General Theories and Motives Rehashed #1

[dodie20]

My scenarios are:

1) Ron was fighting with Misty and Haleigh got in the way; Ron hit or pushed Haleigh and she suffered injuries that were not immediately apparent, i.e., "she was doing fine" that evening. Her condition took a turn for the worse probably by 9 or 10 PM. I do not think it was much later than that because I feel the cover-up and staging required some time to be accomplished effectively. If this scenario is close to what happened, it could explain Ron's fear of being implicated, which would explain his subsequent involvement in the cover-up.


Snipped for space and bolded by me.....IMO...that could be what happened and Haleigh died later in the evening....

Ron has written on his truck,,,something like...Only GOD can judge me..IMO..IF a man was innocent of causing injuries to his daughter resulting in her death...would he have that sign on his truck....IMO..No he wouldn't because he NEVER caused an injury....and would have no NEED to have GOD judge him...judge him for WHAT...judge him for being a GOOD father.??????BUT...IMO...IF a man had caused an injury that resulted in her dying...then IMO..he would be inclined to have that sign on his truck...to deflect any guilt from himself and making a statement to others...that he is "putting his judgement in the hands of GOD"...so don't judge me...

That sign on his truck has ALWAYS made me feel he is DEFIANT about his discipline/reaction.to Haleigh...IF he did cause her death...all words are in my own opinion....

yeah, but if he didn't cause Haleigh's death, & decided to stay with & support Misty, (knowing that she was involved), I could see him putting that sign on his truck.

 

[bessie]

Justus4all, your ideasabout Ron's behavior make sense. A man might also show such defiance if he believed he was responsible for his child's death but, in fact, was not.

 

[seeking truth]

Justus4all, your ideasabout Ron's behavior make sense. A man might also show such defiance if he believed he was responsible for his child's death but, in fact, was not.

Hi bessie,

Your post caught me kinda off-guard and has me intrigued, wondering what you are thinking regarding Ron.

If he were not responsible yet thought he was, are you thinking one or more people know the truth yet are allowing him to take the blame (privately)? Or, are you thinking that everyone in their circle believes him responsible but are shifting the blame in all these different directions, away from Ron? I'm having a hard time wraping my thoughts around your thoughts. :waitasec:

Thanks in advance if you want to share more.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

I always say, go back to the first story and that is where part of the truth is. Also, if you notice TN has lied since day one as well IMO and I wonder how she knew so much about where Misty was, slept, the fight with Joe and where the gun was.

Old interviews on NG. Ronald claims that Misty, Jr. and Haleigh slept in the same bed, Also claims both door were wide open, claims no fight with Joe.
Misty claims she found the pink shirt.
Two people claim that Ronald said he was 75% sure who took Haleigh.
TN claims fight with Joe took place TWO weeks prior to Haleigh going missing and the gun being found in the ditch.
Ron's sister claims that Misty and Ronald were not fighting, not that she knew of.
And a bit more...sorry for the long post.

"Snip" http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/11/ng.01.html Aired February 11, 2009



(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Haleigh`s dad, Ronald Cummings, says he was working the night shift early Tuesday morning and he came home to find his daughter missing.

CUMMINGS: Gave me a hug and a kiss (INAUDIBLE) told me she loved me, she`d see me when I got home.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s a daddy`s girl.

CUMMINGS: She wasn`t there when I got home!


GRACE: How could this little girl just vanish into thin air out of her own bed? The father, working the night shift, comes home to find his baby girl is gone. What time did you get home?


CUMMINGS: Actually, it was about 3:25, 3:27.

GRACE: OK.

CUMMINGS: And I pulled into the yard, and my girlfriend opened the front door, and I already knew something was wrong because she`s not up at this time. She told me -- I said, What are you doing up at this time? She said, Your back door`s wide open and your daughter`s gone.

GRACE: What is her description -- what scenario took place?

CUMMINGS: She got out of bed and went to use the restroom and came back to find that my daughter was not in bed with her.
GRACE: OK, what time did...

CUMMINGS: And the back door was wide open and she was -- and she was gone.

GRACE: Ronald, what time did she put Haleigh to bed?

CUMMINGS: She puts them to bed every night at 8:00 o`clock.

GRACE: At 8:00 o`clock. When she put...

CUMMINGS: And...

GRACE: When she put her to bed at 8:00 o`clock, did she also put to bed the little 4-year-old boy?
CUMMINGS: Yes, she did.
GRACE: OK. What time did she go to bed?

CUMMINGS: Approximately 10:30, 11:00.

GRACE: At 10:30, 11:00. At that time, was little Haleigh in the bed asleep with the brother?
CUMMINGS: Yes.
GRACE: And they all slept together in the same bed, correct?

CASAREZ: Yes.

GRACE: So sometime between 11:00 PM and 3:30 AM, Haleigh goes missing. Now, did she call 911?

CUMMINGS: No, she did not, not until after I was there. She tried to call me, but I was pulling in the driveway. So I asked her how come she was trying to call me, she needed to call 911. So she immediately called them then.



GRACE: Now, have you and your girlfriend both taken a polygraph, right?
CUMMINGS: Yes, I have. Passed it with flying colors. Yes, she has. Passed hers.
GRACE: And you volunteered to do that and you`ve been cooperating with police, right?

CUMMINGS: Yes. Why not? I don`t have anything to hide. I just want my daughter back. Anything that`s going to help them eliminate more people, that`s the best thing.

GRACE: Exactly. Mr. Cummings, you said the door was propped open. Describe to me what you saw when you got home.

CUMMINGS: I came in the house and immediately checked all the bedrooms, the bathroom, everywhere, just to be sure, and walked to the back door, it was wide open. As I walked out the back door, the screen door was propped open with a cinderblock.

"Snip" http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/12/ng.01.html Aired February 12, 2009

GRACE: everyone, Crystal Sheffield is joining us. She lives many miles away from the little girl but sees her on a regular basis. Ms. Sheffield, when you were first told about the circumstances of Haleigh`s disappearance, were you told she was asleep in the bed with the girlfriend/baby-sitter and the little brother?
SHEFFIELD: Yes, I was. I was told they was all three in the same bed.GRACE: You`re sure?

SHEFFIELD: I`m sure.

GRACE: Is there any doubt in your mind that they represented they were all in the same bed together?

SHEFFIELD: That`s what they said, that -- I was told they was all three in the same bed.
GRACE: And now what have you learned?

SHEFFIELD: I`ve heard that Junior was in another room, and it was just her and Haleigh in the bed. And now I`m hearing that they were both in the other room and she was in the bed by herself. Haleigh and Junior was in their own room.

GRACE: OK. Hold on, Ms. Sheffield. Rosy (ph), can you play me back that sound we just heard from the girlfriend? OK, Ms. Sheffield, please go through that with me one more time. First you thought they were all three in the bed together sleeping, waiting on the father to get home. He was at work. Then you were told what?

SHEFFIELD: At first, I was told they was all three in the same bed.

GRACE: Right.

SHEFFIELD: Then it was Junior was in the kids` room in his bed, and it was Haleigh and Misty in their bed, in the big bed.

GRACE: Yes?

SHEFFIELD: And then I heard that Haleigh and Junior were both in their room, in their own room, not Misty`s room.
GRACE: Ms. Sheffield, I know this may sound crazy to you, but let me ask you about this change in story. When you heard the second version, that Junior was in the kids` room and Haleigh and Misty were together, who told you that?

SHEFFIELD: Where did I hear it? I don`t remember where I heard it. My mind`s just...

GRACE: All right. When you heard that Haleigh and Junior were both in the children`s room, who told you that?

SHEFFIELD: Who told me that?

MARIE GRIFFIS: I don`t remember that. That`s the first story that we heard.

GRACE: Everybody, also, you`re hearing the voice of the maternal grandmother of Haleigh. That`s Marie Griffis

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NANCY GRACE February 12, 2009 http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/12/ng.01.html

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A frantic search is under way right now for Haleigh Cummings. She was last seen Monday night with her 2-year-old brother in her bedroom.

CUMMINGS: I don`t know what happened to my daughter, came up missing out of my house in the middle of the night. Besides that, no, I don`t know.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police believe someone snatched the 5-year-old from her Satsuma home. They say, at this point, everyone`s a suspect.

CUMMINGS: Yes, I have taken a polygraph. Yes, did I pass it.UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t know where she is or who has her! I just want her home!


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (Misty?): I put her to bed about 8:00 o`clock. I woke up and she was gone, and the back door was wide open! That`s the last I seen her is when I put her to bed!



UNIDENTIFIED MALE (CUMMINGS?): If you`ve done something with, her tell us where she`s at, if she`s OK, something. We just -- I want my daughter back.


CUMMINGS: I just want my daughter home safe.

We want her back. That`s all we want. We don`t want revenge. I just want my daughter back. That`s it.

JOY PURDY, WTLV: This is very interesting, Nancy.
But you were talking about the father, the father of Haleigh Cummings, his girlfriend, she was the last one to see the little girl. She told us today on camera just a few hours ago that no, Haleigh was not in the bed with her. Haleigh was actually sleeping in her own bed when she disappeared. Whether or not that bed is situated in the same room as the father`s girlfriend, we don`t know. But we have learned -- she has told us that they weren`t sleeping in the same bed, so that opens up all kinds of new questions here.

GRACE: Asking why Haleigh missed so much school, was she sick?

SHEFFIELD: I have no idea. I know she`s missed a bunch of days because he told me that if she -- I don`t remember what day it was, but he called and was talking -- I was supposed to pick them up and he said I didn`t want to take her out of school because if she missed any more school that they was going to put him in jail.

GRACE: Why was she missing so much school?

SHEFFIELD: She may have been, but honestly, I don`t know.

Mystery Evidence Recovered in Search for 5-Year-Old

Aired February 13, 2009 http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/13/ng.01.html



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police say they found items of interest during their search for the child.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We were very successful in doing the search that we wanted to do. We did discover some items of interest. I can`t go into detail as to what those items are.

I want to go back out to Crystal Cummings, Haleigh`s paternal aunt and Ronald`s sister. You had mentioned to one of our NANCY GRACE staff that you wanted to speak for Misty.

CRYSTAL CUMMINGS: Yes, I do.

CRYSTAL CUMMINGS: I would like to say that Misty is very responsible, and even though she`s 17, that`s not that young. I know plenty of people that would leave their children with a 17-year-old. And she loves them children, and they love her just as much.

CRYSTAL CUMMINGS: Misty wouldn`t do anything -- I`m sorry. I know she wouldn`t do anything to hurt them.
CRYSTAL CUMMINGS: Her favorite color is purple and pink. She does have a camera that she got for Christmas. That`s probably her favorite toy.

BROOKS: Now, do you know if they have any neighbors or if they had any enemies at all?
CRYSTAL CUMMINGS: Not that I know of.

BROOKS: Had they had any disputes recently with anyone? Had Ronald had any run-ins with someone, or Misty?
CRYSTAL CUMMINGS: Not that I know of.


(VIDEO CLIP)

R. CUMMINGS: I know what happened, my daughter came up missing out of my house in the middle of the night. Beside that, no, I don`t know.
R. CUMMINGS: Somebody stole my child out of my bed. I come home from my work and my child was not there.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

Police Pursue New Leads, Misty not home, LE has found pink shirt!

Aired February 17, 2009 http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/17/ng.01.html

WJXT reports Misty was not -- repeat, not -- sleeping in the home with the children when little Haleigh disappears, A bed she was reportedly sharing with the girlfriend/baby-sitter and her 4-year-old little brother. Where was she? What was the scenario that night? After claiming she passed not one but two polygraphs, the girlfriend`s apparent lie at the least costing police invaluable hours in the search for Haleigh!

Police announce they have in their possession the pink shirt little Haleigh reported wearing the night she disappears.

MCKEITHEN: Well, I think we must examine the totality of the circumstances in the statement, Nancy, to find out exactly what did she say and what did she not say. Maybe there`s a simple omission of information.

GRACE: Did we ever get any clarification regarding where everybody was sleeping? Let`s say the girlfriend was home.

T.J. HART, WSKY: No, that hasn`t, as a matter of fact. And in fact, it is a topic of discussion just about anywhere you go in this part of Florida. And you know, people are discussing this story at all hours of the day and night, and it all centers on the inconsistencies of this story and the bedroom situation as to where the kids may or may have been and where Misty might or might not have been.

GRACE: Ms. Neves, Was the baby- sitter at home that night in bed with the little girl or not?

TERESA NEVES: I believe that she was. To the best of my knowledge, she was there. I had a family member there that night checking on the children, dropping off some clothes. So I know up to a point that she was definitely there. There`s no doubt in my mind that she was there, you know?

NEVES: I do believe she was at home. I believe she`s a very responsible girl. I believe -- like I say, I had family members there that night, dropping off clothes, and so I know she was there up until a point. And I don`t believe that she left after that.

GRACE: Ms. Neves, what do you make of the confusion about who was sleeping in what bed?

NEVES: I believe that`s a big misconception caused by the media. When she made the report, they were all sleeping together, and they were. They may not have been in the same bed, but they were all in the same room.


GRACE: Ms. Neves, what about the pink T-shirt she was reported to be wearing the night she goes missing by Misty? Now we find out the police have that pink T-shirt. She wasn`t wearing it.
NEVES: We still say she was wearing it when she was put in bed.

GRACE: OK. So how did it reappear?

NEVES: I cannot answer that. I was not there when someone came in and took her. I don`t know.GRACE: OK. Do you have any idea how they -- where they found the pink T-shirt?

NEVES: No, ma`am.

GRACE: OK. Ms. Neves, has anyone gone through her clothes to determine what`s missing, what she may be wearing, as a way to help find the little girl?

NEVES: That home is now considered a crime scene. No one is allowed in there.

NEVES: Misty was trying to find Haleigh herself. She was going through the house, looking, you know, through closets, their playroom, what have you. She was looking for Haleigh herself when my son came home.

NEVES: I believe that someone came in that house and took her. I believe that they either know my grandchildren and my family or Haleigh`s mother`s family, or they had to watch for a while because my son`s on the night shift.

TERESA NEVES: There is no drug history that I know of. And I would like to say that Misty has cried. The reason that Misty calls Haleigh, my daughter, my daughter, should be evident. I mean, Misty loved those children like they were her own.

NEVES: As I stated before, Misty, I believe, said that they were all sleeping together. And that was true, because they were all in the same bedroom. OK? Haleigh has a small toddler`s bed. And she was on the mattress on that toddler`s bed in the room with Misty and Junior.

Aired February 19, 2009"Snip" http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/19/ng.01.html

CALLER: did anybody check out the family for drugs in the house? GRACE:Was the family checked out for possible drug use, anything, cocaine, methamphetamine, anything?

CRYSTAL SHEFFIELD: I have no idea.

SHEFFIELD: I haven`t heard anything about it.

GRACE: OK. To T.J. what can you tell us about that?

T.J. HART: We`ve not received any information, nor I have been able to independently verify any information pertaining to drugs in the house the night of the disappearance or any time prior.

GRACE: Explain to me the circumstances under which the pink pajama top was found.

SHEFFIELD: I was down talking to Ronald, me and my cousin drove down there. She was giving my son some birthday presents and a detective was down there and Ronald called me over there and the detective told me that they had found a shirt Haleigh was wearing.
And I broke down and then I walked away and Teresa (ph) walked over to me and was talking to me and the detective walked over and he was, like, did you know -- do you know what happened?
And she was, like, yes. And he was, like, you know that we found the shirt in the house. And that bothered me. And then today I got the paper from the store and it says that Misty found the shirt in the house, I guess, by the back door in the dirty clothes pile.

GRACE: So that`s near the back door, the back door that was found propped open with a cinder block?

SHEFFIELD: Yes.

GRACE: Crystal, do you know if any other items of clothing of Haleigh`s are missing?

SHEFFIELD: I wouldn`t -- I`ve never been in that house. I wouldn`t know.

GRACE: Marie Griffis, Were you also aware that Misty Croslin was the one that found the pink T-shirt?

MARIE GRIFFIS: Not until Crystal told me she had read in the paper that Misty found it by the door. I had -- we had heard that an officer had found it. But if they found it by the backdoor in the dirty clothes then somebody evidently put Haleigh in fresh, clean clothes before they took her out of that house.

Girlfriend`s Cousin Eyed by Police in Missing Haleigh Case -Ron NO FIGHT!

Aired February 20, 2009 http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/20/ng.01.html

RONALD CUMMINGS, HALEIGH`S FATHER: There was no fight with no cousin over a gun. I don`t have any enemies.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: While Cummings denied any argument took place, Misty Croslin, says that she doesn`t trust her cousin and isn`t sure if he`s involved in Haleigh`s abduction.
CUMMINGS: I don`t have any suspicions of anybody. Anybody could have done anything. I don`t know what`s what. Obviously, if I knew what was going on, I`d have my daughter.
gun later found in the ditch?

TERESA NEVES: There was a gun that was found in the ditch. There was no fight. The gun incident was two weeks before Haleigh`s disappearance.

Haleigh`s Brother Says Man in Black Took his Sister- Ron knows 75% who took Haleigh

Aired February 23, 2009 http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/23/ng.01.html
GRACE: To Crystal Sheffield, Haleigh`s mom. Why was Chad taken in again, Crystal?

SHEFFIELD: To be -- I think it was something Ronald had said to him.

GRACE: About?

SHEFFIELD: Oh, what was it...

GRIFFIS: It was actually a misunderstanding.

SHEFFIELD: It was a misunderstanding between -- it was told to my brother that Ronald said he was 75 percent sure he knew who took Haleigh. And they misunderstood it and took Chad in instead of my brother.

GRACE: I understand. So to Marie Griffis, what was the outcome of that?

GRIFFIS: I have no idea. The last we heard, the officer was going over to my son`s house to talk to him about what Ronald had told him. And Ronald`s not -- I mean, Marcus (ph) is not the only person that Ronald had this story to. We have a lady that stays up here at our tent. She`s from Pensacola, Florida. She come here when she heard this on the radio. They come straight to here to be with us. We don`t know these people. We just met them. Her name is Teresa (ph). And she went down the day she got here, which was Thursday, to Ronald`s tent. And she was off to the side talking to him, and he told her that he was 75 percent sure he knew that Misty`s cousin, Joe, took Haleigh. So the stories kind of match.
GRACE: Long story short tonight, we know that that cousin has been cleared, along with a local sex offender that was questioned several times after he broke curfew that evening.

 

[bessie]

Hi bessie,

Your post caught me kinda off-guard and has me intrigued, wondering what you are thinking regarding Ron.

If he were not responsible yet thought he was, are you thinking one or more people know the truth yet are allowing him to take the blame (privately)? Or, are you thinking that everyone in their circle believes him responsible but are shifting the blame in all these different directions, away from Ron? I'm having a hard time wraping my thoughts around your thoughts. :waitasec:

Thanks in advance if you want to share more.

I've been working on a theory that takes into account the latest revelations and provides answers for many of our questions. I haven't posted it because it's very long and I'm still working out the finer points. But I'll be glad to sketch out the main ideas.

R, M, T and J were involved in a gun-for-drugs transaction. R&M wanted drugs; Joe wanted Ron's prize gun. The deal went awry, and an altercation occurred. Joe wasn't going back to TN without that gun, and he became enraged, possibly threatening retaliation. This event occurred on or about February 9th.

There was trouble at 202 Green Ln on the morning of February 9th concerning Haleigh's clothes. Ron flew off the handle and hit Haleigh in the head pretty hard.

Haleigh went to school, but at some point in the day might have showed passing signs of being ill, which prompted the visit from GGS.

Later that evening, Misty was tired and irritable from the weekend. She was dehydrated and her blood sugar was all over the place. Poor little Haleigh did something to aggravate Misty. She might've wet her pants and wanted Misty to help her change. Her whining tipped the scales, and Misty beat her, maybe hit her in the head with a piece of wood, as FH stated.

Misty wasn't sure whether or not Haleigh was dead at this point, but regardless, she could not let anyone see her bruised body. She called on Tommy and Joe to take Haleigh away and threatened that she would tell Ron they were responsible if they refused. Ron would believe her because of the fight over the gun. Joe and Tommy knew Misty was conniving enough to make good on her threat, so they reluctantly agreed.

She called Ron and told him something happened to Haleigh. She had a lump in her head and complained of a headache. Then she just passed out. (Or something like that.) It must be from the blow to the head that morning. She convinced him that he'd arouse suspicions if he left work. He should stay put for now. Characteristically, Ron told her to call TN. As usual, he'd let someone else deal with his mess. Misty said she'd call him back, but she didn't. (The "argument" and the many unanswered calls)

Meanwhile, Tommy and Joe took Haleigh away. Whether they laid her by the dumpster for awhile and later retrieved her body, I'm not sure. Ultimately, I believe they put her in the St. Johns near Shell Harbor landing, and I don't know if and when Ron found out where they put her body. Misty came up with reasons why she had them do it. It was to protect Ron; she didn't want Jr. to see Haleigh; she panicked. Ron was furious, nevertheless. That is what he meant when he said his dumb gf let his daughter get stole.

At some point, TN was called, and she took Misty's story for granted because she knew Ron had hit Haleigh that morning. Without asking too many questions, she jumped into cover-up mode to protect Ron. The staging took place, and the 911 call was made.

It goes on, but this is the crux of it. Does it make any sense?

 

[gngr~snap]

MADJGNLAW~

Ron Cummings stated...
"Gave me a hug and a kiss (INAUDIBLE) told me she loved me, she`d see me when I got home."
Is it just me or does that sound like an odd statement coming from a 5 yr old... at 3 am she would be expected to be asleep...

In addition to that does anyone even know if Ron ever saw haleigh before he went to work?


GRACE: When she put her to bed at 8:00 o`clock, did she also put to bed the little 4-year-old boy?
CUMMINGS: Yes, she did.
GRACE: OK. What time did she go to bed?

CUMMINGS: Approximately 10:30, 11:00.

GRACE: At 10:30, 11:00. At that time, was little Haleigh in the bed asleep with the brother?
CUMMINGS: Yes.
GRACE: And they all slept together in the same bed, correct?

This sorta bothers me too a little... Ron was at werk! as he told 911 he didn't know anything... so why is answering these questions on Nancy instead of saying I don't know the answers I was at werk! OR You will have to ask Misty I wasn't home...

The only way he could answer with any certainty is if he was at the MH that night...

 

[krkrjx]

yeah, but if he didn't cause Haleigh's death, & decided to stay with & support Misty, (knowing that she was involved), I could see him putting that sign on his truck.

...and that may be what happened. Misty did it and Ron figured out she did it, but decided she was a keeper anyway. In short, RC might have chosen Misty over Haleigh. I find that idea absolutely disgusting, but that's how I find most things concerning RC.

It seems the easiest and most plausible explanation would be Misty was there, she was probably in a bad mood while coming off her three-day binge. Plus, she and Ron had been arguing. Misty may have been at her wits' end and not able to deal with small children. She had a short fuse that night, and when Haleigh gave her problems, she struck the child, or pushed, or kicked...

I find it difficult to accept that a father, even one with standards as low as RC's, would stand by someone who had done harm to his child. But it takes all kinds to make a world.

The problem now, imo, is that I think LE might have bungled some things in the early days of the investigation and thus did not collect some potentially valuable evidence. And of course, it's too late now. I am thinking LE knows what happened and has known for awhile, but lacks evidence to charge anyone.

 

[justus4all]

Another theory I have....IMO....Why there are so many stories and so many pointing fingers...IS....I believe there are EVEN MORE persons INVOLVED with the COVER UP..More than I thought BEFORE NOW.....After Haleigh died, ...How......still not sure???..but the chain of events ...IMO...are as follows...Haleigh died, someone took her to the dumpster..someone retrieved her from the dumpster, someone took her to the St.John's boat dock, someone ...so..sorry...did the tying her up with the yellow rope/concrete blocks..someone put her in the water...someone LATER..retrieved her...someone buried her in secret...Lots of pointing fingers and trying to save themselves...This case is a can of worms...with folks wriggling to get out of suspicion...Whether this is the case or not...right now...these are my thoughts and opinions...

 

[TobyWong*]

Another theory I have....IMO....Why there are so many stories and so many pointing fingers...IS....I believe there are EVEN MORE persons INVOLVED with the COVER UP..More than I thought BEFORE NOW.....After Haleigh died, ...How......still not sure???..but the chain of events ...IMO...are as follows...Haleigh died, someone took her to the dumpster..someone retrieved her from the dumpster, someone took her to the St.John's boat dock, someone ...so..sorry...did the tying her up with the yellow rope/concrete blocks..someone put her in the water...someone LATER..retrieved her...someone buried her in secret...Lots of pointing fingers and trying to save themselves...This case is a can of worms...with folks wriggling to get out of suspicion...Whether this is the case or not...right now...these are my thoughts and opinions...

BBM
I had not thought of that before. I've had a feeling that tommy was bamboozled into helping dispose of Haleigh's body. So when he finally gives in and spills what he knows and LE go down there and find nothing,now that fits, that another interested party went into the water and buried her eleswhere. They knew tommy would break. imo

 

[justus4all]

BBM
I had not thought of that before. I've had a feeling that tommy was bamboozled into helping dispose of Haleigh's body. So when he finally gives in and spills what he knows and LE go down there and find nothing,now that fits, that another interested party went into the water and buried her eleswhere. They knew tommy would break. imo

Yes I agree "they" knew Tommy would break...Might I add that also, EVEN IF TOMMY NEVER WOULD BREAK..."they" wanted to give Haleigh a proper burial and not leave her there underwater...

This theory also goes along with R (before his arrest)not offering INCREASED reward money, TN staying quiet and out of the news, signs of R decresing his interest in finding her, his lack of public pleas for her return...

The family IMO has already put Haleigh to rest...That could be...IMO why R and TN want to move ahead with a closure and CS does not KNOW what "they" did with Haleigh...I believe CS is ...in the dark..all just my opinion and thoughts

 

[newstome]

Somehow, it has always been Misty that is capable of hurting Haleigh or setting up something with a drug/sex type people that she allowed to hurt and take Haleigh. She is vindictive, and I see evil about her, it is just my opinion. I do not believe her to be capable of remorse, caring about anyone, unless it will benefit her, or any type of a normal response, as GGS once commented. This is not anything that can be fixed with theraphy, not a normal self centered teenager. I have just seen glimpses of something in her eyes, when she is not aware she is on camera that give me a chill.

 

[txsvicki]

None of the theories really account for why both the sister in laws are so inconsistent with their statements. Neither one seems afraid of Joe at all, but they are afraid of something. They must all somehow be involved. I'm now wondering if all 3 girls were angry at their men and went out together that night and left Ron's kids alone and the others with their dads. Maybe Tommy is the one whose telling everyone what happened to Haleigh because he was told to go check on the kids during the night. If Lindsy or Chelsea weren't home then they can't alibi their husbands.

 

[newstome]

Yes, I believe they are all involved somehow, either with or without Joe. They are all afraid of going to jail, not of Joe. All most likely into drugs together, remember Tommy and wife on tape in jail, they both wanted a Real cigarette. They knew they were being taped, I couldn't believe it! She had just graduated as a LPN, and talking like that.

 

[Donjeta]

Because the people involved in her death may have wanted to keep their hands clean.

One of my theories is that Haleigh died when TN was with her. TN then called Misty and offered to pay Misty to get her over there. Misty walked in and found Haleigh dead. Then Ron, TN and AS told Misty that she had a choice they tell LE Haleigh died on her watch or she goes with the story and they help cover it up. Then Misty got Timmy and maybe Joe involved in the cover-up by telling them they are going to pin the death on me. But TN and/or Ron were the ones who deposed of the body, the others just cleaned up so neither Misty/Timmy know enough details to tell LE the story that fit the evidence LE did have.

This would explain why everyone seems to be lying but I see two problems though. Where was Misty when she wasn't at the MH? Did nobody see her there to give her an alibi? How did Ron , TN, AS know she wouldn't have one that proved the Misty did it story was false?

The second problem is that I would expect to see more anger towards Ron, TN, AS from Misty and her relatives if they knew that she was being set up in this way. But instead it was Ronald who looked mad at the wedding, Misty was glowing.

 

[TobyWong*]

This would explain why everyone seems to be lying but I see two problems though. Where was Misty when she wasn't at the MH? Did nobody see her there to give her an alibi? How did Ron , TN, AS know she wouldn't have one that proved the Misty did it story was false?

The second problem is that I would expect to see more anger towards Ron, TN, AS from Misty and her relatives if they knew that she was being set up in this way. But instead it was Ronald who looked mad at the wedding, Misty was glowing.

As for the wedding, imo, ron was pushed into it because everyone was chirping at him about misty's age. Otherwise they"d still be married but once he realized people were not caring about it, he divorced her. Quickly, he wanted that done with. He looked pissed cause he was "pushed" and he was happy to get that marriage over with so he could still pretend to be a player.imo.
I agree with your second problem.No way would the croslins let misty take the fall for anybody (but one of them o'course) and they them selves would not fall in line behind ron and tn.
My 2 theories, whether Haleigh died at the mh or not, still include all of the croslins w/ the exception of sr. only cause he was in the hospital. Either they are directly responsible or one of them is by way of disposal after the fact but they all know what happened.

I also wanted to add. All the talk of who picked Haleigh up at the bus, when she actually got to school that am, and where they all slept was only for dcf issues. ron had been schooled as to what appropriate bed times were, 8 o'clock, as to where the kids should sleep. Who legally could be in the same bed(Under 4 can sleep in the same bed, but after that you can't have opposite sex in same bed iirc) so ron and tn wanted everyone to know ron picked her up at the bus cause it would look bad if your live in teenage girlfriend was the sole caregiver most of the time. iykwim?

 

[Spool]

Another theory I have....IMO....Why there are so many stories and so many pointing fingers...IS....I believe there are EVEN MORE persons INVOLVED with the COVER UP..More than I thought BEFORE NOW.....After Haleigh died, ...How......still not sure???..but the chain of events ...IMO...are as follows...Haleigh died, someone took her to the dumpster..someone retrieved her from the dumpster, someone took her to the St.John's boat dock, someone ...so..sorry...did the tying her up with the yellow rope/concrete blocks..someone put her in the water...someone LATER..retrieved her...someone buried her in secret...Lots of pointing fingers and trying to save themselves...This case is a can of worms...with folks wriggling to get out of suspicion...Whether this is the case or not...right now...these are my thoughts and opinions...

I heartily agree with your theory that the body was moved several times, probably to elude the dogs, and then laid to rest privately. The image of someone tying cinder blocks to the body of a five-year-old child and submerging it is beyond horrible. Yet Nanny Hollars related that on the NG show without even wincing, as though she were mentioning a dispassionate
farmer wringing a chicken's neck or disposing of newborn kittens.

Who could be so emotionally detached from Haleigh that such an act could be carried out and then behave as if nothing happened?
Who would retrieve the sunken remains and give them a proper burial and then behave as if nothing happened?

 

[TrialAddict]

Anyone know what time TN called Misty and begged her to watch the children that night?

 

[Oldsoul2]

A phone call between Misty's brothers - worth a read (it is down towards the bottom of the page)
http://edition.cnn.hu/TRANSCRIPTS/1002/15/ng.01.html

TOMMY MISTY CROSLIN: All I know is if she keeps making up all these lies, I`m not going to have nothing to do with her. It`s (EXPLETIVE DELETED) she`s trying to (EXPLETIVE DELETED) to put me in the middle of something I don`t know nothing about.

They ain`t got nothing to get you on, you can come up, dude. (INAUDIBLE)

TIMMY MISTY CROSLIN: I know but it`s just bad timing, dude, because Chelsea`s cleared of suspect, I`m not.
TOMMY MISTY CROSLIN: Oh well, you didn`t do nothing wrong, they can`t nothing to you. They can`t. They got to have proof, dude, and you didn`t do nothing anyway because they ain`t never going to be any proof
TIMMY MISTY CROSLIN: I know, but look, do you think any of this (EXPLETIVE DELETED) would have happened to you if this (EXPLETIVE DELETED) wasn`t going on in our lives about Haleigh?

TOMMY MISTY CROSLIN: No. Hell no. How long did I do stuff before that and nothing happened?

TIMMY MISTY CROSLIN: I know. That`s what I`m saying so. I just think they`re just out to get us. That`s what I mean. You know what I mean?

TOMMY MISTY CROSLIN: I know they are. But I think this time -- this time all this entrapment and stuff, they weren`t after me. They were after Misty and Ronald. I just got caught up in the middle of it because of my damn sister.

Q- Is he saing there isn't going to be any proof about HaLeigh?

He is clearly saying that he has done this before and never got caught and there will never be any proof to Timmy .....how is he so sure???

BTW where's Bert gone??? I miss your thoughts on this...

 

[1Chump]

This would explain why everyone seems to be lying but I see two problems though. Where was Misty when she wasn't at the MH? Did nobody see her there to give her an alibi? How did Ron , TN, AS know she wouldn't have one that proved the Misty did it story was false?

The second problem is that I would expect to see more anger towards Ron, TN, AS from Misty and her relatives if they knew that she was being set up in this way. But instead it was Ronald who looked mad at the wedding, Misty was glowing.

If Misty was with any of her family, they would not be as credible as TN and GGma Sykes saying she was at the MH. Without proof of where she was, LE would believe TN and GGma Sykes over anyone of her family or friends. GGma Sykes is the key in the entire story. Not only did GGma Sykes verify Ron's was not there but also that Misty was there alone with the kids.

Misty is and has been abused since childhood. Her brother even said that he wished Misty would have stayed with her last boyfriend who beat her because he was still better than Ron. Ron marrying Misty, for Misty was almost as good as winning the lottery. Misty finally had people who loved her Ron, his Mom and his Grandma. Ron was mad because Ron was forced into to keep Misty happy and to avoid statutory rape charges. IMO, if it wasn't for the potential statutory rape charges, Ron would have kept Misty happy without marrying her.

Misty's family did show anger. But until they could get her away from Ron and Ron's family, they had to fear for her. Ron is controllling and abusive. When Misty called them to get away, not only did they not get her away. GGma Sykes pushed Misty's Mom and Misty took out restraining orders against her own family. Why would someone GGma Sykes age oush a Mother away from her 17 year old daughter? Why would she get involved to that degree? Why was it so important to keep Misty there? IMO, Misty got angry and they were afraid she would finally talk. They were more afraid that Misty's family could get her to stop protecting Ron.

Ron and his family supported Misty 100% until they got arrested. What happened when Ron got arrested? It was all Misty's fault. Big bad controlling Misty took advantage of poor innocent naive Ron. TN and GGma Sykes went into protect Ron mode so quickly it tells me that was not their first time. Now that Misty was out of their control, they went after her.

 

[1Chump]

IMO, the stolen gun story is important because that may be how they got Joe and/or Tommy to help or the Croslins to keep quiet.

The gun that was found in the culvert with dirt so Ron had to clean it. Then that "clean" gun was given to LE. I think that gun had fingerprints on it, Joe's and/or Tommy's or maybe others. I think Ron was happy it was stolen because it now could be tied to someone else. I think that gun was used previously in a shooting and the perfect way to blackmail people to help.

I don't think the "clean" gun that LE has is the same stolen gun. I don't think "clean" meant the gun was cleaned because of dirt from the culvert. I think "clean" stands for "clean" never used in a shooting. I think Ron still has the gun with the fingerprints on it. I think that is why Ron originally denied that any of his guns was stolen. Because he did not have a "clean" gun to give LE in place of the gun with the fingerprints. I think somehow Ron got a clean gun so he could admit a gun was stolen.

Again, just my opinion but that gun seems to be one of the consistent stories.