General Theories and Motives Rehashed #1

[elle1919]

Elle, I never stated Nay Nay took her to Shell Harbor.

Isn't that where her parents lived at that time?

 

[Emeralgem]

One must wonder if Rc picked up misty from her parents that Monday and if Joe was there( didn't Chelsea state that Joe was staying there as well?) Boy, this is confusing.

Chelsey stated on NG Jo had been staying at Hank and Lisa's until Hank was in the accident and had to be airlifted to Gainesville..He then went to stay with Timmy and Chelsey..

Chelsey also stated Jo stayed with Tommy and Lindsey when he first arrived in Florida, but left to go stay with Hank and Lisa after he and Ron had their dispute...
Ya know.. Truth is they could all be lying..JMO

 

[debs]

Chelsey stated on NG Jo had been staying at Hank and Lisa's until Hank was in the accident and had to be airlifted to Gainesville..He then went to stay with Timmy and Chelsey..

Chelsey also stated Jo stayed with Tommy and Lindsey when he first arrived in Florida, but left to go stay with Hank and Lisa after he and Ron had their dispute...
Ya know.. Truth is they could all be lying..JMO

That gets a big "NO KIDDING!"

 

[Emeralgem]

Isn't that where her parents lived at that time?

Yes, and to my knowledge we didn't really know where Hank and Lisa had lived until just recently... I know I didn't .. I always suspected the incident occurred somewhere between Satsuma and Crescent City or at Timmy's house...JMO

 

[froginTtown]

Many of Mistys comments make me think she is directly involved..especially her talking about Haleigh in the past tense..but the one that really stands out is when she said "Haleigh was fine then."

 

[oceanblueeyes]

BBM~
I have a question and this may be in the wrong thread... Mods feel free to move it because I am not sure where to put it.

I mean no disrespect to LE anywhere! However... is it true that all that is required to enter LE is a clean background and a high school diploma no college at all? All the rookies have is a highshool diploma, a gun, and several weeks of training?

Seasoned LE are a different story IMO. I just don't understand how local LE is
able to handle this case on it's own without help from a "bigger" agency. How many missing and murdered children have there been in the Satsuma/Palatka area?

If I was a family member instead of hiring a PI I would be contacting the local media and making a BIG stink! We know what Crystal has done...
Why are TN and GGMS so quite now? Have they decided to stop looking for the person responsible for harming Haleigh? Nothin to say now that RC is behind bars? WHY???
Seams to me like they are laying awfully low IMO MOO!!!!

That is pretty much the way our military is when people enlist. They go for about three months of grueling boot camp training to become proficient in their duties and go on to complete specialized training after then. Many cops have college degrees today just like the enlisted in the military.

This police force is no Mayberry USA with just Barney and Andy on duty to nab the bad guys.

From what I recall this police force on this case has around 270 on their staff. Also FLDE is assisting them and I have also read that the FBI has been involved which they usually are when it comes to a missing child.

I think both the Sheffield family and the Cummings family are waiting along with the rest of us and are hoping that the evidence found in the river will bring some type of resolution to this case.

IMO

 

[1Chump]

I asked this question very early on, right after she declared she was there. Her name is not on the report.

"I got there right after, well within 10 minutes after we found out she was gone and I had Jr. and he didn't know anything, said he was asleep."

"...she was gone......." is euphemistic, especially when one doesn't yet want to say the word "dead". It is used over and again at nearly every funeral I've ever attended, or when talking to people who have just had a loved one die. As in many of the quotes from all the people in this case, it is curious so many of them have these little insightful statements, and then back off them, masking them over.

I can't get by the March 2, 2009 article:

"While the sheriff's office released the mobile home where Haleigh disappeared back to the family earlier this week, most members of the family can't bring themselves to go inside. The missing girl's grandfather, Lester Cummings, said he went inside to get some clothes for his son, Ronald, but everybody else breaks down before they get to the porch."


http://www.wftv.com/news/18831155/detail.html

When loved ones die, most people have a hard time changing anything. I remember the day after my fiance died his sister was packing up his room. I was furious. I could not believe she was doing it so soon. I felt like she was wiping him out and I was still trying to comprehend he was gone. At the time, I did not know his parents lease was up and they had to move in less than a month. She was sparing them from having to do it.

With missing kids, I hear the parents so over and over that they want to keep things the same way they were when the child left. The want the child to come back to their home the way they left it.

Yet these people broke down before they ever got to the porch. IMO, the only reason to not be able to even go inside the house is that they know something really bad happened to Haleigh in that house and she was not coming home.

 

[Emeralgem]

Many of Mistys comments make me think she is directly involved..especially her talking about Haleigh in the past tense..but the one that really stands out is when she said "Haleigh was fine then."

And IMHO that applies to Ronald Cummings as well considering on his first plea video, just hours after she had been reported as missing he stated..
He would give his life to have his child's life back.. He also stated in that interview Haleigh was the most well mannered child he ever had...I knew on February 10, 2009 he knew his child was deceased and he was involved...JMO

 

[Wendy101]

Many of Mistys comments make me think she is directly involved..especially her talking about Haleigh in the past tense..but the one that really stands out is when she said "Haleigh was fine then."

BBM: I remember hearing this also. I can not find the video(I believe) that she said it though... I know I heard her say those exact words.....
Do you happen to have the video link?

 

[tlcya]

If I remember correctly she also flubbed up when explaining to press the reasoning behind her and RC's decision to marry and the timing thereof. I wish I wasn't at work I could find the link to the video of her making the comment to the effect of "Haleigh would of wanted it" rather than Haleigh has always wanted"

Wish I had time to find the link, but the comment suggested Haleigh was dead and then if I remember correctly, she corrected herself before finishing the sentence and tried to reword her response to something that didn't refer to Haleigh in the past tense.

This is why from day one, I have always believed MC knows what happened to Haleigh and that she has known from the start of this that Haleigh is dead.

 

[gngr~snap]

I can't get by the March 2, 2009 article:

"While the sheriff's office released the mobile home where Haleigh disappeared back to the family earlier this week, most members of the family can't bring themselves to go inside. The missing girl's grandfather, Lester Cummings, said he went inside to get some clothes for his son, Ronald, but everybody else breaks down before they get to the porch."


http://www.wftv.com/news/18831155/detail.html

When loved ones die, most people have a hard time changing anything. I remember the day after my fiance died his sister was packing up his room. I was furious. I could not believe she was doing it so soon. I felt like she was wiping him out and I was still trying to comprehend he was gone. At the time, I did not know his parents lease was up and they had to move in less than a month. She was sparing them from having to do it.

With missing kids, I hear the parents so over and over that they want to keep things the same way they were when the child left. The want the child to come back to their home the way they left it.

Yet these people broke down before they ever got to the porch. IMO, the only reason to not be able to even go inside the house is that they know something really bad happened to Haleigh in that house and she was not coming home.

BBM~
My mom's sewing room is still in my dad's basement. With all the fabric still folded on the shelves. She died 10 years ago... I love going down there. makes me feel like she's there with me :angel:
So I do agree with that.
Ron had not been living in that MH very long. It wasn't where Haleigh was born, had her first steps in etc. Not sure how attached he would have been tp the place, or any of them for that matter. IMO in this case not going inside to retrieve his personal effects does seem "off"
Especially if he was not present during Haleigh's allged demise.

 

[debs]

There is video of Ron Cummings in the MH. I'll take with that boatload of salt oceanblueeyes has what Lester Cummings says about anything.

 

[Emeralgem]

There is video of Ron Cummings in the MH. I'll take with that boatload of salt oceanblueeyes has what Lester Cummings says about anything.

There most certainly is a video of Ronald Cummings and I suspect he received money for that interivew too...
IMHO..The reason Ronald Cummings did not move back into the MH was because he feared the MH had been bugged by LE...
BTW.. Anyone remember who it was who told Misty to get off the phone with Nay Nay because the phones might be bugged...I recall hearing Nay Nay tell that story.. I knew then Nay Nay wasn't involved...I do suspect whoever told Misty that knew what had happened...People aren't worried about their houses or their phones being bugged IF they are innocent and have no knowledge of what happened...JMO

 

[lil momma]

There most certainly is a video of Ronald Cummings and I suspect he received money for that interivew too...
IMHO..The reason Ronald Cummings did not move back into the MH was because he feared the MH had been bugged by LE...
BTW.. Anyone remember who it was who told Misty to get off the phone with Nay Nay because the phones might be bugged...I recall hearing Nay Nay tell that story.. I knew then Nay Nay wasn't involved...I do suspect whoever told Misty that knew what had happened...People aren't worried about their houses or their phones being bugged IF they are innocent and have no knowledge of what happened...JMO

Hi Emeralgem!

IIRC, it was either Chelsey or Lindsay. I don't remember which one, as in the beginning i got them confused.

 

[Emma Peel]

This is just a theory I wanted to explore a little - about Misty’s memory. I thought of putting it in the "Misty actually does not remember" thread – but the poll items there do not allow for this particular reason for Misty not remembering.

I have been thinking a lot about the relationship between fear and lies. And for each player, what could be the underlying fear that forces them to protect themselves with a lie.

I have also been thinking about the dreamlike testimony that Misty's been offering all along here. The fact that her recall is dream-like/foggy casts doubt that Misty is even trying to tell the truth.

It occurred to me today - (I must be feeling less cynical today – full moon syndrome?) – that, with regard to Misty, it might help to look outside box marked "CYA - LIARS" when looking at motivation for lying. So I took a deep cleansing breath and gave it a try.

I wondered if anyone working (investigating/counseling) Misty has worked with her to consider the affect of and history of traumatic childhood sexual abuse upon Misty’s memory. As I understand it, it's not uncommon that blackouts and/or dissociation and suppressed memory follow episodes of trauma/abuse in people who have suffered abuse as a child. (There is plenty of information about this on the net.)

Basically the brain becomes very adept – almost reflex-wired to block traumatic events as they are happening – and thereby block memory of those events. It’s a self-protection/self-comforting mechanism - permitting the child to otherwise survive and function through the duration of abuse. Even as an adult, this tendency to compensate by blocking out (even blacking out), when faced with trauma can persist.

I’m sure some of these folks (investigators) working with Misty must know this is a possibility with witnesses like Misty. Victims of childhood sexual abuse talk about "going someplace else" during the actual moments when they were about to be abused, then returning to themselves when the abuse was over. Trauma victims often don’t have recollection (e.g. car accidents, beatings). And if Misty was pre-wired this way from childhood trauma … all the more reason for her to have some sort of dissociative episode with the night Haleigh went missing.

It could explain why our only witness is fine with putting herself in the mobile home when Haleigh disappears, but continues to describe what she remembers as if in a dream-like state. It also could explain Misty’s empathy for Crystal.

Misty’s reaction & expression of empathy with regard to Crystal’s suffering was quite unexpected, IMO. I felt it was genuine. It seemed to come from a calm place – and it seemed to be something it finally occurred to her to think about. We’ve not seen here show that sort of empathy to anyone else. Not Haleigh, not even Ron, as far as I know. Is this empathy is an indication of the abuse she’s endured? Does her ability to relate to Crystal does means that deep down, she “gets” Crystal – such that Misty = Crystal = a pretty good reflection of herself.

A competent psychiatrist might be able to help LE determine if some sort of dissociation is the problem with Misty’s memory. I would think that by now, they’ve had her professionally evaluated. I hope they've determined if Misty is experiencing PTSD or dissociative memory issues with regard to the night Haleigh disappeared.

It's interesting that we've never heard about psychiatrists or doctors in her phone calls, etc. – or have we?

It's interesting that TN protected Misty and worked to get her help with her memory. (Too bad Tim Miller or LP just didn't get Misty to a psychiatrist.) Perhaps TN somehow understood that Misty was suppressing memories. Perhaps TN has done the same thing herself in her own life.

It's another way of looking at Misty-mystery-memory things. Sometimes taking off the cynic's glasses lets you see a little something you might have earlier missed. And, I thought it was worth a post...

Disclaimer :innocent: - I do not claim to be a person with any expertise in this area, nor any experience personally. All I did was read a little on-line about memory issues that can accompany childhood abuse.

All JMHO

 

[krowdkat]

Very interesting thoughts, Emma. I wonder if she does have some sort of PTSD but subconciously she knows the truth and that is why she has failed so many lie detector tests but really can't remember the events of that night.

 

[justus4all]

Emma;

You might be on to something. When I was Misty's age I was married, not by parental consent, he r***d me and I was pregnant. He was always beating me, threating me, putting me down, no food allowed, no family allowed, no friends, don't talk to anyone. He even got to the point of endangering my daughter. When I found the courage to leave it did not stop. I completely lost it, could not recall anything for a long time. Not until friends I made asked my what happened. Then I would have trembling and not know why, just fear, still. I can now speak of it, but still see and feel the visuals of memory, sometimes a new one crops up that I still don't think about. My daughter is 26 now, have to add my family was equally as abusive though, that may be what compounded it. Misty was probably threatened more than we know, in worse ways, at that time. Misty's current memory is compounded by continuing fear of RC, druggie mind, family issues, and youth, not to mention threat of jail forever and possible death penalty if involved.

Different topic, the new thread of quotes sure does make Ron look extremely guilty. JMO.

bbm....Ron ...IMO..has made HIMSELF..look guilty...yes indeed..

IMO...He has shown..lack of interest in finding H...where are the pleas, new flyers,new vigils, increase in reward, TV face time pleading for his daughter's return, where are the pleas that WHOVER has her she needs her breathing device, her medications, etc...Pleas of returning her safely no questions asked, drop her off at a playground or police station..like so many other parents of missing children...Seek FBI assistance, expand searches, plea for any tips, SOMETHING..PROACTIVE..in locating his daughter...

UNLESS...
Unless he already knows WHERE SHE IS...and has continued living his life...His truck says it all......all in my own opinion..

 

[MADJGNLAW]

I wonder if Haleigh had ingested drugs in the past? The ER normally doesn't do any type of blood work when you bring in your child if the child is not running a fever. It is said that TN took Haleigh to the ER because Haleigh had stomach cramps, nausea and was vomiting. Most ER Dr's would say she has a stomach bug, bring her back if not better within 48hrs or if she spikes a fever. I would think that if Haleigh did have stomach bug, her having Turner Syndrome would of spiked her fever since they have such low immune systems. I am no doctor though. I just always felt that these picture were of an abused Haleigh, not a Haleigh that just had a simple fall at the play ground in school. JMO (BBM)

Ronald's Fights Back Against Abuse Allegations
Cummings' Attorney Calls Abuse Claims 'Reckless'
POSTED: Thursday, March 26, 2009
"Snip"

A photo taken of Haleigh on Nov. 5, 200? -- the day before the accident at school -- shows Haleigh without any injuries.

Ron's attorney said a photo showing Haleigh with bruises was taken an hour and a half after Haleigh's accident on Nov. 6. (Why would they need to take a photo? Was Ronald already under the radar for physical abuse and if so why the Heck did DCF keep the children in his care?!!)
Same day, Teresa Neves, took Haleigh to Flagler Hospital ER. (Why did TN take Haleigh? Why not Ronald? I wonder if CS was contacted regarding the fall at school?)

A picture taken by Neves on Nov. 7 show Haleigh's facial injuries get worse. ( I can understand a bruise getting worse, but the incident at school was said to be a simple scratch and if you look at the pictures they did not look like a simple fall IMO.)

Yet another photo, taken on Nov. 9, according to Ron's attorney, shows "natural progression and continuation of her response to the injury."

Three days later, Haleigh's grandmother took her back to the hospital because of stomach cramps, nausea and vomiting.

Haleigh was treated and released, and Cummings' attorney said no one at the hospital made any mention of possible child abuse. (Just because the Hospital did not notice or report abuse it does not mean it did not happen. GM could of told them that she feel at school and even showed them any note. Yes, they are required by law to report suspected abuse, but they don't always do so. I have always wondered if Haleigh got into some drugs or got a beating for telling someone that Daddy was the one that caused the facial injuries? Or if she got a beating just for falling? Some parents are evil like that. IMO the injuries did not look like they came from a simple fall at school. If I recall I read the notes somewhere, think Art's site where it was said that the injury at school was minor, a few scrapes. These pictures did not, I repeat IMO, did not look like a minor fall.)


IMAGE: Haleigh Cummings' Bruises
http://www.news4jax.com/image/19023469/detail.html

SLIDESHOW: Haleigh Cummings' Bruises
http://www.news4jax.com/slideshow/ne...84/detail.html

Article:http://www.news4jax.com/news/19023072/detail.html

 

[Wendy101]

Dr. Know posted this quote on the quote only thread...

"They need to move on and look for the right person, because they're focusing on me, and I'm not the one that has Haleigh. I don't know where she is."

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mostpo...ilence-on-divorce/N6Yhyv8jzkWoJ8LmV67Uiw.cspx

Wow! It really sounds like Misty thinks HaLeigh is alive & that someone has her. The article was written 10/09/2009 .

Would this fit anyones theory?

 

[justus4all]

Dr. Know posted this quote on the quote only thread...

"They need to move on and look for the right person, because they're focusing on me, and I'm not the one that has Haleigh. I don't know where she is."

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mostpo...ilence-on-divorce/N6Yhyv8jzkWoJ8LmV67Uiw.cspx

Wow! It really sounds like Misty thinks HaLeigh is alive & that someone has her. The article was written 10/09/2009 .

Would this fit anyones theory?

My theory...and I have several/and they have not included that someone has her (alive) and is keeping her "hidden"...

With the national attention, news, interviews, this case has received...I don't know how someone could "pull this off" and keep a child isolated all this time...

Even residing out of state with someone.....How could that be achieved??? People, shopping, neighbors, ...and with her medical condition..wasn't she under a doctor's care most of her life????Her medical needs???
Also...no sightings...that I have heard, anyway..

If M is saying...SOMEONE HAS HER..(AS IN...deceased and buried nearby) More probable to me...but then...Misty has trouble with ANY statements she makes...all in my own opinion..