General Theories and Motives Rehashed #1

[oceanblueeyes]

I've stated for what seems like forever now Ron C shot Haleigh..I don't know know just what exactly went down but have thought perhaps there was a struggle to get the gun away from Ron C resulting in her being accidentally shot...
I'm more inclined to believe they haven't turned on Ron because they helped in the cover up about what really happened and possible moved the body of a deceased child to another location until plans could be made to dispose of her remains...Stupid move on their part.. They should have called 911 immediately when they realized what had happened to Haleigh..JMO

If there was a struggle with a gun it would have to happen in the mh and would leave blood evidence behind and LE would have known a long time ago that Haleigh was mostly likely deceased rather than missing.

Everyone that gets shot with a high powered gun bleeds. Where is the blood evidence?

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Imo, if they didn't have direct involvement in her death then why would'nt they flip on ron? Helping dispose or covering up is a heck of alot less jail time than flat out murder. And just the fact that they are being looked at as THE culprit in Haleigh's disappearance, would make me think they would jump at the chance to clear their name.? I don't know. The idea that any number of the croslin clan could possibly have finger prints on the gun that was used to kill Haleigh, makes more sense to cover for ron, if he has that gun, he holds the cards.IMO yes stupid moves all around.

IMO, not a one of these characters would go to prison for Ron Cummings. Where is the logic in that knowing Ron himself is going to do at least 15 years himself in prison.

Ron Cummings is no Godfather. He cant even sell drugs without getting caught. If any of them had one thing on RC they would sing like a canary trying to save their own pathetic carcasses.

IMO

 

[debs]

If there was a struggle with a gun it would have to happen in the mh and would leave blood evidence behind and LE would have known a long time ago that Haleigh was mostly likely deceased rather than missing.

Everyone that gets shot with a high powered gun bleeds. Where is the blood evidence?

IMO

Why would it have to? Why couldn't there have been a theft of the gun, Ron finding out, then Ron finding out where whoever took it was, and confronting them where they are? Seems as easily likely a theory.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Why would it have to? Why couldn't there have been a theft of the gun, Ron finding out, then Ron finding out where whoever took it was, and confronting them where they are? Seems as easily likely a theory.

And if he didn't get off until 3 am in the morning and worked his entire shift then how does that fit with your theory?

I don't believe Haleigh was shot. IMO, she was most likely smothered or strangled and that is why there was no evidence of foul play in the home.

IMO

 

[suspicious1]

The mention of Timmy waking up came from the audios in the Parking lot. It was a conversation that Ronald was having with Cobra. That is were the Timmy woke up at 1AM came from. I think this audio is in the PL.

Thanks, MAD...I knew I heard something like that. I couldn't remember. Wouldn't it be something if Ron was driving the blue van that night???

Not that I believe that,,just a thought

 

[Emeralgem]

I highly suspect blood evidence would have been found at Hank Sr. and Lisa's home...To my knowledge the Croslin home on Magnolia wasn't searched by LE for any evidence...JMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I highly suspect blood evidence would have been found at Hank Sr. and Lisa's home...To my knowledge the Croslin home on Magnolia wasn't searched by LE for any evidence...JMO

When was Ron supposed to have done this?

Why would he get his kids up and take them over there? Why not just leave them with Misty and tell her to stay put and he would be back? Why would Jr say a man in black took his sissy?

IMO

 

[grandmaj]

When was Ron supposed to have done this?

Why would he get his kids up and take them over there? Why not just leave them with Misty and tell her to stay put and he would be back? Why would Jr say a man in black took his sissy?

IMO

BBM Even Ronald doesn't believe that any man in black stole Haleigh. He blamed Crystal for making that story up.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/29674827/

snip:

Both Misty and Ron Cummings also said that reports that Ron Jr. said he saw a man dressed in black are not true. Ron Cummings accused Haleigh’s mother, Crystal Sheffield, of making that story up.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

BBM Even Ronald doesn't believe that any man in black stole Haleigh. He blamed Crystal for making that story up.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/29674827/

snip:

Both Misty and Ron Cummings also said that reports that Ron Jr. said he saw a man dressed in black are not true. Ron Cummings accused Haleigh’s mother, Crystal Sheffield, of making that story up.

I think what he didnt believe is when Crystal embellished each time from a man in black took sissy to a black man in black took sissy.etc.

IMO

 

[grandmaj]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/17/ijvm.01.html


Another link. Ron's words. Not someone else stating what he said. His words except this time when pressed he said "I was at work"

snip:

MEREDITH VIEIRA, CO-HOST, NBC`S "THE TODAY SHOW": Your 4-year-old son, and the fact that he said that somebody, a man dressed in black, had taken Haleigh out of the trailer that night she disappeared. Did she tell that to either one of you? Misty, you were there at the time. Did he say anything to you at the time?

MISTY CROSLIN, WIFE OF RON CUMMINGS: No.

VIEIRA: Nothing?

CUMMINGS: Me either. I think this is some of the garbage that Geraldo and Crystal, the mother, has made up. But I`m just going to leave that at that.

VIEIRA: So you don`t even believe that Ronald Jr. said this at all?

CUMMINGS: I don`t know. I wasn`t at home; I was at work.

It is my belief if Junior saw a man in black Ronald would want that investigated. Instead he blames people for making it up or gives his blanket excuse. I was at work. He is siding with Misty on this. I have to question why Ron would be so adamant that this story is made up if it would have helped find Haleigh. MOO

 

[lonetraveler]

1- Ron states he picked haleigh up from the bus stop.

2- TN states she picked haleigh up from the bus stop.

GRACE: We know for a fact, Miss Neves, that she was at school the day that she went missing.
NEVES: Yes, ma`am, she was. I picked her up from the bus stop.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/17/ng.01.html

3- "Bus stop parents, Santos and Mullis, and another grandfather who is a regular but asked to remain nameless, insist it was Misty who picked up Haleigh the last day she went to school—not Ronald."
"we meet a mother who was there to pick up her children–and who says she was shocked to see Misty, then Croslin, now Cummings, “smack” a little boy in her car as she waited for Haleigh to get off the bus."
as reported by another mesage board.

SO! from the get go we have TN and RON placing themselves with Haleigh at the bus stop when it was more probable that she was with Misty!

I guess my concern is this is the 1st lie. told by TN and RON.

I guess we will have to wait and hear what the bus driver has to say about who was there to pick Haleigh up. Hopefully, we will get to hear this.

 

[doobiedoo52]

I agree we will have to wait for what the bus driver says. Santos & Mullis don't impress me as great witnesses but that is just my own opinion from some past charges. Somehow I wouldn't be surprised if the grandfather mentioned in the article is his father. Again, JMO.

 

[Justin Tyme]

BBM Even Ronald doesn't believe that any man in black stole Haleigh. He blamed Crystal for making that story up.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/29674827/

snip:

Both Misty and Ron Cummings also said that reports that Ron Jr. said he saw a man dressed in black are not true. Ron Cummings accused Haleigh’s mother, Crystal Sheffield, of making that story up.

I think that the reason RC & MC discounted this story so fast was because for one, it didn't fit into the story that they planned on weaving and secondly, they already knew what really happened and it wasn't done by a man dressed in black. IMO

 

[TrialAddict]

ummm, what does Ron being at work have to do with what, Jr may have told his mom?
I mean why would he even say "I don`t know. I wasn`t at home, I was at work. " when asked by VIEIRA: So you don`t even believe that Ronald Jr. said this at all?

Make no sense IMO

 

[Donjeta]

ummm, what does Ron being at work have to do with what, Jr may have told his mom?
I mean why would he even say "I don`t know. I wasn`t at home, I was at work. " when asked by VIEIRA: So you don`t even believe that Ronald Jr. said this at all?

Make no sense IMO

It's just his rote response that he uses whenever he wants to distance himself from the events, avoid a question or stall for time.

It never hurts to state your alibi again.

 

[Donjeta]

So, was Joe wearing black or wasn't he?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I think the motive in this case is going to be bizarre and mind boggling.

IMO, Ron went to work and got off at 3:00 pm

The people involved knew that Ron was at work and when he got off and they knew Misty was there alone with the kids.

I think Joe was pizzed over the gun incident with trying to steal Ron's gun. When he came there to retrieve it Ron had removed it all together from the home. Imo, even Misty didn't know it was no longer inside.

Joe, who is capable of stabbing his own sister over a piece of bologna, goes ballistic once again when things do not go his way. A true (something) with a violent temper who wanted to get even with Ron. Who seethed with anger and revenge. So he kills one of Ron's children because he knew there is no deeper hurt than to have something like that happen .

If his mental intuition diagnosis is revealed I think it will become known he exhibits psychopathic traits including violent tendencies.

I do think he is the one that took Haleigh's life. I don't know if Tommy was forced to go with him or if Tommy went willingly. I think Misty was there at the home when it happened and covered up for all three of them just like Tommy did. It was a three way family pact because they felt if one fell they all would go down.

I think Joe Overstreet IS the man in black.

IMO

 

[Donjeta]

Where does the information that Joe stabbed his sister over bologna come from? I've never heard that before.

Wasn't it said that RC working overtime was decided late? IIRC we had a discussion months back about Misty not answering her phone and possibly not finding out about Ronald's overtime because of it. So how did Joe find out that Ronald was going to work OT? Did RC tell Tommy that?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Where does the information that Joe stabbed his sister over bologna come from? I've never heard that before.

Wasn't it said that RC working overtime was decided late? IIRC we had a discussion months back about Misty not answering her phone and possibly not finding out about Ronald's overtime because of it. So how did Joe find out that Ronald was going to work OT? Did RC tell Tommy that?

It is in one of the tapes that were released yesterday. Sorry I cant remember which one right now.

The thing is we do not know if Ron eventually got in touch with Misty later on. LE has all those phone records though so that is a good thing. So they know imo.

Ron may have mentioned it when he contacted the Croslin home looking for Misty or it could have happened before Ron was to normally get off.

IMO

 

[Kat]

I never read this thread I apologize. I still didn't when I came here today.

It's not that I don't respect the theories of every single WSer here. It's just that I haven't evolved a theory yet. I want to do that independently JMHO.

I have been thinking about this for a while. But I do have a theory about the type of crime that was committed against Haleigh resulting in her homicide. (I specifically used the word homicide in all it's legal definitions here).

The crime itself will be mundane. JMHO. IMHO it's always heinous when a child is killed, or murdered. IMHO it's just not going to be especially violent and I don't think that we will be surprised when the arrests come about. JMHO.

It's the coverup that's heinous and distracting. It's the surrounding crime activity that may or may not have to do directly with Haleigh's demise that is distracting.

After listening to some of the tapes released yesterday of phone calls of the Croslin family. (I can't speak about the Cummings because we don't have enough info on that on tape).

I wonder how many of the Croslins know what happened to Haleigh. How many are colluding to help the coverup. Not just from the night Haleigh was killed but from then to now.

To be honest, I think there is only one Croslin that knows exactly what happened to Haleigh to bring about her death. I'm not sure what to think honestly. That's what I'm thinking as of today.

Not a theory but I wanted to share.