General theory thread and motives rehashed #3

[dodie20]

Looking back IF you think about it Ron C has never done anything to really protect Misty, ONLY himself. All of his actions have proven to be self serving.. And I suspect he lied about picking up Haleigh because he needed for the world to believe he was just a "hard working-great dad" who could/ would never put his children in harms way.
It was also most imperative for him and his family to attempt to prove he and Misty were the perect little couple and their main concern was Haleigh and Jr. However they left themselves an out in order to set her/Tommy up IF things didn't pan out favorably for Ronald Cummings to be nominated as being the BESTEST FATHER EVER.

In reference to your comments as to WHY Tommy hasn't told the truth, I suspect Tommy allowed himself to be conned into helping out that night and that is WHY Tommy also attempted to implicate Jo rather than himself.
In regards to Misty she has never really protected Tommy.Look at all the times she has thrown him under the bus. Only people I have ever seen Misty protect is Timmy, Ronald Cummings and members of Ron C's family.

you're right about Ron . He's lied, put his spin on it, & did nothing but hinder this investigation. His actions, IMO, aren't those of an innocent man, but, maybe Ron had other reasons, besides guilt in a murder, to stonewall this investigation. IDK about him. He & his mother sure did a number on this case. I think Ron is right where he needs to be, while LE sorts this mess out. (I hope). I don't see much from the others that points to Ron, but that's just an opinion...actually, they act like this is a family deal, & treat Ron, like an outsider...but that opinion, is based on their edited phone calls, & no calls from Ron. Who knows what clues, they held. Most people tend to have a clear cut idea of who they think the perp is. Ron. Misty. Tommy. Joe. I lean towards Tommy, but that's based on very very little information. There's something about those reports of him, roaming the neighborhood streets at night, that sets off my 'hinky' meter...& then his semi confession, where he blamed Joe, of course. But, when looked at individually, each person looks guilty, & could have a case built against him/her. Ron married Misty, for crying out loud, his actual work hours are virtually unknown, he has a long arrest record, he had that discipline deal with Haleigh, he was in trouble over school attendance, he's been caught lying...things don't look good for him. Misty, was just a kid, herself, taking care of 2 kids-1 sick, & 1 not much more than a baby. She had just come off a major binger, & there's no telling what stress & fatigue caused her to do. & she said herself, she didn't want to babysit. geesh...Tommy, well, I'll skip over him, because I've made my opinion of him, more than clear, (ad nauseam). Joe, according to his whole family, is crazy & dangerous, & supposedly stabbed his own sister over a piece of bologna, (via Hank, I think). & everyone of them are on drugs. drugs...it's the thread, that binds this bunch together.

 

[dodie20]

BBM

I do not think Tommy was willing to sit in prison for 15 years.

I think Tommy was sure he would get the minimum mandatory for his charge, and that was 3 years. His attorney, after the sentencing, commented he had expected Tommy to get around 5 years and I believe he deduced that based on Tommy's score sheet. Tommy, Lindsy, and Tommy's attorney all expected him to get a light sentence and all were floored when the judge passed sentence of 15 years.

Yeah, they were surprised, but most of us here, weren't...not after Hope's 15 year sentence. Actually, I was half expecting 30 years, but I guess the judge didn't want to give him too much to work with, on appeals. If he's not the murderer, I expect him to rat out Misty. He can tell the same disposal story, but change the name of the perp...if that's what happened. & instead of claiming fear as the motivation, claim sympathy for his sister's plight. But, if Misty was really gone that night, as cops insinuated, then they probably know where & why. Tommy's gonna have to fit that in to his story. & I'm sorry, but I don't see him lying for Ron. the only other explanation, is that he invented the Joe story...but if that's the case, he'd better hope, that he didn't give up some real information that led to real evidence.

 

[krkrjx]

I think at this point they are all busy trying to get out of prison or at least get their sentences reduced on appeal. I do not think any of them are even thinking about Haleigh, ever.

They know what happened, and they know there is no evidence and they know that without evidence, there will be no arrest, trial or conviction.

They are not the sharpest tools in the shed but they all know the justice system enough to know about reasonble doubt...and they know that their litany of lies has cast much reasonable doubt. Without a body or some other major evidence, this crime will go unpunished, and they know it.

Now, once their appeals are all used up and they have nothing to do but sit there, someone might decide to tell what they know. That is if they can be kept in prison long enough. If the state laws are revamped regarding sentencing of drug trafficking offenses, our players could all get sprung early, and then all bets are off regarding anyone telling anything about Haleigh.

 

[dodie20]

I think at this point they are all busy trying to get out of prison or at least get their sentences reduced on appeal. I do not think any of them are even thinking about Haleigh, ever.

They know what happened, and they know there is no evidence and they know that without evidence, there will be no arrest, trial or conviction.

They are not the sharpest tools in the shed but they all know the justice system enough to know about reasonble doubt...and they know that their litany of lies has cast much reasonable doubt. Without a body or some other major evidence, this crime will go unpunished, and they know it.

Now, once their appeals are all used up and they have nothing to do but sit there, someone might decide to tell what they know. That is if they can be kept in prison long enough. If the state laws are revamped regarding sentencing of drug trafficking offenses, our players could all get sprung early, and then all bets are off regarding anyone telling anything about Haleigh.

I'm usually a pessimist, but about this, I'm cautiously, optimistic. I think somebody's gonna talk. depending on who knows what. If Ron's not guilty, I think he'll be the one. even if that means spilling on Misty. I got the impression, awhile back, when he refused to respond to her 'I love you', in early court, that he was making it clear that it was every man for himself. MOO, & I could be wrong. If Tommy's guilty, I think Misty's gonna sit there, & start dwelling on their negative past, & decide she doesn't owe him this kind of loyalty...regardless of what her parents want. If Ron's guilty, I don't think anybody has enough details, to rat him out.

 

[suspicious1]

Looking back IF you think about it Ron C has never done anything to really protect Misty, ONLY himself. All of his actions have proven to be self serving.. And I suspect he lied about picking up Haleigh because he needed for the world to believe he was just a "hard working-great dad" who could/ would never put his children in harms way.
It was also most imperative for him and his family to attempt to prove he and Misty were the perect little couple and their main concern was Haleigh and Jr. However they left themselves an out in order to set her/Tommy up IF things didn't pan out favorably for Ronald Cummings to be nominated as being the BESTEST FATHER EVER.

In reference to your comments as to WHY Tommy hasn't told the truth, I suspect Tommy allowed himself to be conned into helping out that night and that is WHY Tommy also attempted to implicate Jo rather than himself.
In regards to Misty she has never really protected Tommy.Look at all the times she has thrown him under the bus. Only people I have ever seen Misty protect is Timmy, Ronald Cummings and members of Ron C's family.

Good post Em. I agree. I often wondered why Tommy hasn't told the truth. But I too believe that Tommy was conned into helping out that night. Wasn't there a story about Tommy and Jo walking in on a deceased Haleigh and Jo freaked out? Maybe this has a ring of truth to it? I have always believed that Ron's call to Tommy was to help/assist in the cover up....not the actual murder. Maybe Tommy and Jo were together when Tommy went to the mh and maybe Jo was driving the blue van but when Jo walked in on a deceased Haleigh, he hightailed it out of there. Maybe Tommy stayed. I just can't see Tommy being able to blame JO if Jo was not actually there at some point. I too would be afraid to admit that I walked in on a dead child, left and never alerted the authorities. LE inspected the blue van and apparently found nothing because the van was returned to the Croslins.

With all Ron lies I just can't believe and never will I ever, that he had absolutely nothing to do with what happened to his daughter. JMO

 

[Chablis]

Good post Em. I agree. I often wondered why Tommy hasn't told the truth. But I too believe that Tommy was conned into helping out that night. Wasn't there a story about Tommy and Jo walking in on a deceased Haleigh and Jo freaked out? Maybe this has a ring of truth to it? I have always believed that Ron's call to Tommy was to help/assist in the cover up....not the actual murder. Maybe Tommy and Jo were together when Tommy went to the mh and maybe Jo was driving the blue van but when Jo walked in on a deceased Haleigh, he hightailed it out of there. Maybe Tommy stayed. I just can't see Tommy being able to blame JO if Jo was not actually there at some point. I too would be afraid to admit that I walked in on a dead child, left and never alerted the authorities. LE inspected the blue van and apparently found nothing because the van was returned to the Croslins.

With all Ron lies I just can't believe and never will I ever, that he had absolutely nothing to do with what happened to his daughter. JMO

I really do think that Tommy knows after the fact. I think when Misty called her family to come get her, and Ron went off and punched Tommy, and then a day or two later threw that rat into his mailbox, I think Ron went ballistic because Misty told Tommy. After that, people say Tommy and Ron became friends, did Ron, after getting all this money from donations and knowing people with pills, supply Tommy with pills, getting him hooked as some hush deal? Lets all be real, even Ron had Nancy Grace sympathetic towards him, no one would believe any stories any druggie liars tell.

This is very complicated.

 

[4Jacy]

I really do think that Tommy knows after the fact. I think when Misty called her family to come get her, and Ron went off and punched Tommy, and then a day or two later threw that rat into his mailbox, I think Ron went ballistic because Misty told Tommy. After that, people say Tommy and Ron became friends, did Ron, after getting all this money from donations and knowing people with pills, supply Tommy with pills, getting him hooked as some hush deal? Lets all be real, even Ron had Nancy Grace sympathetic towards him, no one would believe any stories any druggie liars tell.

This is very complicated.

Yes, she was so hot for him it was embarrassing! "Yes, Miss Nancy, No, Miss Nancy." I wanted to be sick; actually I was sick watching that slobbering.

 

[Baznme]

you're right about Ron . He's lied, put his spin on it, & did nothing but hinder this investigation. His actions, IMO, aren't those of an innocent man, but, maybe Ron had other reasons, besides guilt in a murder, to stonewall this investigation. IDK about him. He & his mother sure did a number on this case. I think Ron is right where he needs to be, while LE sorts this mess out. (I hope). I don't see much from the others that points to Ron, but that's just an opinion...actually, they act like this is a family deal, & treat Ron, like an outsider...but that opinion, is based on their edited phone calls, & no calls from Ron. Who knows what clues, they held. Most people tend to have a clear cut idea of who they think the perp is. Ron. Misty. Tommy. Joe. I lean towards Tommy, but that's based on very very little information. There's something about those reports of him, roaming the neighborhood streets at night, that sets off my 'hinky' meter...& then his semi confession, where he blamed Joe, of course. But, when looked at individually, each person looks guilty, & could have a case built against him/her. Ron married Misty, for crying out loud, his actual work hours are virtually unknown, he has a long arrest record, he had that discipline deal with Haleigh, he was in trouble over school attendance, he's been caught lying...things don't look good for him. Misty, was just a kid, herself, taking care of 2 kids-1 sick, & 1 not much more than a baby. She had just come off a major binger, & there's no telling what stress & fatigue caused her to do. & she said herself, she didn't want to babysit. geesh...Tommy, well, I'll skip over him, because I've made my opinion of him, more than clear, (ad nauseam). Joe, according to his whole family, is crazy & dangerous, & supposedly stabbed his own sister over a piece of bologna, (via Hank, I think). & everyone of them are on drugs. drugs...it's the thread, that binds this bunch together.

That's right! That's the common denominator......drugs. The entire Croslin family was either on them, buying them or had knowledge of the abuse in the family. All of them! Their supplier in my opinion was RC. I think in the end, it was an agreement.....I'll watch your back if you watch mine. The rat in the mailbox routine.......a reminder. Keep your mouth shut. RC with his big mouth about how he knows more than all those *blankety blank fools, etc. If RC had been ratted out, he would have to explain as to who the bigger fish were that HE was getting his supplies from. Once the incident occurred regarding Haleigh, everyone disappeared (all of RC's suppliers), all the sources dried up as they wanted no part in a high profile case that may end up exposing them and he was now coaching Misty on how to get more drugs. The matter of Haleigh's disappearance was now of secondary importance. IMO, she always was.

 

[lonetraveler]

that could be true, but I'm not convinced Joe was an innocent bystander, whose family turned on him. & I think for him to prove he's not the actual murderer, he's gonna have to come clean about what really did happen...& he's not willing to do that...because he's in a better position, keeping his mouth shut. He's not in jail, he's not a 'suspect', & he's miles away from all of these people. On the other hand, he could've slept that night away, & to protect their own tight knit group, they decided to throw him to the wolves. When I 1st heard Tommy's, 'Joe did it' story, I thought there was some truth to it, but he may have reversed his & Joe's roles...to make himself the threatened, scared one. I had a hard time picturing skinny, teenaged Joe, terrifying bigger, older, Tommy. plus...these were Tommy's stomping grounds. He knew the people, he had the connections, he knew the neighborhood, & he knew the hiding spots. 1 of my biggest problems with this case, is Misty being labeled 'the key'. What does that mean? What it doesn't mean, is 'suspect' or 'person of interest'. I take it to mean that she has been withholding a bit of information that could break this case, wide open, (dream on), or she's actively covering for somebody. But for LE to so confidently, label her, then they must know for a fact, what she's withholding...so, why don't they proceed, without her? Why must the burden of solving this case, fall on Misty Croslin? That's not fair to Haleigh. So, if it never gets solved, just blame 'the key'. how convenient. After 2 years of this hounding, I think the public should be given a definition, to go along with that word. If LE wants us to blindly accept, that this is all in Misty's court, & all her fault...well, then help us out here. I don't think the local cops are crooked, & I believe they want to solve this case...but I do think they have tunnel vision, & I think these drug cases are consolation justice. I'm to the point, of wondering if Haleigh's case will ever be solved. Tommy was called a suspect-just in time, to garuntee a stiff drug sentence...but what now? Is that it? all of this is MOO, of course,.

Wow, my computer crashed a week ago yesterday and is with a computer geek. I finally had to go over to my daughter's house to try and catch up. Let me tell you, don't go "cold turkey" on coming onto Websleuths, it can be dangerous. I totally understand where you are coming from regarding Misty being labeled the "Key". It does appear that LE just left the ball in Misty's court and just decided to sit there until SHE came up with something that would solve the case. I would like to ask LE how that is working for them! :banghead:

 

[mysticrose]

IMHO Misty is not the key and that is why this investigation sits where it does today. LE has tunnel vision and for whatever reason decided to never look back..... I think at this point if she knew one iota of the truth about Haleigh it would have been said long ago when she realized it was everyman for himself.

I have a few theories I toss around and one being that Teresa and Ron know alot more then they are telling and Misty is the scapegoat .

Storys were planted early on in ones mind if not many to add to confusion and fear... I believe Misty was set up for something that happened earlier in the evening with Haleigh, because I believe Misty was not home but returned to that MH to find Haleigh missing from the house around 2:00 am. That is one theory I have pondered and tossed....
One thing is for sure with me and I always come back to is Misty is not the key no matter which way I look at it. Moo and all that jazz............

 

[Concerned Papa]

IMHO Misty is not the key and that is why this investigation sits where it does today. LE has tunnel vision and for whatever reason decided to never look back..... I think at this point if she knew one iota of the truth about Haleigh it would have been said long ago when she realized it was everyman for himself.

I have a few theories I toss around and one being that Teresa and Ron know alot more then they are telling and Misty is the scapegoat.

Storys were planted early on in ones mind if not many to add to confusion and fear... I believe Misty was set up for something that happened earlier in the evening with Haleigh, because I believe Misty was not home but returned to that MH to find Haleigh missing from the house around 2:00 am. That is one theory I have pondered and tossed....
One thing is for sure with me and I always come back to is Misty is not the key no matter which way I look at it. Moo and all that jazz............

According to very specific recent statements from the media and LE, your theory could well have merit.

Investigators said they believe the people connected to the case, including....HALEIGH’S FATHER, have not told everything they know about what happened.

http://www.baynews9.com/article/new...s-think-family-hasnt-told-whole-story?cid=rss

**Notice the title of the article: “Haleigh Cummings - 2 years later, deputies think FAMILY hasn't told whole story”

"It's been clear from day one that the contradicting statements from the FAMILY MEMBERS are not the truth," said Capt. Johnny Greenwood, spokesman for the Putnam County Sheriff's Office.

http://staugustine.com/news/local-news/2011-02-10/haleigh-now-missing-2-years

“They believe, based on the information they have, it is a FAMILY MEMBER”

http://www.news4jax.com/video/26817556/index.html

These are three different articles, from three different media outlets, all with the reoccurring theme of a person or persons related to Haleigh being a focus of LE's investigation.

 

[Chablis]

According to very specific recent statements from the media and LE, your theory could well have merit.







These are three different articles, from three different media outlets, all with the reoccurring theme of a person or persons related to Haleigh being a focus of LE's investigation.

Its a hard pill to swallow.

 

[Nonni Brenda]

IMHO Misty is not the key and that is why this investigation sits where it does today. LE has tunnel vision and for whatever reason decided to never look back..... I think at this point if she knew one iota of the truth about Haleigh it would have been said long ago when she realized it was everyman for himself.

I have a few theories I toss around and one being that Teresa and Ron know alot more then they are telling and Misty is the scapegoat .
Storys were planted early on in ones mind if not many to add to confusion and fear... I believe Misty was set up for something that happened earlier in the evening with Haleigh, because I believe Misty was not home but returned to that MH to find Haleigh missing from the house around 2:00 am. That is one theory I have pondered and tossed....
One thing is for sure with me and I always come back to is Misty is not the key no matter which way I look at it. Moo and all that jazz............

BBM Mistic, I agree with you about TN and RC. I think that is where it all began, they are the keys. On Misty's 911 call, she seemed totally confused about what was happening and what she thought RC wanted her to say. I think that TN and RC wanted Misty to call 911 long before he came home, but she didn't show up until about 2am, when a neighbor heard a scream and Misty in the yard talking on the phone. She was set up, IMO, as were TC and whoever was with him, either JO or TiC. This has been my opinion for a while...of course it may change...again.:crazy:

 

[dodie20]

I've been thinking about those family member comments, & especially, the one about the father. Now, it could've been a miscommunication, & as we all know, Misty wasn't a family member, so her family members weren't Haleigh's family. Now, that's a lot to miscommunicate...too much, I think, so, I'm assuming, (& yes, I know that gets you in trouble), but I'm assuming, it was meant as written, & I'm gonna take this at face value. Haleigh's family. It seems that LE has come to the conclusion, (& it's about time!), that Ron hasn't been forthcoming, has contradicted himself, & has told lies. Now, this is something that LE may have been aware of all along, but for some reason, has finally decided to voice. Ron made that deal, where he promised to be truthful, then he tried to void his sentence, & now, LE has made these statements. something's going on, & LE doesn't seem happy. I think, in Ron's case, push has finally come to shove. I know he admitted to the gun fight with Joe, but he is still lying, IMO, about who picked Haleigh up from the bus stop. His lawyer, sometime during his deal negotiations, said something to the effect, that people are still putting Ron at the bus stop. 1st of all, who are these people? besides Ron, Misty, & Chelsea croslin, that is. & 2ndly, why did he even bring that up? why is that important? I think, & this is just a guess, that something very important & related to Haleigh's disappearance, happened during this time. It' MOO, that Ron is either trying to remove Misty from the bus stop, or remove himself, from wherever he was. Is he covering for himself? Misty? hmmm

 

[Emeralgem]

I've been thinking about those family member comments, & especially, the one about the father. Now, it could've been a miscommunication, & as we all know, Misty wasn't a family member, so her family members weren't Haleigh's family. Now, that's a lot to miscommunicate...too much, I think, so, I'm assuming, (& yes, I know that gets you in trouble), but I'm assuming, it was meant as written, & I'm gonna take this at face value. Haleigh's family. It seems that LE has come to the conclusion, (& it's about time!), that Ron hasn't been forthcoming, has contradicted himself, & has told lies. Now, this is something that LE may have been aware of all along, but for some reason, has finally decided to voice. Ron made that deal, where he promised to be truthful, then he tried to void his sentence, & now, LE has made these statements. something's going on, & LE doesn't seem happy. I think, in Ron's case, push has finally come to shove. I know he admitted to the gun fight with Joe, but he is still lying, IMO, about who picked Haleigh up from the bus stop. His lawyer, sometime during his deal negotiations, said something to the effect, that people are still putting Ron at the bus stop. 1st of all, who are these people? besides Ron, Misty, & Chelsea croslin, that is. & 2ndly, why did he even bring that up? why is that important? I think, & this is just a guess, that something very important & related to Haleigh's disappearance, happened during this time. It' MOO, that Ron is either trying to remove Misty from the bus stop, or remove himself, from wherever he was. Is he covering for himself? Misty? hmmm

I suspect BOTH. He needs for people to believe he picked up Haleigh, drove her home for Misty to care for her and left for work.
I also suspect last thing he and his mother want revealed is he and Misty had not reconciled. Also his mother may have given an OK to Misty or someone in the Croslin family to pick Haleigh up w/o clearing it with Ron and when he discovered Haleigh had already been picked up he went looking for her and ALL HELL broke loose when he caught up with Misty.. As usual JMHO

 

[Nonni Brenda]

I've been thinking about those family member comments, & especially, the one about the father. Now, it could've been a miscommunication, & as we all know, Misty wasn't a family member, so her family members weren't Haleigh's family. Now, that's a lot to miscommunicate...too much, I think, so, I'm assuming, (& yes, I know that gets you in trouble), but I'm assuming, it was meant as written, & I'm gonna take this at face value. Haleigh's family. It seems that LE has come to the conclusion, (& it's about time!), that Ron hasn't been forthcoming, has contradicted himself, & has told lies. Now, this is something that LE may have been aware of all along, but for some reason, has finally decided to voice. Ron made that deal, where he promised to be truthful, then he tried to void his sentence, & now, LE has made these statements. something's going on, & LE doesn't seem happy. I think, in Ron's case, push has finally come to shove. I know he admitted to the gun fight with Joe, but he is still lying, IMO, about who picked Haleigh up from the bus stop. His lawyer, sometime during his deal negotiations, said something to the effect, that people are still putting Ron at the bus stop. 1st of all, who are these people? besides Ron, Misty, & Chelsea croslin, that is. & 2ndly, why did he even bring that up? why is that important? I think, & this is just a guess, that something very important & related to Haleigh's disappearance, happened during this time. It' MOO, that Ron is either trying to remove Misty from the bus stop, or remove himself, from wherever he was. Is he covering for himself? Misty? hmmm

That is a good point Dodie. I am hoping that LE has evidence that Ron is lieing about where he was at that time, and they will ask him about that lie, as well as other lies, at some time in court, and he continues to lie, and then his plea deal will be broken. At that time they can go back a throw the book at him, if not about Haleigh's disappearance, at least about his drug case. Anyone know the number of years he could be given at that point on the drug charges, maximim? By the way...
Wishing alll my WS friends a very Happy and Loving Valentine's Day.

 

[krkrjx]

I am again revisiting one of my earliest theories. I never expected to go there again, but I have to consider it, given they are all in prison and no one is talking. Dodie brought up a very good point--that all of them did not commit a murder! So, if one is guilty we can understand that person not talking, but what about the others? They must be at a point emotionally by now where their main interest would be saving their own skin, yet no one is saying anything about what they may have heard or witnessed. At this point secondary participants could be in a very good position for immunity for telling on the main perp(s). Why isn't one or more of the players trying to deal?

I am back to looking at a retaliatory kidnapping by someone Ron crossed. Someone they were involved in criminal endeavors with dating back prior to February 9, 2009. I realize it is best to keep it simple, and thus not involve unknown perps, but crimes like this DO HAPPEN. It happened in California: A couple was involved in drug dealing and someone they crossed came to their home for money owed. When they didn't have the cash, the perps took their 4-year-old son. The boy was found unharmed a couple weeks later, wandering alone somewhere in Mexico. In that case, the parents fully cooperated with LE; their only concern was getting their son back and they did not care if their drug dealings were exposed in the process.

If something like this happened, Ron and Misty could know who or at least suspect who...and LE's statement of it being someone known to Ron and/or Misty would be valid. Maybe the plan was for Haleigh to be returned, but something went tragically wrong.

Something like this is not as far-fetched as it might seem on the surface, so I am revisiting it now. At one time it was my main theory, and if I have to consider WHY none of the group is willing at this point to try to save him or herself, this could be why. If there are such types involved, all could be afraid to say anything, particularly because none of the players trust LE enough that they would believe LE would or could protect them.

 

[dodie20]

I don't really like this theory, because every time it starts making sense, I have to wonder, if the clues pointing in that direction, were planted. Was Ron or 1 of the others, trying to make it look like a retaliation? I think maybe. Something went on at that bus stop. A witness saw & heard Misty arguing with LC & a guy over what seemed like bad dope. LC & the guy, seeming to be angry, sped off. IDK, but I think there's more to this story, than was released to the public. If Misty DID say, as was reported, that they weren't messing with him anymore, & IF that him was a friend or connection of Tommy's, then that could explain their anger. Also, Jr. said a black man or a man in black, took Haleigh. unless there's a lot more to this story too, I think he should've recognized Ron, Tommy, or Timmy, & probably even JO. So, these things, IMO, point to clues, outside of these 2 families. After this happened, Ron surrounded himself with family, while camped out, & then he, Misty, & I'm thinking Jr., all moved in with AS. This, IMO, points to Ron being scared. What & Who was he scared of? It could be as simple as-him managing to lose 1 child, while out on his own, & not wanting to run that risk again, OR, maybe he was scared of another retaliation. maybe Ron had gotten in over his head, & knew it. Misty didn't want to babysit, & depending on the teller, either TN offered to pay her, or she offered to pay TN. & this is imprtant, because instead of just dying, this story kept popping up, in different versions. Did Misty just not want to be saddled with the the kids, (understandable), or did she have other plans, (considering that neighbors, reportedly said she often left the kids alone...I don't think so), or was she up to no good with Tommy & JO, (a big possibility, since FH claimed she was in on a gun theft plot), or did she know something was going down? (based on her phone call at the bus stop, that's a definite possibility...but, would she have hung around, herself?) I've never completely ruled out the retaliation theory, but based on lie tests results, I moved past a stranger abduction, a long time ago. I wonder why LE is just now getting to that point. maybe those lie tests, aren't so cut & dried. Actually, we shouldn't even know the results, so maybe they all passed? were all inconclusive? maybe Misty failed certain questions, that led LE to believe she was hiding something? so she became the key. In 1 of the later tests, (the LVA, I believe), Misty showed some kind of deception, on a question about Ron's involvement. That didn't really surprise me, but what did surprise me, was that she was asked the question, in the 1st place. He had supposedly been cleared, but here they were, still worried about Ron. I didn't care at all for that test, or the giver. He lost me when he went on & on about how much more accurate the LVA is than a poly. sorry, but I don't buy that.

 

[Nonni Brenda]

I don't really like this theory, because every time it starts making sense, I have to wonder, if the clues pointing in that direction, were planted. Was Ron or 1 of the others, trying to make it look like a retaliation? I think maybe. Something went on at that bus stop. A witness saw & heard Misty arguing with LC & a guy over what seemed like bad dope. LC & the guy, seeming to be angry, sped off. IDK, but I think there's more to this story, than was released to the public. If Misty DID say, as was reported, that they weren't messing with him anymore, & IF that him was a friend or connection of Tommy's, then that could explain their anger. Also, Jr. said a black man or a man in black, took Haleigh. unless there's a lot more to this story too, I think he should've recognized Ron, Tommy, or Timmy, & probably even JO. So, these things, IMO, point to clues, outside of these 2 families. After this happened, Ron surrounded himself with family, while camped out, & then he, Misty, & I'm thinking Jr., all moved in with AS. This, IMO, points to Ron being scared. What & Who was he scared of? It could be as simple as-him managing to lose 1 child, while out on his own, & not wanting to run that risk again, OR, maybe he was scared of another retaliation. maybe Ron had gotten in over his head, & knew it. Misty didn't want to babysit, & depending on the teller, either TN offered to pay her, or she offered to pay TN. & this is imprtant, because instead of just dying, this story kept popping up, in different versions. Did Misty just not want to be saddled with the the kids, (understandable), or did she have other plans, (considering that neighbors, reportedly said she often left the kids alone...I don't think so), or was she up to no good with Tommy & JO, (a big possibility, since FH claimed she was in on a gun theft plot), or did she know something was going down? (based on her phone call at the bus stop, that's a definite possibility...but, would she have hung around, herself?) I've never completely ruled out the retaliation theory, but based on lie tests results, I moved past a stranger abduction, a long time ago. I wonder why LE is just now getting to that point. maybe those lie tests, aren't so cut & dried. Actually, we shouldn't even know the results, so maybe they all passed? were all inconclusive? maybe Misty failed certain questions, that led LE to believe she was hiding something? so she became the key. In 1 of the later tests, (the LVA, I believe), Misty showed some kind of deception, on a question about Ron's involvement. That didn't really surprise me, but what did surprise me, was that she was asked the question, in the 1st place. He had supposedly been cleared, but here they were, still worried about Ron. I didn't care at all for that test, or the giver. He lost me when he went on & on about how much more accurate the LVA is than a poly. sorry, but I don't buy that.

Oh Dodie, now my brain hurts...:crazy:

 

[dodie20]

Oh Dodie, now my brain hurts...:crazy:

sorry...lol. my brain hurts too. The problem is even though very little information has been released, there's still a lot of information, & we keep going round & round with it. information that may not even be important...ughhh. When this thing is finally solved, I expect to say, 'well if LE had released THAT particular tidbit, I never would've suspected so & so or so & so. & it'll all fall into place & make sense. I sure would like to see those phone records, the pings, & the text transcripts. That alone, could elliminate most everybody! & I'd like to know Ron's actual work hours. Surely, LE has phone & work records. but early on, I do remember them saying they were having technology problems. Now, there's a scary thought. no phone or work records. Considering that this bunch got locked up for trafficking, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that they had all been trafficking, before Haleigh went missing. If that's true, it might explain why LE labeled Misty the ringleader, & LC's attitude. She really got on to Tommy for not listening to her about going with Misty. Also, HC had the same attitude, & who can forget TN's, 'Misty dragged his butt into this'. & I'm not sure when LE claims to have missed Tommy's earlier stash...could that have been before, Haleigh went missing? Anyway, if they were dealing, & it led up to Haleigh's disappearance, then they were probably scared straight...for a little while. But like all druggies, that feeling didn't last long, & it was back to business. MOO.