General theory thread and motives rehashed #3

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It was "stated" that neighbors saw her, but I have not personally seen one come forth. I need to see the actual person saying she was outside popping wheelies on her bike, and being a normal child, someone who has no agenda at all, and its a fact that person has never come forward, so I can't blindly believe that. If Teresa said to Marie, well a neighbor saw her outside after Ron went to work, well, that does not make it a fact, Teresa has an agenda to protect her son. And even if that happened, I know for sure the cops said they don't know when or where the crime occurred, she could have been outside playing after receiving a blow to her head from her daddy and died hours later like Natasha Richardson, these things really do happen and should be factored in here.


Thanks for explaining what you meant, late night not much sleep, so I'm a bit foggy today

I would have to look and see if LE said she was seen after Ronald left, iirc they did, but I can't recall. LE keeps most things close to the vest, we really have no idea how much information they may have.

I don't believe a child would be playing after a blow to the head bad enough to kill the child
 
It was "stated" that neighbors saw her, but I have not personally seen one come forth. I need to see the actual person saying she was outside popping wheelies on her bike, and being a normal child, someone who has no agenda at all, and its a fact that person has never come forward, so I can't blindly believe that. If Teresa said to Marie, well a neighbor saw her outside after Ron went to work, well, that does not make it a fact, Teresa has an agenda to protect her son. And even if that happened, I know for sure the cops said they don't know when or where the crime occurred, she could have been outside playing after receiving a blow to her head from her daddy and died hours later like Natasha Richardson, these things really do happen and should be factored in here.

IIRC MG stated TN was the one who told her neighbors had seen Haleigh playing in the yard after Ron C went to work.. To my knowledge no one has come forward and stated they saw Haleigh playing in the yard..JMHO
 
Thanks for explaining what you meant, late night not much sleep, so I'm a bit foggy today

I would have to look and see if LE said she was seen after Ronald left, iirc they did, but I can't recall. LE keeps most things close to the vest, we really have no idea how much information they may have.

I don't believe a child would be playing after a blow to the head bad enough to kill the child

Well Flossie, sadly, these types of accidents kill children every year. It was actually because of Natasha Richardson dying, her story saved this little girl who had been hit on the head days prior, and her parents read it, and rushed her to the Doctor, so its sad, but its very, very, very possible. Pair that with a very mad Ronald Cummings the weekend he had custody of his kids but was angry about Misty. Anything is possible. It really is a fact that injuries can linger.

"She had no symptoms," her father Donald tells CNN. "She went to school both days and got an A on her spelling test as usual. There were no issues whatsoever."


http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20268497,00.html
 
Personalizing a post is when you don't discuss the post but go back and forth making your post personalized toward a poster.

Right: I think the reason the elephant is in the middle of the room is because it likes it there.

Wrong: You don't have a clue why the elephant is in the middle of the room that isn't why it is there.

Words like YOU, YOUR, You are wrong,,,, things like that will get you in trouble.
 
Well Flossie, sadly, these types of accidents kill children every year. It was actually because of Natasha Richardson dying, her story saved this little girl who had been hit on the head days prior, and her parents read it, and rushed her to the Doctor, so its sad, but its very, very, very possible. Pair that with a very mad Ronald Cummings the weekend he had custody of his kids but was angry about Misty. Anything is possible. It really is a fact that injuries can linger.

"She had no symptoms," her father Donald tells CNN. "She went to school both days and got an A on her spelling test as usual. There were no issues whatsoever."


http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20268497,00.html

it's very rare, but yes, you're right it can happen. JMO, I don't think it did. I don't believe Ronald would hurt HaLeigh, and if she was accidentally hurt somehow and he was there, I believe he would have taken her to the hospital. I keep coming back to the SA's comment about Tommy as well
 
In the beginning LE treated this as an abduction. They had to, it was reported that way so they could not ignore the possibility. LE stated at that time that everyone was a suspect, using a phrase "all the world" or something similar (don't recall exact phrase offhand). It was during that time that LE made statements to the effect of Haleigh being picked up at the school bus by Ron, and Haleigh being seen by neighbors after Ron left for work, and an AC man being at the house and having made a statement to LE and being cleared.

In a short time, a very short time IMO, LE knew the situation to be not a stranger abduction. Something pointed them away from that and IMO it was because early statements by family members were not ringing true. Eventually they stated to the public this was not a stranger abduction but was someone known to Ron and Misty. I believe LE were thinking this well before they actually made that public statement.

Most recent statements from LE are that "the family members" have made "contradictory statements" and that LE was aware that family were doing this since DAY ONE. So, LE knew or suspected the "family members" stories from the beginning, yet didn't make an official statement about that for two years.

LE might suspect Tommy, and I can see why Tommy raises eyebrows. His lies and stories were attempts to get out of jail. Keep in mind, though, that Tommy's first statement that placed him anywhere near the MH that night did not come until seven months later. If LE knew "family members" were telling lies from Day One, I am inclined to believe bthey were not thinking of Tommy as a family member. Reality is, he is not Haleigh's family and never has been, but even if one applies the term "family member" casually (in-laws) it still appears to me as though Tommy is probably not who LE meant when they said contradictory stories have been told from Day One.

Misty was never Haleigh's family either. Even though it was widely reported Misty was Haleigh's stepmother, she never was; Haleigh was gone before Ron and Misty got married. Again applying the term "family member" casually, I can see where LE might have included Misty in Haleigh's family. But Misty is only one person and "family members" (plural) was the term LE used.

Since LE's first statements on this case their take on things has not changed much, apparently. Yet, they left early statements standing and didn't make new information public, at least not the minute they found it. The case went from abduction to homicide, and then we heard NOTHING from LE until the two-year anniversary when they announced the case is still being investigated and they have always known "the family members" have been lying to them all along.

Even if LE is considering Misty as family, they seem convinced at least one other person in Haleigh's family is lying. IMO, they suspect Ron, but if they are not considering Ron as one of the lying family members, they have to be considering someone else in his family. It could be TN or AS, or both.

There is no proof that any neighbor said anything about seeing Haleigh after Ron went to work but even if they did say that, there is no way the neighbors would know for certain what time Ron left for work. There is also no proof the AC man saw Haleigh. All we heard from LE about the AC man is that he had been "cleared."

A realistic look at this case says LE is pointing to Ron, TN or AS as having made contradictory statements, and my personal opinion is that LE is well aware that all three have made contradictory statements. Many of us are aware of their contradictions so no doubt LE is aware.

Anyone taking a realistic look at this case must consider why the father, the grandmother, or the great-grandmother of a missing child would lie to LE about anything at any time.

(Please forgive typos, repetition, etc., as I think faster than I type.)
 
I wish LE would release more info, and I especially would like to see information around the AC man, and neighbors. The thing with the case is for the most part, we have no proof of anything, and that's is what LE wants imo. All we know is HaLeigh is missing, :(

I really believe when Greenwood said family he meant the Croslin family. He can be a bit confusing at times imo, deliberately or accidentally is anyone's guess I suppose.
 
it's very rare, but yes, you're right it can happen. JMO, I don't think it did. I don't believe Ronald would hurt HaLeigh, and if she was accidentally hurt somehow and he was there, I believe he would have taken her to the hospital. I keep coming back to the SA's comment about Tommy as well

Right, but the cops have also said there are "several" POI's and really, 3 people known around the child that night, are in prison, all targeted, Ronald said he was targeted as well, and shouldn't some be asking why the LE would target him?

I know for a fact Ronald had to be shown the "proper" way to hit those little kids, and I know for a fact he has a bad temper, and I know he was distraught with Misty being gone. I dont personally pretend to know Ronald Cummings, but I heard in his own words how he would mangle someones hands and then do something and get away with it. He's one bad dude.
 
In the beginning LE treated this as an abduction. They had to, it was reported that way so they could not ignore the possibility. LE stated at that time that everyone was a suspect, using a phrase "all the world" or something similar (don't recall exact phrase offhand). It was during that time that LE made statements to the effect of Haleigh being picked up at the school bus by Ron, and Haleigh being seen by neighbors after Ron left for work, and an AC man being at the house and having made a statement to LE and being cleared.

In a short time, a very short time IMO, LE knew the situation to be not a stranger abduction. Something pointed them away from that and IMO it was because early statements by family members were not ringing true. Eventually they stated to the public this was not a stranger abduction but was someone known to Ron and Misty. I believe LE were thinking this well before they actually made that public statement.

Most recent statements from LE are that "the family members" have made "contradictory statements" and that LE was aware that family were doing this since DAY ONE. So, LE knew or suspected the "family members" stories from the beginning, yet didn't make an official statement about that for two years.

LE might suspect Tommy, and I can see why Tommy raises eyebrows. His lies and stories were attempts to get out of jail. Keep in mind, though, that Tommy's first statement that placed him anywhere near the MH that night did not come until seven months later. If LE knew "family members" were telling lies from Day One, I am inclined to believe bthey were not thinking of Tommy as a family member. Reality is, he is not Haleigh's family and never has been, but even if one applies the term "family member" casually (in-laws) it still appears to me as though Tommy is probably not who LE meant when they said contradictory stories have been told from Day One.

Misty was never Haleigh's family either. Even though it was widely reported Misty was Haleigh's stepmother, she never was; Haleigh was gone before Ron and Misty got married. Again applying the term "family member" casually, I can see where LE might have included Misty in Haleigh's family. But Misty is only one person and "family members" (plural) was the term LE used.

Since LE's first statements on this case their take on things has not changed much, apparently. Yet, they left early statements standing and didn't make new information public, at least not the minute they found it. The case went from abduction to homicide, and then we heard NOTHING from LE until the two-year anniversary when they announced the case is still being investigated and they have always known "the family members" have been lying to them all along.

Even if LE is considering Misty as family, they seem convinced at least one other person in Haleigh's family is lying. IMO, they suspect Ron, but if they are not considering Ron as one of the lying family members, they have to be considering someone else in his family. It could be TN or AS, or both.

There is no proof that any neighbor said anything about seeing Haleigh after Ron went to work but even if they did say that, there is no way the neighbors would know for certain what time Ron left for work. There is also no proof the AC man saw Haleigh. All we heard from LE about the AC man is that he had been "cleared."

A realistic look at this case says LE is pointing to Ron, TN or AS as having made contradictory statements, and my personal opinion is that LE is well aware that all three have made contradictory statements. Many of us are aware of their contradictions so no doubt LE is aware.

Anyone taking a realistic look at this case must consider why the father, the grandmother, or the great-grandmother of a missing child would lie to LE about anything at any time.

(Please forgive typos, repetition, etc., as I think faster than I type.)

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This post rocks, krkrjx. Thank you for summing up what little facts we know. Everything in this post is 100% accurate and logical. thanks.
 
IIRC only 2 people who have said they were around HaLeigh that night are in prison.

I believe he spoke about spankings, I don't have an issue with that, I also don't believe he is a bad dude or has a bad temper.
 
Right, but the cops have also said there are "several" POI's and really, 3 people known around the child that night, are in prison, all targeted, Ronald said he was targeted as well, and shouldn't some be asking why the LE would target him?

I know for a fact Ronald had to be shown the "proper" way to hit those little kids, and I know for a fact he has a bad temper, and I know he was distraught with Misty being gone. I dont personally pretend to know Ronald Cummings, but I heard in his own words how he would mangle someones hands and then do something and get away with it. He's one bad dude.

IMO.. In order for him to be certain he could mangle a person for life and get away with it tells me he believes he has someone in LE or in the judicai system who is more than willing to dismiss any transgressions committed on his part... Kinda like when he told dispatch he had better people to talk to...Personally, i want to know who he is speaking of and referring to when he makes statements to that fact....JMHO..
 
Personalizing a post is when you don't discuss the post but go back and forth making your post personalized toward a poster.

Right: I think the reason the elephant is in the middle of the room is because it likes it there.

Wrong: You don't have a clue why the elephant is in the middle of the room that isn't why it is there.

Words like YOU, YOUR, You are wrong,,,, things like that will get you in trouble.

Oh ok thanks for the info!:seeya:
 
IMO.. In order for him to be certain he could mangle a person for life and get away with it tells me he believes he has someone in LE or in the judicai system who is more than willing to dismiss any transgressions committed on his part... Kinda like when he told dispatch he had better people to talk to...Personally, i want to know who he is speaking of and referring to when he makes statements to that fact....JMHO..

Perhaps. But really I think he was just an unofficial nark who narked out people when he found himself in trouble. The guy had to get money and bring people to the drug dens he was getting his stuff from. I just don't think he has any kind of influence over anyone, because if he did, he would not be in prison.
 
IIRC only 2 people who have said they were around HaLeigh that night are in prison.

I believe he spoke about spankings, I don't have an issue with that, I also don't believe he is a bad dude or has a bad temper.

Well, the LE say they do not know when or what time this happened. Ronald places himself with Haleigh, Misty does of course, and so does Tommy, so I count 3 right there, and I suspect Hope Sykes, plays a way bigger part in this than imagined.
 
IIRC only 2 people who have said they were around HaLeigh that night are in prison.

I believe he spoke about spankings, I don't have an issue with that, I also don't believe he is a bad dude or has a bad temper.

Yes, only 2 people who have said they were around Haleigh that night are in prison. IMO, it should be three. Three people have said they were around Haleigh that night. Misty, Tommy, and AS.

All three have made contradictory statements at times.
 
Well, the LE say they do not know when or what time this happened. Ronald places himself with Haleigh, Misty does of course, and so does Tommy, so I count 3 right there, and I suspect Hope Sykes, plays a way bigger part in this than imagined.

I agree...And let's not forget TN. I think she knows waaaay too much about what happened to be inocent; as well as AS. They both know everything that happened. JMO
 
I agree...And let's not forget TN. I think she knows waaaay too much about what happened to be inocent; as well as AS. They both know everything that happened. JMO

Its actually because of Annette I believe Ronald went into work at around 7, when the timeline begins. When Annette was on NG, the second to last time, with Flora someone asks Annette, so the time you got there, Ronald was already at work, she looks up and says yes, at that time he was, but I suspect she had just got there and she showed up to literally clean up his mess.
 
IIRC.. Captain Dick Schauland is the one who stated RC picked up Haleigh from the bus stop that afternoon and his information concerning the event came from Ron C, and Teresa Neves.. IMO their claim to the fact should not be be counted as being a reliable source. JMHO
the last official, (& by official I mean somebody besides the family & Croslins), word on this came from Ron's lawyer after Ron cut his deal. He made a statement about having people who put Ron at the bus stop. He didn't say a word about LE putting him there. MOO
 
Well, the LE say they do not know when or what time this happened. Ronald places himself with Haleigh, Misty does of course, and so does Tommy, so I count 3 right there, and I suspect Hope Sykes, plays a way bigger part in this than imagined.

Oh ok, Ronald didn't place himself there at night was what I was posting
 
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