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I was watching a show about Shawn Hornbeck yesterday. His parents were talking about how much guilty they felt. They regret they had. "I wish I would not have let him ride his new bike." "Why did we buy him that new bike?" Even though logically they knew they did nothing wrong. He had rode his bike many other times and came home. They still blamed themselves for letting him ride his bike that day. Just because if they had not let him, he would be safe at home wtih them.

I've heard other parents of missing chidren talk about their guilt/rgegret. I've done it in situations where I did nothing wrong, just wished something had not happened. It is normal, natural to say "If only I had" or "I wish."

That made me realize why I've been so supsicious of Ron, his Mom TN and his GGma Sykes and saw Misty as more of the fall girl to cover for Ron. I'm not talking about other possible players because I did not see them in interviews the first month or so and did not know many of them existed until recently.

I have never heard Ron talk about any guilt or regret. Just over and over "I was at work." Ron never saying he did anything wrong, he was at work makes me question him. Because the only way I can understand not speaking about guilt or regret is because you are guilty. A guilty person cannot admit any guilty, any regret, only innocence because they do not want people to see their guilty. An innocent person does not care what people think, they can and do freely express their guilt and regret because they wished they would have done something different so they would not be going thruogh this now They never even think of others seeing them as guilty because their guilt is not about what happened but what they could have done so it would never have happened.

Same thing with TN. I could be wrong. But I do not remember TN ever saying she wished she would have done anything differently. IMO, I've never heard her talk about when Misty wanted her to babysit that she wished she had. That would be a normal thing to say because if she had watched Haleigh, maybe Haleigh wouldd still be here. I could be wrong and maybe missed it. But I just don't remember and the search I did of "Teresa Neves" and "I wish, I did not find it." She did have a lot of wishes but none about before Haleigh went missing, just after. "I wish I knew what happened." "I wish they did (have a suspect.)"

I've never heard GGma Sykes state any regrets or guilt. She talks about going to the MH that night. Again, IMO it would be normal to say something like "I wished I would have stayed with those kids or taken those kids." Again, normal because if she had, maybe Haleigh would still be here.

Misty however has expressed regret:

CROSLIN: "Yes, that`s -- I just didn`t hear it. And I wish I did because I wouldn`t let no one take her.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you blaming herself?

CROSLIN: I just know, like -- I feel like that, you know, I wish that they would have took me instead of her, you know, because I could have fought. You know, she`s only 5. She can`t really do anything. And I just wish they would have took me instead of her! What do they want with a little 5-year-old?

I am not saying that Misty is completely innocent. I just always have always felt that Misty agreed or was forced to be the fall girl while the other 3 covered up and set up Ron's alibi. Becasue even though they cannot go back and change anything, it is normal to wish they could.

Bolded by me.....Remember what Ron had written on his truck???? ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE ME...(something almost those words)...Would the innocent have that statement on their vehicle???,...Hmmmmm....This wording on his truck has always stayed in my mind...Would the innocent, in a child's homocide, think about God "judging them"???? ...innocent enough to display that message on their vehicle????...How many C/C families have put that message ON THEIR vehicles...????? ONLY Ron?????.....all in my own opinion...
 
Here's a few clips from today's video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJaBK6clgHk
Thank You for your hard work, Papa.

1. RON THREATENING AND ACTING OUT SUICIDE: Think of the fact (and those of us who believe these words of Misty's to be true, spoken under the severe strain of being in jail and having a little time with her Daddy)that this girl witnessed Ron putting a gun to his head. We have Tim Miller's account of Ron doing this in front of Tim (with his little boy present) as corroboration, though I don't find corroboration necessary. It's there, though.

So, we can assume that three children witnessed this at different times, Ron acting out suicide, holding an actual lethal weapon in the room with vulnerable young people under his control.

A sixteen year old girl, who turned 17 and 18 while she was with him. A four year old boy, who witnessed this after losing his sister and probably witnessed it before, as a three-year-old. HaLeigh, too, more than likely witnessed this at least once in her young lifetime. The trauma and the scars would be incredible and that alone could account for Misty's behavior since the crime against HaLeigh occurred.

THINK OF THE FEAR THAT RONALD CUMMINGS INSTILLED IN THESE VULNERABLE YOUNG PEOPLE, two of them his own precious, very young children.

2. USING HALEIGH: Ronald Cummings and his grandmother, Annette Sykes are so low that they would use an innocent five year old girl, their own flesh and blood, to lure a teenager back into this place of terror. The isolation they must have felt, those poor little children and even Misty, as she was sucked back in, probably ashamed and afraid to tell her family the brutal truth about Ron. Since grown women have trouble getting away from these kinds of situations think of a 16/17/18 year old girl, who in the midst of the abuse more than likely witnessed the death of HaLeigh at her father's hands. (This is my opinion).

The Cummings/Sykes/Neves are not above using ANYBODY if it serves whatever purpose they have in mind. Get Misty back so she will babysit those kids so the womenfolk don't have to. Also, keep Ron calm, get Misty back, use precious HaLeigh to do it.

My God, they used HaLeigh AFTER she was GONE, stating, as if what they were saying was perfectly logical and loving: HALEIGH wanted ~ "WANTED," they said, not "wants" ~ Misty and Ron to get married. So they were getting married because of THAT! In the infamous words of Granny Sykes, I say: "That's a CROCK!"

I firmly believe that these three people; Ron, Annette, and Teresa, threatened Misty and coerced her into lying about the events surrounding HaLeigh's death and the hiding of her body. I believe that they threatened Misty, and continue to threaten her and her family. Annette is calling Chelsea Croslin, mentioning Ron's lawyer beeping in on the other line getting all up into their business under the guise of being concerned. During the summer, when Misty mustered the strength and courage to call her family for help, we have Annette Sykes actually pushing Misty's mother back into her vehicle, not allowing this mother to protect her minor child and letting Misty witness what she and Ron would do to her family should she try leaving. Basically, imprisoning this child in the grips of her violent grandson and herself, both of whom she was (and is) intent on protecting.

THESE ARE MY STRONG OPINIONS, BASED UPON ALL WE HAVE HAD TO SEE AND LISTEN TO FROM THIS conscience-challenged, self-serving BUNCH, this paternal side of HaLeigh's family. Hearing young Misty talking to her Dad confirms what so many of us have believed to be close to the truth.


 
Like nearly everyone here, I have had hundreds of theories about what happened to Haleigh. I think I have come full circle. Very early on I thought this was probably a family abduction and a means of financial gain plus a good dose of revenge thrown in. In my opinion a lot has been revealed in this last tape release.

I honestly think that ToC, MC and JO know absolutely nothing about Haleigh's disappearance other than their own suspicions. Just like MC said in one of the tapes---RC and family used her - to babysit - they were tired of babysitting. I also think the timing of this "disappearance" was on purpose. Caylee was fresh in the public's mind, the name similarity, the lure of big donations to the families. MC's little binge with WBG & Nay was the deal sealer for RC. She was going to be the one who sees Haleigh last and gets all the attention thrown on her. It was IMPERATIVE that TN get MC to babysit that night--so she offers to pay, etc. GGS goes to check and make
sure she's there and no one else is at the home that evening. I don't think RC would risk fighting with Misty that night because he needs her to stay. He maybe even tells her to get the kids to bed and then take a sleeping pill or something to get a good night's rest. She may have turned off her phone so she could sleep.

I think the red pickup seen hanging around that night on the bridge was TN arriving and waiting until the coast was clear. I think RC gave her the key that MC gave back when she left. When the time was right, she went in and got Haleigh, changing her into some clothes she brought with her. She opens the back door & sets the scene. She then delivers Haleigh to someone else-- so she can go to the PP address and be there to be summoned. When I say someone else, I'm not sure who--but at this point I am NOT ruling anyone out. This gives RC his full alibi for the night because he never leaves work. It also gives them several hours to get Haleigh out of the area before anyone knows she's gone. AND it gives RC sweet revenge for MC cheating on him because she is going to be under the microscope with LE. He ends up marrying her because he's afraid she'll take off and he wants her around to enjoy her dilemma and also, if she figures things out, he thinks she won't be able to testify.

The current ToC tapes indicate that TO is working with LE to bring out the truth. He is lying with police permission 'so to speak'. He fingers JO to keep RC thinking they have no clue. The search is all a set up--just like the San Mateo search was. The FBI guy, SB, was part of the ruse as well to lend credence to the search. I think Nanny was brought into this on purpose, too, because of her "vocal tendencies". She was more than happy to call GGS to get the search word out there, not to mention all the other baloney she went on about that ToC never told her. And sure enough, GGS and TN show up there before the search. Did they plant some 'evidence' in the woods? We don't know.

As far as where Haleigh is now, I have no idea. This family has so many connections from multiple marriages and divorces, she could be anywhere. However, LE can't charge anyone for anything until they have some evidence or find the little girl. Haleigh, where are you?

Making perfectly clear this is all JUST MY OPINION
 
Thank You for your hard work, Papa.

1. RON THREATENING AND ACTING OUT SUICIDE: Think of the fact (and those of us who believe these words of Misty's to be true, spoken under the severe strain of being in jail and having a little time with her Daddy)that this girl witnessed Ron putting a gun to his head. We have Tim Miller's account of Ron doing this in front of Tim (with his little boy present) as corroboration, though I don't find corroboration necessary. It's there, though.

So, we can assume that three children witnessed this at different times, Ron acting out suicide, holding an actual lethal weapon in the room with vulnerable young people under his control.

A sixteen year old girl, who turned 17 and 18 while she was with him. A four year old boy, who witnessed this after losing his sister and probably witnessed it before, as a three-year-old. HaLeigh, too, more than likely witnessed this at least once in her young lifetime. The trauma and the scars would be incredible and that alone could account for Misty's behavior since the crime against HaLeigh occurred.

THINK OF THE FEAR THAT RONALD CUMMINGS INSTILLED IN THESE VULNERABLE YOUNG PEOPLE, two of them his own precious, very young children.

2. USING HALEIGH: Ronald Cummings and his grandmother, Annette Sykes are so low that they would use an innocent five year old girl, their own flesh and blood, to lure a teenager back into this place of terror. The isolation they must have felt, those poor little children and even Misty, as she was sucked back in, probably ashamed and afraid to tell her family the brutal truth about Ron. Since grown women have trouble getting away from these kinds of situations think of a 16/17/18 year old girl, who in the midst of the abuse more than likely witnessed the death of HaLeigh at her father's hands. (This is my opinion).

The Cummings/Sykes/Neves are not above using ANYBODY if it serves whatever purpose they have in mind. Get Misty back so she will babysit those kids so the womenfolk don't have to. Also, keep Ron calm, get Misty back, use precious HaLeigh to do it.

My God, they used HaLeigh AFTER she was GONE, stating, as if what they were saying was perfectly logical and loving: HALEIGH wanted ~ "WANTED," they said, not "wants" ~ Misty and Ron to get married. So they were getting married because of THAT! In the infamous words of Granny Sykes, I say: "That's a CROCK!"

I firmly believe that these three people; Ron, Annette, and Teresa, threatened Misty and coerced her into lying about the events surrounding HaLeigh's death and the hiding of her body. I believe that they threatened Misty, and continue to threaten her and her family. Annette is calling Chelsea Croslin, mentioning Ron's lawyer beeping in on the other line getting all up into their business under the guise of being concerned. During the summer, when Misty mustered the strength and courage to call her family for help, we have Annette Sykes actually pushing Misty's mother back into her vehicle, not allowing this mother to protect her minor child and letting Misty witness what she and Ron would do to her family should she try leaving. Basically, imprisoning this child in the grips of her violent grandson and herself, both of whom she was (and is) intent on protecting.

THESE ARE MY STRONG OPINIONS, BASED UPON ALL WE HAVE HAD TO SEE AND LISTEN TO FROM THIS conscience-challenged, self-serving BUNCH, this paternal side of HaLeigh's family. Hearing young Misty talking to her Dad confirms what so many of us have believed to be close to the truth.





That pretty much sums it up, but I want to add one more thing. Misty says Ronald was slamming her up against the wall at GGMS house, and she asked Sykes, why she didn't come to help her. Sykes claims she didn't hear anything. That is about as low down as you can get as a woman! It didn't take her long to come to Ron's defense when Geraldo had him on the ropes. I don't have a hard time believing TN and GGMS would lie for him, or lie against Misty. We have no idea what Misty may have been threatened with!
 
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I can't hardly take this case anymore.

Day one: I felt Misty didn't want Haleigh around and didn't take care of her like she should and then something happened where Haleigh died. She hid this from Ron for fear of him not wanting her anymore.

After awhile: Then I thought that she was sold or traded for drugs as a trafficking theory

Then later: As I read some good sleuthing by members here I began to feel that Ron was involved, though I couldn't ever figure out a motive. His first media "show" with the crying and all still looks fake to me. Maybe he was just doped up, I don't know.

Next: I had no idea anymore. Just tired of it all and wanting Haleigh home.

Yesterday: I was back to my first theory on Day One.

Today: I'm getting extremely frustrated, have no idea what the heck happened and will just be your moderator so I don't go ballistic and Chico puts me on a Time Out.

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Bolded by me.....Remember what Ron had written on his truck???? ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE ME...(something almost those words)...Would the innocent have that statement on their vehicle???,...Hmmmmm....This wording on his truck has always stayed in my mind...Would the innocent, in a child's homocide, think about God "judging them"???? ...innocent enough to display that message on their vehicle????...How many C/C families have put that message ON THEIR vehicles...????? ONLY Ron?????.....all in my own opinion...


That was on the back of the truck. It is even more suspicious when you look at what he has on the front of his truck.

"God Will Deliver Daddy's Lil Girl Haleigh Home."

Here is the thread with the video where explains that he does not know if God will deliver Haleigh "home to me or home to him" The video is dated March 9, 2009 so he got that on his truck less than a month after Haleigh was missing.

Did Haleigh die in the mobile home? - Page 3 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
 
That pretty much sums it up, but I want to add one more thing. Misty says Ronald was slamming her up against the wall at GGMS house, and she asked Sykes, why she didn't come to help her. Sykes claims she didn't hear anything. That is about as low down as you can get as a woman! It didn't take her long to come to Ron's defense when Geraldo had him on the ropes. I don't have a hard time believing TN and GGMS would lie for him, or lie against Misty. We have no idea what Misty may have been threatened with!
Hi, Maryann123,

So sad. I hadn't heard that about Misty being slammed against the wall by Ron and Granny having a hearing problem, like that. Gosh, wonder if she asked her Ron if he hurt Misty once Misty came to her? (sarcasm) Think of what Jr. witnessed, just since HaLeigh's disappearance. Thank God he is with his Mommy and Grandma Marie.

I agree that these women would lie for Ron, for themselves, and I'll add that, by their own words and actions, they are above NOTHING.

My OPINION.
 
That pretty much sums it up, but I want to add one more thing. Misty says Ronald was slamming her up against the wall at GGMS house, and she asked Sykes, why she didn't come to help her. Sykes claims she didn't hear anything. That is about as low down as you can get as a woman! It didn't take her long to come to Ron's defense when Geraldo had him on the ropes. I don't have a hard time believing TN and GGMS would lie for him, or lie against Misty. We have no idea what Misty may have been threatened with!

I was searching for something else and found this blog today.

Haleigh Cummings: Haleigh’s Great-Grandma Fights Back!

April 26, 2010 by Marlaina Schiavo

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2010/04/26/haleigh-cummings-haleigh’s-great-grandma-fights-back/

The great-grandmother of missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings, Annette Sykes, has had enough of Misty Croslin’s grandmother’s tales. She doesn’t really care what Flora Hollars has to say about her own grandkids, but she does not want her talking about her grandson, Haleigh’s father Ron Cummings. ...

It just made me want to scream "WHAT ABOUT HALEIGH?" Once again, GGma Sykes comes out to protect Ron when Haleigh should be the one who matters. Be angry that Gma Flo had no emotion when speculating about horrible things that may have been done to Haleigh not angry over Ron. Ron is a big boy and can protect himself. Someone needed to protect Haleigh.

But then I realized....GGma Sykes the one "credible" witness to place Haleigh alive while Ron was at work.

I actually agree with Ron the focus should be on Haleigh but she keeps getting lost in everyone trying to protect themselves and their family members and forgetting about her.
 
Seeking Truth,Maryann123 & doobiedoo.

Thank you! My thought are identical to yours.

I have a hard time getting my thoughts down properly, so thank you!

Can start a thread with this theory, it is getting hard to keep track....?

I would like to add one more thing of terror:
Ronalds reasoning for the rat in Tommy's mailbox with it's head cut off... he wanted to see how good Misty could lie.
 
I was searching for something else and found this blog today.

Haleigh Cummings: Haleigh’s Great-Grandma Fights Back!

April 26, 2010 by Marlaina Schiavo

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2010/04/26/haleigh-cummings-haleigh’s-great-grandma-fights-back/

The great-grandmother of missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings, Annette Sykes, has had enough of Misty Croslin’s grandmother’s tales. She doesn’t really care what Flora Hollars has to say about her own grandkids, but she does not want her talking about her grandson, Haleigh’s father Ron Cummings. ...

It just made me want to scream "WHAT ABOUT HALEIGH?" Once again, GGma Sykes comes out to protect Ron when Haleigh should be the one who matters. Be angry that Gma Flo had no emotion when speculating about horrible things that may have been done to Haleigh not angry over Ron. Ron is a big boy and can protect himself. Someone needed to protect Haleigh.

But then I realized....GGma Sykes the one "credible" witness to place Haleigh alive while Ron was at work.

I actually agree with Ron the focus should be on Haleigh but she keeps getting lost in everyone trying to protect themselves and their family members and forgetting about her.

Man, this woman is such a classic controller, manipulator, and abuser. Ordering people around, telling them not to talk about her grandson. Incredible.

Just makes you look more guilty, Annette! If that's possible.

My opinion
 
I think an important question is who was the babysitter if Misty did not watch the kids. Who watched the kids on Misty's 3 day binge.

I don't think it was TN or GMS.

My gut is telling me it was Crystal, Ron's sister.

I don't know why that seems so important to me but it does.
 
Papa, I think part of her control and not going off about that story is she did not want to lose her connection to GMH which gave her access to Misty. I think their phone connection is very important to Ron and his lawyer.

I also believe she knows the truth.

Just bumping now that we know Misty and Ron have been talking.
 
That made me realize why I've been so supsicious of Ron, his Mom TN and his GGma Sykes and saw Misty as more of the fall girl to cover for Ron. I'm not talking about other possible players because I did not see them in interviews the first month or so and did not know many of them existed until recently.

I have never heard Ron talk about any guilt or regret. Just over and over "I was at work." Ron never saying he did anything wrong, he was at work makes me question him. Because the only way I can understand not speaking about guilt or regret is because you are guilty. A guilty person cannot admit any guilty, any regret, only innocence because they do not want people to see their guilty. An innocent person does not care what people think, they can and do freely express their guilt and regret because they wished they would have done something different so they would not be going thruogh this now They never even think of others seeing them as guilty because their guilt is not about what happened but what they could have done so it would never have happened.
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With the exception of Misty being the fall girl, I agree with everything you've said, 1Chump. And there lies the paradox of the Haleigh Cumming's case.

If Ron was at work, then he is innocent.
If Ron is innocent, then he would express guilt.
If Ron does not express guilt, then Ron is guilty.
But then we're left with:
Ron was at work and Ron is guilty.

Further,
If Misty was asleep, then Misty is innocent.
If Misty is innocent, then Misty would tell the truth.
If Misty does not tell the truth, then Misty is not innocent.

Therefore,
Ron is guilty and Misty is guilty.
 
I am beginning to wonder if Haleigh might be still alive and living in Mexico with someone, Ron met or knows there. Didn't he take the children to Mexico when he had a visit? Or was it New Mexico? This case has me going in 10 different directions at once.
 
Some very interesting and chilling things in todays jailhouse videos between MC and her father.

Misty is talking about how much she loved the kids and everytime she would try to leave Ron and his family would she Haleigh down to LC house and have her ask Misty to "please come home Misty". Talking about how Ron was never with the kids. Everytime she tried to leave Ron he would run down and cry to her and even put a gun in his mouth saying he would kill himself. IMO Misty is talking more about Haleigh, more in this tape then she has in the whole time Haleigh has been missing. I hope the truth comes out very soon and Haleigh can be brought back to the ones that love her.

MC: I know- I would. There's just a lot of things like.. with the whole back door thing- ya know somebody had to have had a key. And Ive been thinkin a lot like lately. <I think it was you I was talking with earlier> about the whole Ronald thing. Like someobody had to have had a key- I didnt even have a key to the house. I gave my key back to Ronald when I left that week. Ya know what I mean? So I mean, there's no breaking and entering and all that stuff- it's just- I don't know.


Misty just wanted to be a mother to those kids because Ron convinced her they didn't have a mom. Misty left Ron so many times and every time she would leave he would threaten suicide [put a gun to his head]. But Misty loved the kids so much.

is anyone else seeing a motive for that child to come to harm in all of this? The clearest most obvious one. Misty felt trapped and being forced to be the motyher for Ron. She couldn't escape because of how Hayleigh was being used against her. Doesn't this sound suspiciously like another case we have been following on these boards?

And yeah cousin Joe just got his get out of jail free card in that conversation, while at the same time Hank just insurred that Misty will never ever be granted bail.
 
Does anyone else recall the early days when Misty was never allowed to be out by herself when the media was still around? She was always accompanied by TN, GGMS or RC and many of us were questioning this.
 
Does anyone else recall the early days when Misty was never allowed to be out by herself when the media was still around? She was always accompanied by TN, GGMS or RC and many of us were questioning this.

I do! I wonder why? IMO they were not worried about her incriminating herself or her family members... Wish I knew what they needed to assure was kept "under wraps"
 
Puzzle: Where's TN?

Theory: Downsizing, getting things in order, preparing for an extended vacation. TN as tipster? Talking for a deal?

Basis: We're only hearing Tommy & Misty tapes, nothing from Ron's camp, we know Misty's been chatting 3-way with Granny Flo & Ron's family and we're hearing none of it.

Also noted: My head hurts so be nice. It's just a theory. :crosseyed:
 
Puzzle: Where's TN?

Theory: Downsizing, getting things in order, preparing for an extended vacation. TN as tipster? Talking for a deal?

Basis: We're only hearing Tommy & Misty tapes, nothing from Ron's camp, we know Misty's been chatting 3-way with Granny Flo & Ron's family and we're hearing none of it.

Also noted: My head hurts so be nice. It's just a theory. :crosseyed:

Who knows? I can remember when my kids were younger, I was more concerned with what they were up to when they were quiet.
 
Been gone a couple days. What a mess of liars! Don't want to tell the truth...Fine, lets go for mandatory consecutive trafficking charges maximum.
Plus maximun $250.000 and $500,000 mandatory fines per count.

I figure they'll never get out of prison again. I know it sounds harsh but I believe video evidence will convict them.

I'm sure the SA can work out the details to avoid double jeopardy.

Let the charges begin!

BTW LE, lets start releasing more relevant info.

This tax payer demands more answers!
 
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