's attorney is trying to bargain for a reduced sentence for his client, which indicates that both Tommy and the attorney, at least, think he is guilty.I don't see any real room for RC on this one.

In any other case, if two people confessed and identified a third, most of us would figure the case was solved. RC is clearly not on LE's radar; if he were, LE would be keeping very quiet about other suspects.

 

[Dr. Know?]

Does WBG fit into anyone's theory for the abduction or cover up of Haleigh? If so, I would liek to hear it!

Hey Zaha, I've followed the WBG and the jail house letter of NN's forever. The group of associates arrested, their court dockets, the current arrests, plus at times listened to the scanner and read daily the scanner thread. Hopefully, with the trickle of info coming in, this could be put to rest soon. At the current rate, I don't think we are getting honest info from some players/lawyers/family yet to eliminate it. JMO

 

[debs]

Two people have more or less confessed to being present at or involved in the murder of Haleigh Cummings. These two people were known to be in the trailer (Misty) or at the trailer (Tommy) by their own words. These are the same two people we see standing at a dock that they identify as part of the crime scene. They also identify another individual, not RC, as being involved in her killing and disappearance. He denies it. LE is looking for forensic evidence. Tommy's attorney is trying to bargain for a reduced sentence for his client, which indicates that both Tommy and the attorney, at least, think he is guilty.I don't see any real room for RC on this one.

In any other case, if two people confessed and identified a third, most of us would figure the case was solved. RC is clearly not on LE's radar; if he were, LE would be keeping very quiet about other suspects.

Two people have been said to be at the trailer in the time frame that LE is looking at: GGM and "Aunt Lisa".....we have only the brief information and rather scornful description of that visit to "bring laundry" which has changed in format in the 15 months. Teresa showed up after the 911 call in record time. We know now that she was the one who asked Misty to babysit, offering to pay her. This contradicts her story about Misty coming home Sunday and staying up all night talking to Ronald about their relationship.

GGM has shown up at two significant searches: The L-pond, and Shell Harbor (this last with TN as a named person who accompanied her). Both TN and GGM have stated there was NO FIGHT with Joe. Why would GGM or TN be so defensive about Ron getting into a fight with a punk like Joe after he stole the gun?

I never heard GGM or TN say anything disparaging about the Croslin family. They seemed ecstatic to get Misty into their family fold, going so far as to have the engagement on Teresa's birthday, and using her ring for the engagement ring.

Seems to me that LE's radar might be tuned to a channel we can't get, just yet.

 

[debs]

I also think it's significant that one of GGM's few media interviews on TV was where she went head to head with Granny Flo. At no time did I hear GGM suggest that what she was hearing was horrific. She sat stoically and listened to Flo describe how she believes her grandchildren threw Haleigh into the river, tied with rope to cinder blocks. Then she says they're going to have to prove it to her, what they're saying.

But her main focus for that interview was to make sure people understood that Misty wasn't strung out, Ron was at work, and the kids had clean clothes. Here she was on a major news outlet and she doesn't even SAY Joe's name, much less allude to any Croslin being responsible for killing her great-granddaughter. She says "prove it."

 

[SoSueMe]

Coming up with yet another theory, which may be my 3rd stab at this, I'm going to take a shot at something with a little different take on this case.

Over the last year and a half, I've been told repeatedly by my own friends in LE (not in FL) and professionals in the legal field to NOT think rationally or logically when trying to figure out the players in this case.

First, in this remote, drug infested underbelly of Satsuma, FL, you have a sub-culture of drug addicts and criminals who have one code of honor amongst theives: NEVER trust LE and above all NEVER, EVER, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES tell them the truth.

Let's assume that at least some of what Tommy is now telling LE is the truth. I highly suspect that it's not the whole truth, but perhaps a close rendition. Those involved in Haleigh's death and disposal are indeed, Joe, Misty and Tommy.

How does that account for Ron's behavior and inconsistencies the past year and a half? I think Ron knew from the beginning what happened to Haleigh. The words, "...you let my daughter get stole b*tch" have so much more meaning to me now.

Ron didn't go to LE with the truth because you don't EVER tell LE the truth. You don't EVER work with LE. LE is always the enemy. But I think most of all, Ron didn't work with LE because Ron now OWNS every single one of the people involved. Ron has total control of the situation and Ron likes to be in control. Rest assured, Ron knew he could work this situation to his own advantage.

I think Ron's children were expendable and disposable to him. Ron cared about his guns, drugs and underaged girlfriends that he could control. So yeah, he was going to work this situation to his advantage.

If you work under this premise, I think most of the behavior of the players involved over the past year will fit within it, but that's only my opinion, which is subject to change with the wind in this case.