General Theories and Motives Rehashed #1

[Skully]

I could be way off here, but this is what I think today. I think Misty was out, maybe doing a drug run or pick up and gave the kids a little something to keep them alseep. I think Ron may have suspected she wasn't home. When Misty got home, Jr was asleep but Haleigh was on the couch and clearly dead. Misty saw the condition of Haleigh's body and knew she was murdered and to top it all off, she may have died of the drugs she gave her too. Ron may have condoned her getting the kids to sleep in this matter in the past. She couldn't tell Ron she left the kids that night alone and someone came in and murdered Haleigh, so the stories began. She lied about being home and everything she did that night. She lied to Ron and told him Haleigh died of an OD of pills he left in the home. She then had to get Ron to agree to let Tommy help her dispose of Haleigh and in Misty's mind, she thought Tommy could have been the one to kill Haleigh because he messed with her when she was young. So Tommy helps with the disposal, thinking he is off the hook here, because they have to make it look like a kidnapping. The rest is history. Ron doesn't know how Haleigh died, Tommy thinks he only raped her, and she was alive when he left, and can't say anything. Joe was in town getting drugs from Ron to sell up in TN and they had a falling out over Joe stealing a gun and he can't say anything because he gets slapped with trafficking of drugs over state lines. So everybody has a secret and one has to lie on the other to save what they can of their own behind. JMO for today.

 

[1Chump]

I've stated for what seems like forever now Ron C shot Haleigh..I don't know know just what exactly went down but have thought perhaps there was a struggle to get the gun away from Ron C resulting in her being accidentally shot...
I'm more inclined to believe they haven't turned on Ron because they helped in the cover up about what really happened and possible moved the body of a deceased child to another location until plans could be made to dispose of her remains...Stupid move on their part.. They should have called 911 immediately when they realized what had happened to Haleigh..JMO

I've thought the same thing. A struggle over a gun and Haleigh accidently got shot. While we do not know what evidence they collected right after Haleigh went missing, I find it these statements by LE very interesting now.

February 16, 2009, LE said:

"We're still treating it as an abduction because, as we said early on, that brings out the highest level of response," Putnam County Sheriff's Office Chief Deputy Rick Ryan said Sunday afternoon.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18720393/detail.html


On March 4, 2009, it was reported:

"It's not a dead case or a cold case. There are all kinds of leads still coming in, and there's all kinds of information to follow up on. It will not be a cold case as long as there's investigative evidence to be followed," said Capt. Dick Schauland of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office.

He said the case has generated more than 2,300 tips.

"The piece of info that's going to come and lead us to her we haven't found it. That's all there is to it," Schauland said.

He said no one is considered a suspect or a person of interest in the case because "We don't know what the crime is. All we know is that Haleigh is missing. Let me assure you that no one is out of the mix."

On Wednesday, anyone who had been inside the Cummings' home was asked to give a DNA sample. Police called it a routine part of their investigation.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18850854/detail.html

The wording on Feb. 16 that they were "treating" Haleigh as an abduction not that she was abducted. Then March 4, 2009 saying that did not know what the crime was yet they asked anyone who had been inside the Cummings' home for DNA.

IMO, Routine is asking for fingerprints. DNA is too expensive to be used routinely. There was something found in the MH that made them beleive more happened in that house than just abducting Haleigh. By asking "anyone" for DNA, they avoided the need for a warrant which would have listed their reasons.

 

[Dion]

My original theory was that Haleigh had taken a drug (either given to her, or she took it accidentally) but now I’m wondering if that is what I want to believe, because anything else, takes me to a place where I don’t want to go.

If I go with my original theory, it would somehow involve TN, AS and most of Misty’s family cooperating in a cover up and that seems more unlikely as time goes on (the Croslins would have probably pointed the finger at the Cummings rather than JO by now).

My new theory (which admittedly, I’m not 100% sure about) is that Joe’s visit was more than just a pleasure trip. It could have been for a guns/drugs transaction with Ron being the main player.

It’s been reported that J0 and Ron got into a fight at some point during Joe’s stay, but I can’t remember what reason was given. That might be significant.

Anyway, I think something happened that night to make Joe mad at Ron – like renaging on a deal, ie,
1. Joe had given Ron drugs and in return was supposed to pick up a gun that night, but it wasn’t there. or,
2. Joe had driven down to Florida with a gun for Ron, which he had given him, and was to pick up the drugs that night, but the drugs were not forthcoming, and when he tried to get his gun back, he discovered that was also missing.

In either of the above scenarios’s Joe would have felt that Ron had ripped him off and as he couldn’t find anything of monetary value in the MH, he felt the only thing he could take as a negotiating tool, was Haleigh.

All those calls from Ron that night could have been him trying to get JO to return Haleigh. If this was true, Ron for sure, should have left work and dealt with it himself, but I think he had TN and GS on the scene and one of them would have taken Jnr and Misty would have been out trying to find JO and Haleigh.

Something must have gone horribly wrong, as JO must have realized that he couldn’t hide Haleigh anywhere, and negotiations were not going too well, and he was getting more antsy ….

Now, where the above theory starts to fall apart for me, is that if this indeed happened, then I think Ron would have left work, stormed over to Timmy and Chelsea’s place and waited for JO to return, or gone looking for him. If JO wasn’t there, he would probably have called the cops. A child’s life can’t be compared to drugs and guns, or even a possible custory battle. It doesn’t make sense that he would knowingly allow a person who he had previously been a fight with (and who he owed either drugs or guns to) to be alone out there with his daughter as a hostage.

I think a part of the above could be true, but all the pieces are not yet fitting together.

 

[justus4all]

This child's life was TOO short...

This child's life was exposed to...

Drugs, Guns, Violence .......daily

IMO...1 of these....caused her death...BECAUSE....

IF she died, in any other manner..with no foul play involved...IMO...911 would have been called...no question.....to save her little life..One of them...M, the GMA, GMS, TN...from the Turners syndrom complications, the flu, whatever.......One of them would have had the paramedics there..

IMO, something happened earlier in the day to her...because of M saying...She was playing with the other kids...AND SHE WAS DOING FINE THEN....(something like that)
THAT statement keeps coming back to me....FINE....as compared to WHAT????
AS IN... .....So....EARLIER she wasn't?????

TO COVER IT UP....(WHAT IS THE.."IT"???..)...they all played a role...they all participated in keeping it quiet...all hush hush...

SO....the BIG QUESTION IS.....................WHAT HAPPENED...That NO EFFORT...to call 911 OR taken her to the hospital was made...where she COULD BE ALIVE TODAY..

IMO the 911 call.....was STAGED....

 

[4Jacy]

Where does the information that Joe stabbed his sister over bologna come from? I've never heard that before.

Wasn't it said that RC working overtime was decided late? IIRC we had a discussion months back about Misty not answering her phone and possibly not finding out about Ronald's overtime because of it. So how did Joe find out that Ronald was going to work OT? Did RC tell Tommy that?

Donjeta, I have heard rumors about this stabbing over bologna, but have never seen a link/quote. Could someone help us out here. tia

 

[loving mom of 2]

Donjeta, I have heard rumors about this stabbing over bologna, but have never seen a link/quote. Could someone help us out here. tia

It was said on the Tapes that was released yesterday. I cant remember what # it was.

 

[doobiedoo52]

This is all just my opinion, but after listening to the new tapes, I am sure Tommy is telling his family that the whole river search was BS. He played his part and is doing what he needs to do to go home. Which means they were trying to get a reaction from someone by doing it. Was it Misty? Laying those bones out and letting her think they were human? Was it TN and GGS? They showed up there immediately. Just who were they trying to get a reaction from? Were they trying to see if someone would produce a live Haleigh instead of letting someone go to prison for murder? Were they trying to see where some players not yet arrested went to double check? I am a little more confused at this point, but I think someone who is not in jail is under their radar. AGAIN JMO!

 

[suspicious1]

This is all just my opinion, but after listening to the new tapes, I am sure Tommy is telling his family that the whole river search was BS. He played his part and is doing what he needs to do to go home. Which means they were trying to get a reaction from someone by doing it. Was it Misty? Laying those bones out and letting her think they were human? Was it TN and GGS? They showed up there immediately. Just who were they trying to get a reaction from? Were they trying to see if someone would produce a live Haleigh instead of letting someone go to prison for murder? Were they trying to see where some players not yet arrested went to double check? I am a little more confused at this point, but I think someone who is not in jail is under their radar. AGAIN JMO!

I agree with you there, Doobie. I think they were trying to get a reaction from someone not in jail. First, I found it odd that Misty wanted GMH to contact GMSykes and TN and let them know where they were going to be searching. Second, I found it odd that TN and GMSykes would actually go there and search all afternoon in those woods. How many other searches had they been too??? I'm quite sure they had advanced warning of those searches too, so why the need for them to show up at Shell Harbor. Were they there to plant evidence..I dunno...I am confused as ever!:banghead:

 

[azwriter]

I think the motive in this case is going to be bizarre and mind boggling.

IMO, Ron went to work and got off at 3:00 pm

The people involved knew that Ron was at work and when he got off and they knew Misty was there alone with the kids.

I think Joe was pizzed over the gun incident with trying to steal Ron's gun. When he came there to retrieve it Ron had removed it all together from the home. Imo, even Misty didn't know it was no longer inside.

Joe, who is capable of stabbing his own sister over a piece of bologna, goes ballistic once again when things do not go his way. A true (something) with a violent temper who wanted to get even with Ron. Who seethed with anger and revenge. So he kills one of Ron's children because he knew there is no deeper hurt than to have something like that happen .

If his mental intuition diagnosis is revealed I think it will become known he exhibits psychopathic traits including violent tendencies.

I do think he is the one that took Haleigh's life. I don't know if Tommy was forced to go with him or if Tommy went willingly. I think Misty was there at the home when it happened and covered up for all three of them just like Tommy did. It was a three way family pact because they felt if one fell they all would go down.

I think Joe Overstreet IS the man in black.

IMO

I think you mean 3 a.m.?
Joe may very well be a violent man and possibly wanted revenge on Ron why then did he only take one child? Why not take them both? I don't think in a father's eyes one child would be more valuable than the other.
And further in that act of revenge, wouldn't Joe want Ron to see with his own eyes what exactly happened to his daughter. Why hide a dead body if you're trying to get even with someone?

 

[froginTtown]

I have just finished listening to Misty'and Tommy's tapes...I have like others have changed my theory nearly every day...but I still keep feeling that my first theory fits the best...It was a drug/revenge against Ron...In the VERY beginning,and in the archive, people were trying to figure out who the out of cousin was. There was a rush to check the MS accounts before they had time to change them...Someone here found another cousins, B.O. who is now in jail in Michigan.. It was said that Chelsea had recently written him saying that she was looking for a houseand would use their tax return to help..B.O. wrote back to her and said he would be/or try to come around "tax time." Chelsea also left a phone # which came back as Tommy Croslin on Tyler.. (I'm very new to the computer so I don't know how to link, sorry) Both Joe O. and B.O are from tennesse and I think they came down together bringing something or picking something up KWIM.. B.O. and the female driver continued on to where ever from there...or maybe B.O. stayed behind.. The Croslins are linked to Michigan,as Misty's dad said he wanted to take the kids,(when they were young), back there..I think Ron was playing two sides, the dealer/informant and thought he was untouchable, being he has been uncountable for so may charges against him.. surely with the help of his mom...Anyway, him and Joe got into the arguement which made Joe leave Tommys and stay at Lisa/Hanks house (by the boat ramp). Tommy went there with his kids the days before Haleigh went missing and went fishing, thats when Joe made the comments about feeding the alligators, and probably did feed them deer, possibly tied down with cinder blocks..When Hank Sr. got hospitalized, they told Joe he couldn't stay at Lisa/Hanks house until they came back, they were mad at him cuz he stole a gun from Ron. Joe felt embarassed and humiliated when Ron confronted him infront of his family on Tyler..and Joe swore revenge..I think he went to the trailer, with back-up, (friends he had called) to ambush Ron when he got off work..but ron did overtime..They got impatient and decided to take what they could for revenge..I think they raped Misty (talk of sexual abuse) and Misty screamed at them outside as they where leaving with Haleigh around 2:00 when the neighbors reported it.. She then ran to Tommys and they began to call the police and hung up...thats why the police showed up on Tyler first..Misty thought twice about the drug dealing and admitting she was raped/had sex with the people she knew, and was threatened with death.. As for Tommy, I think he is trying to cop a deal with Mistys story..trying to get her out of a long term sentence for drugs (wanting her to go with the story) ...He thinks he will get out on a plea deal without actually saying Joe killed her (I went into the room and she was dead). Lead police to the dock and helped dispose of the body??? he denies that too.. Rons family is quick to cover his a$$ cuz they think its a drug hit..and suck up to Misty so she won't tell and dumb cover ups like the bus stop and beatings she took when Ron rolled her in a ball when he thought she was pregnant.. This is just my thoughts. My reasons.. Ron tends to intiminate everyone.. Known to ripp of dealers.. A wedding a month later... Knew Misty for 4 months..Family praises Misty..Haleigh is scared of the dark, yet Misty says she "freaked" when a light was on.. Misty's accusations of sexual abuse.. Joe staying near the dock.. The neighbors hearing a scream..Cops at Tyler after 2:00.. (Haleigh seen 1 to 1/2 before 911 call) Lots of drugs withn the families.. Lots of talk about guns...I could go on and on..actually I did.. Sorry.. I've been following this story here as a ghost, and decided to join in...I hope I did OK... JUST MY OPINION...and thoughts..

 

[justus4all]

froginTTOWN......welcome...I am new here myself...

>>>>>IMO, I believe drugs will .......definately...play a role in the child's death...

 

[cj1132]

My simple theory as of today is that RC accidentally shot Haleigh with the gun.

My complex theory is RC shot someone else with a gun, possibly CR, and Haleigh was taken in retaliation.

 

[Baznme]

My simple theory as of today is that RC accidentally shot Haleigh with the gun.

My complex theory is RC shot someone else with a gun, possibly CR, and Haleigh was taken in retaliation.

That's an interesting theory that Haleigh would be taken in retaliation. Do we know if there are any ties between RC and CR or CR and JO?

 

[4Jacy]

My simple theory as of today is that RC accidentally shot Haleigh with the gun.

My complex theory is RC shot someone else with a gun, possibly CR, and Haleigh was taken in retaliation.

Never thought of CR getting shot, good theory though. However, I don't think/feel that any gun killed Haleigh. Perhaps everything concerning a gun did kill Haleigh (the greed, theft.)

LE had to have used luminal on Ron's house, LC/HC last residence and the Croslin's home. If they had found anything, I think things would be a lot different today.

I'm still holding on to my altercation/OD theory. I've played with all the other theories, and there are so many good ones, but I just keep coming back to that one.

 

[Baznme]

Never thought of CR getting shot, good theory though. However, I don't think/feel that any gun killed Haleigh. Perhaps everything concerning a gun did kill Haleigh (the greed, theft.)

LE had to have used luminal on Ron's house, LC/HC last residence and the Croslin's home. If they had found anything, I think things would be a lot different today.

I'm still holding on to my altercation/OD theory. I've played with all the other theories, and there are so many good ones, but I just keep coming back to that one.

BBM - I have my doubts on LC/HC's last residence which IIRC is 130 Magnolia. I have a feeling that place was never checked. If it ever was, I also have my doubts that Luminol was ever used. This is PCSO we are talking about here. If the FBI had been let in, then yes, I would agree, it would have been checked. JMO

Just throwing this out here but didn't one of the neighbors around the Green Lane residence state they heard something like a car backfire during the night? Could have actually been when a gun went off. If there were any truth to that and Misty was the intended target and Haleigh was the recipient of the bullet, that would be enough to scare her "quiet".

 

[gngr~snap]

BBM - I have my doubts on LC/HC's last residence which IIRC is 130 Magnolia. I have a feeling that place was never checked. If it ever was, I also have my doubts that Luminol was ever used. This is PCSO we are talking about here. If the FBI had been let in, then yes, I would agree, it would have been checked. JMO

Just throwing this out here but didn't one of the neighbors around the Green Lane residence state they heard something like a car backfire during the night? Could have actually been when a gun went off. If there were any truth to that and Misty was the intended target and Haleigh was the recipient of the bullet, that would be enough to scare her "quiet".

BBM~
I am not being snarky.. just askin...So are we to assume that JO, Toc or TiC had plans to off her? Or was Ron trying to get rid of her... Only to marry and divorce her later? I don't think MC was ever shot at but I respect your opinion... my mind changes daily so I may be right there with you in a few days! lol

 

[Baznme]

BBM~
I am not being snarky.. just askin...So are we to assume that JO, Toc or TiC had plans to off her? Or was Ron trying to get rid of her... Only to marry and divorce her later? I don't think MC was ever shot at but I respect your opinion... my mind changes daily so I may be right there with you in a few days! lol

No, what I was intending to infer was that if there was an altercation between MC and RC whether it was before he went to work or when he came home early from work (if he did). JO and Tommy were the cleanup crew for Misty (them thinking Haleigh died on her watch), not RC's.

 

[Maryann123]

Since some think it's impossible for Ron to have left work that night for any length of time, what about this? Ron was working out back (outside) according to his co-workers. That would eliminate them hearing his phone calls. He and Misty exchange multiple phone calls, and they argue over her weekend with WBG. One hangs up on the other, and this goes on for several hours. Ron tells Misty he wants her to meet him somewhere near his work, so he can look her in the eyes and he will know if she is telling him the truth or not. (Ron has two vehicles, right?) She loads up the kids and meets Ron. (blankets are loaded up with the sleeping kids, because it's cold) He decides Misty is indeed lying to him, and he pulls out the gun to threatened Misty, and Haleigh is accidentally shot. The body is never taken back to the MH. It's disposed of then and there. Ron tells Misty to go home and stage the MH to appear to be broken into. And for Pete's sake, get rid of the drugs! When Ron finally gets home, he is tearing through the place making sure Misty has done a good job. He makes her call 911 while he scans the MH for any drug evidence. Misty didn't answer her cell phone once she returned to the MH, because she left it in the car/truck/van, and was too busy to notice it was missing. The meeting she had with Ron could have been very late. Thus the reason Ron decided to work overtime and to make a leisure stop at the store for peanuts and beer. (Misty needed time to clean the MH and Ron needed to kill time in order for her to get it all done) Perhaps, Misty had just gone out to the vehicle to retrieve her cell phone just before Ronald pulled up. The blanket story came about due to the fact that Misty had to take a sheet off the window to put on Haleigh's bed. Haleigh's blanket that she took with her in the van/truck/car was used to wrap her little body in, and now the bed needed covers for it. Obviously, they didn't have any extra sheets in the house, or Misty wouldn't have been taking sheets off the windows. She absolutely can not have Haleigh sleeping with no covers! I think this is pretty close to what could have happened. I don't think Ronald worked all night long knowing his daughter was dead. I think it happened closer to the time he normally gets off work. Maybe around the 10pm (Misty's bedtime) story she has told.

 

[Maryann123]

I want to throw in a slight change to my scenario. Because blood was involved, and I think Tommy's van was involved, I believe Ron sent Misty to get that van to dispose of the body. Misty was living with Chelsea and Timmy prior to taking up with Ron. She would have a key to their house, and would know where the car keys were normally kept. She could have gotten the van (and a tarp or some plastic) and returned to the scene to dispose of the body. Either Junior was asleep in the car, or he was with GEMS and that's the reason he doesn't know what happened. If all this took place at an earlier point in the night, maybe Misty left her cell phone in Ron's vehicle while she was running around in Tommy's van. (Ron did call Tommy around 9:30PM looking for her) And don't forget, Tommy was at the HM sometime after 10:00PM and Misty wasn't there.

 

[1Chump]

I was watching a show about Shawn Hornbeck yesterday. His parents were talking about how much guilty they felt. They regret they had. "I wish I would not have let him ride his new bike." "Why did we buy him that new bike?" Even though logically they knew they did nothing wrong. He had rode his bike many other times and came home. They still blamed themselves for letting him ride his bike that day. Just because if they had not let him, he would be safe at home wtih them.

I've heard other parents of missing chidren talk about their guilt/rgegret. I've done it in situations where I did nothing wrong, just wished something had not happened. It is normal, natural to say "If only I had" or "I wish."

That made me realize why I've been so supsicious of Ron, his Mom TN and his GGma Sykes and saw Misty as more of the fall girl to cover for Ron. I'm not talking about other possible players because I did not see them in interviews the first month or so and did not know many of them existed until recently.

I have never heard Ron talk about any guilt or regret. Just over and over "I was at work." Ron never saying he did anything wrong, he was at work makes me question him. Because the only way I can understand not speaking about guilt or regret is because you are guilty. A guilty person cannot admit any guilty, any regret, only innocence because they do not want people to see their guilty. An innocent person does not care what people think, they can and do freely express their guilt and regret because they wished they would have done something different so they would not be going thruogh this now They never even think of others seeing them as guilty because their guilt is not about what happened but what they could have done so it would never have happened.

Same thing with TN. I could be wrong. But I do not remember TN ever saying she wished she would have done anything differently. IMO, I've never heard her talk about when Misty wanted her to babysit that she wished she had. That would be a normal thing to say because if she had watched Haleigh, maybe Haleigh wouldd still be here. I could be wrong and maybe missed it. But I just don't remember and the search I did of "Teresa Neves" and "I wish, I did not find it." She did have a lot of wishes but none about before Haleigh went missing, just after. "I wish I knew what happened." "I wish they did (have a suspect.)"

I've never heard GGma Sykes state any regrets or guilt. She talks about going to the MH that night. Again, IMO it would be normal to say something like "I wished I would have stayed with those kids or taken those kids." Again, normal because if she had, maybe Haleigh would still be here.

Misty however has expressed regret:

CROSLIN: "Yes, that`s -- I just didn`t hear it. And I wish I did because I wouldn`t let no one take her.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you blaming herself?

CROSLIN: I just know, like -- I feel like that, you know, I wish that they would have took me instead of her, you know, because I could have fought. You know, she`s only 5. She can`t really do anything. And I just wish they would have took me instead of her! What do they want with a little 5-year-old?

I am not saying that Misty is completely innocent. I just always have always felt that Misty agreed or was forced to be the fall girl while the other 3 covered up and set up Ron's alibi. Becasue even though they cannot go back and change anything, it is normal to wish they could.