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Myself being someone that has always leaned heavily on Ronald not being directly involved in Haleigh’s death I wanted to list the “issues” that I as someone who looks at all things this case from the view of Ronald NOT being the main perp of what occurred to Haleigh[which is a different view from most so theref0r IMO it is a possible bit of a different “take” on certain aspects that are not the “usual” seen when discussing the case]
With that said I am going to list the couple specific events..statements..details etc that given such a great deal of pondering can IMO come up with an “excuse” for why these specific events..statements..etc occurred if Ronald..Teresa..Annette were not involved in what happened to Haleigh…There are two main ones that have always bothered me so that is where I will start and if any other come to mind I will list and discuss those as well..
- Pretty much right out of the gate I have issue with Teresa and her appearance at the mh in those pre-dawn hours of February 10 2009. So if I believe the timeline of events as they have been told us then we have Ronald arriving for the first time back home since his leaving the mh at 4pm February 9 2009 when he last saw Haleigh as he left to go to work at PDM..I believe his time of arrival home has been stated multiple times to be 3:27am{suspicious to me to have such a specific time of his arrival..but ok I can look past that}.. So if Ronald came home to first come upon any knowledge of his daughter’s “disappearance” at 3:27am at which time according to them he and Misty quickly ran thru the house calling Haleigh’s name and checking any hiding places there in the home and then telling Misty to make the now infamous 911 call to reported his daughter has been “stole”(do not remember exact time of 911 call but do recall that it was literally within single digits of minutes from Ronald time of arrival home}..and that according to Teresa Neves she arrived at the mh what would have been at some point during those phone calls with 911 dispatcher(approx.3:35am}..And according to her she arrives with an 8x10 glossy of Haleigh’s most recent school picture which I believe was still in a frame up until some point after her arrival and also according to her{at some point after that night in an interview}her reason for bringing the 8x10 picture of Haleigh was for the reason of Haleigh having “disappeared”.
- Thus the following would indeed have to be true.. Teresa would have had to have received a call informing her “something” going on at the mh in order for her to have known to even come to the mh at that hour of the wee early morning and that “something” would have had to be Haleigh’s disappearance” in order for her to have known or be of the mindset to bring with her the 8x10 glossy of Haleigh..and the main issue with this “call” and arrival time is that With Teresa living 80+ miles away from the mh she would have had to receive this call informing her of “Haleigh’s disappearance at the very least a little over an hour prior to her arrival time[and that is driving like a literal bat outta hell which most likely would have resulted in at some point btwn her home and the mh brought LE attn to someone driving for that amt of time/distance at such a very high rate of speed]..but at the very least she would have had to have received a call at the very latest by say 2:20am[or in that close vicinity of time…and that is at the very least given the distance she had to travel that morning in order to get to the mh]..So my question is who…why..and how was this phone call made by?..what exactly was told?..and how and why was there knowledge of Haleigh’s disappearance at 2:20am when according to Misty she did not awake from her “sleep” for that “bathroom break” to realize Haleigh was even “missing” until 3 “something”[i.e. Misty’s always saying she just could remember waking up and seeing that it was a 3 “something” am on the digital clock in the bedroom]..and better yet according to her own son Ronald’s acct he did not arrive home at the mh from his werk shift until 3:27am at which he first learns of his daughter’s “disappearance”.. So how could it be that his mom arrived with picture in hand a mere 8 mins later at 3:35am by her own admission there because she had been told of her granddaughter’s “disappearance”..
So the dire of importance things that I need to know about this issue and statements and accounts of this specific issue begins with…
For certain and is their proof backing where exactly was Teresa Neves the night of February 9th up until 3:35am of February 10th? Was she for certain with boyfriend at the supposed apts that they shared 80+ miles away from the mh on Green Lane? Or was she staying somewhere else with someone else? Was she at Annette’s in Palatka perhaps[11.2miles away]? Or was she staying with daughter and grandchild where ever they were living at that time?
That is first what IMO needs to be discerned as fact[preferable with proof]..
And I want to know exactly what the circumstances were in her learning that Haleigh was “missing”..What exact time? From whom? Was it a phone call or in person that she was told? And upon her first learning that Haleigh was “missing” what was the exact set of circumstances of how she disappeared told to you that very first time when you learned she was gone?? And by whom?
These things are absolutely HUGE of importance to be established clearly and backed with proof{of course I am speaking of for LE in investigating this should have been one of the very first issues looked into..found to be for certain and proven or backed up with some form of proof[which if the truth was being told then should not be difficult at all to produce…
- My other main issue that I have always had difficulty with and thus far am unable to explain it away either much like the above issue of Teresa Neves.. It is the flurry of calls that were made that night from Ronald’s cell phone to Misty’s cell reportedly..It was first reported as a 90+ phonecalls coming from Ronald’s phone as outgoing calls to Misty’s cell phone[with Misty’s powered off for the majority of those calls being made]…I believe AH finally stated that a reputable source validated/verified that the number of calls was far less and much more believable at about 20 phone calls from Ronald’s cell to Misty’s cell[tho again with the majority of those calls met with Misty’s cell powered off]..
- So my questions and issues lie within the reasons for these calls as well as what was the reactions that followed the 20 calls from Ron’s phone to Misty’s that were met with no answer/no response..How did he react and what exactly were those reactions and who was it that was privy to seeing Ron’s reaction or hearing what was Ron’s reaction to Misty’s phone powered off and unable to reach her..
- For whatever reasons I do feel that most likely this is a fact that occurred in this case[esp. with the revised number of it being 20 calls placed]and I find it to be of extreme importance to discern exactly what was the situation at hand the night of Feb 9th that had Ron making this flurry of calls..why they were avoided by Misty and most importantly what were Ron’s reactions to her not answering and instead having her phone powered off..I mean FGS this girl was in charge of his two children as well as she had just gotten her azz back from a drug fueled sex binge with another dude I’d say that any man would be leary of trusting her after such having just happened[and not just Ron but any man period]and would not react well to when attempting to reach his “girlfriend” whom is in care of his young children she not only is not answering but she even has her cell completely powered off..This just has never set right with me..If indeed this occurred as described above then it leads to the second part and IMO most important part of this issue of concern that I have and that is in explaining that if it is indeed fact that RC could not reach Misty for 20 something calls and that she’d powered off her phone therefor he had no clue if she or even his two young children were even there in the home and were they even ok if were found to be at the MH..
It is from here that it is again dire of important to know some very simple yet for absolute certain answers to those questions in order for things even to begin to be made sense of IMO.{ and let me add in here that these answers to these questions as stated are very simple in nature as well as would be their responses to and their accurate and definitive answers to these questions all very simple and simple to obtain as well as verify “by LE” all of this easily discerned and answered..yet for you and I we have no way of finding out these answers and certainly have no way of proving any of the answers that we may believe that we “know” the answers to from just the following of this case..so IMO LE would indeed already have these answers } ..
So the dire of importance issue that needs to be known is did Ronald infact call in someone else when he could not reach Misty in those 20 calls to her cell to which it was apparent her cell was powered off?? My common sense opinion would be that definitely he called someone else in to see if they knew Misty and his children’s whereabouts and if they did not to ask for assistance from this person in finding out their whereabouts and that they were all ok.. My problem is that not only do I not believe a word from Tommy’s mouth but more important to me is that I do not personally believe for one moment that the person that Ron would chose to call in for help/assistance would ever be Tommy Croslin..They hated one another long prior to Haleigh’s case arising and the tensions had long since been there with the most recent of events imo occurring between Ron and Joe and Tommy’s hatred/dislike for Ron only becoming more intense from the fighting between his cousin and Ronald Cummings..again making for the most likeliest of scenarios it NOT BEING TOMMY CROSLIN THAT RONALD WOULD CALL TO HELP HIM OUT..much much more likely would be the brother within whom he had formed a bond of sorts with Timmy..IMO if Ronald chose to call any of the Croslins for help/assistance in to what was going on that night I feel for certain it would have been Timmy that was called..
But did a call to Timmy take place? Did the call get answered by Chelsea? These are the important things that I need to know that IMO make all the difference in the world…Was it Annette that Ron called for help??Is this the true/accurate real reason for Grandma coming by that night between 7-8pm? Or was there someone else called in??These are answers we don’t know but I feel certain LE does know..
But if Ronald did not make calls for help/assistance that nite after he could not reach Misty or if he was unsuccessful in reaching anyone for help then my most important of issue is the fact that Ron so very lacksadaisically moseys on home from work stopping by some kangaroo convenient store for smokes..nuts…and beer..seemingly without a care in the world or of any concern.. I just would really like to know the truth of what were the real goings ons that night and morning so that I may have a better grasp of how things happened..This IMO would be so very telling if we had these answers..And the only thing that has sufficed my ill feelings of this was the fact as I stated above that any LE agency in investigating this case would have certainly have found these much needed answers to these above questions..As I also said this would be extremely simple for LE not only to have the answers but to also have proof backing those answers..That til now has been enough for me in believing that LE had these answers and that they must somehow make sense given the answers and knowledge that we do not have to make sense of these issues..
But now I am extremely concerned as to the integrity of this investigation and its investigators..are these questions answered?? Are they?? Because my fear now is that they are not and of they are not well..then I hae a huge problem with these issues because they do not "jive" with the actions of ppl who are NOT INVOLVED IN HALEIGH'S DISAPPEARANCE..
*sorry so very long but just 2 major issues that have been weighing greatly on my mind..
With that said I am going to list the couple specific events..statements..details etc that given such a great deal of pondering can IMO come up with an “excuse” for why these specific events..statements..etc occurred if Ronald..Teresa..Annette were not involved in what happened to Haleigh…There are two main ones that have always bothered me so that is where I will start and if any other come to mind I will list and discuss those as well..
- Pretty much right out of the gate I have issue with Teresa and her appearance at the mh in those pre-dawn hours of February 10 2009. So if I believe the timeline of events as they have been told us then we have Ronald arriving for the first time back home since his leaving the mh at 4pm February 9 2009 when he last saw Haleigh as he left to go to work at PDM..I believe his time of arrival home has been stated multiple times to be 3:27am{suspicious to me to have such a specific time of his arrival..but ok I can look past that}.. So if Ronald came home to first come upon any knowledge of his daughter’s “disappearance” at 3:27am at which time according to them he and Misty quickly ran thru the house calling Haleigh’s name and checking any hiding places there in the home and then telling Misty to make the now infamous 911 call to reported his daughter has been “stole”(do not remember exact time of 911 call but do recall that it was literally within single digits of minutes from Ronald time of arrival home}..and that according to Teresa Neves she arrived at the mh what would have been at some point during those phone calls with 911 dispatcher(approx.3:35am}..And according to her she arrives with an 8x10 glossy of Haleigh’s most recent school picture which I believe was still in a frame up until some point after her arrival and also according to her{at some point after that night in an interview}her reason for bringing the 8x10 picture of Haleigh was for the reason of Haleigh having “disappeared”.
- Thus the following would indeed have to be true.. Teresa would have had to have received a call informing her “something” going on at the mh in order for her to have known to even come to the mh at that hour of the wee early morning and that “something” would have had to be Haleigh’s disappearance” in order for her to have known or be of the mindset to bring with her the 8x10 glossy of Haleigh..and the main issue with this “call” and arrival time is that With Teresa living 80+ miles away from the mh she would have had to receive this call informing her of “Haleigh’s disappearance at the very least a little over an hour prior to her arrival time[and that is driving like a literal bat outta hell which most likely would have resulted in at some point btwn her home and the mh brought LE attn to someone driving for that amt of time/distance at such a very high rate of speed]..but at the very least she would have had to have received a call at the very latest by say 2:20am[or in that close vicinity of time…and that is at the very least given the distance she had to travel that morning in order to get to the mh]..So my question is who…why..and how was this phone call made by?..what exactly was told?..and how and why was there knowledge of Haleigh’s disappearance at 2:20am when according to Misty she did not awake from her “sleep” for that “bathroom break” to realize Haleigh was even “missing” until 3 “something”[i.e. Misty’s always saying she just could remember waking up and seeing that it was a 3 “something” am on the digital clock in the bedroom]..and better yet according to her own son Ronald’s acct he did not arrive home at the mh from his werk shift until 3:27am at which he first learns of his daughter’s “disappearance”.. So how could it be that his mom arrived with picture in hand a mere 8 mins later at 3:35am by her own admission there because she had been told of her granddaughter’s “disappearance”..
So the dire of importance things that I need to know about this issue and statements and accounts of this specific issue begins with…
For certain and is their proof backing where exactly was Teresa Neves the night of February 9th up until 3:35am of February 10th? Was she for certain with boyfriend at the supposed apts that they shared 80+ miles away from the mh on Green Lane? Or was she staying somewhere else with someone else? Was she at Annette’s in Palatka perhaps[11.2miles away]? Or was she staying with daughter and grandchild where ever they were living at that time?
That is first what IMO needs to be discerned as fact[preferable with proof]..
And I want to know exactly what the circumstances were in her learning that Haleigh was “missing”..What exact time? From whom? Was it a phone call or in person that she was told? And upon her first learning that Haleigh was “missing” what was the exact set of circumstances of how she disappeared told to you that very first time when you learned she was gone?? And by whom?
These things are absolutely HUGE of importance to be established clearly and backed with proof{of course I am speaking of for LE in investigating this should have been one of the very first issues looked into..found to be for certain and proven or backed up with some form of proof[which if the truth was being told then should not be difficult at all to produce…
- My other main issue that I have always had difficulty with and thus far am unable to explain it away either much like the above issue of Teresa Neves.. It is the flurry of calls that were made that night from Ronald’s cell phone to Misty’s cell reportedly..It was first reported as a 90+ phonecalls coming from Ronald’s phone as outgoing calls to Misty’s cell phone[with Misty’s powered off for the majority of those calls being made]…I believe AH finally stated that a reputable source validated/verified that the number of calls was far less and much more believable at about 20 phone calls from Ronald’s cell to Misty’s cell[tho again with the majority of those calls met with Misty’s cell powered off]..
- So my questions and issues lie within the reasons for these calls as well as what was the reactions that followed the 20 calls from Ron’s phone to Misty’s that were met with no answer/no response..How did he react and what exactly were those reactions and who was it that was privy to seeing Ron’s reaction or hearing what was Ron’s reaction to Misty’s phone powered off and unable to reach her..
- For whatever reasons I do feel that most likely this is a fact that occurred in this case[esp. with the revised number of it being 20 calls placed]and I find it to be of extreme importance to discern exactly what was the situation at hand the night of Feb 9th that had Ron making this flurry of calls..why they were avoided by Misty and most importantly what were Ron’s reactions to her not answering and instead having her phone powered off..I mean FGS this girl was in charge of his two children as well as she had just gotten her azz back from a drug fueled sex binge with another dude I’d say that any man would be leary of trusting her after such having just happened[and not just Ron but any man period]and would not react well to when attempting to reach his “girlfriend” whom is in care of his young children she not only is not answering but she even has her cell completely powered off..This just has never set right with me..If indeed this occurred as described above then it leads to the second part and IMO most important part of this issue of concern that I have and that is in explaining that if it is indeed fact that RC could not reach Misty for 20 something calls and that she’d powered off her phone therefor he had no clue if she or even his two young children were even there in the home and were they even ok if were found to be at the MH..
It is from here that it is again dire of important to know some very simple yet for absolute certain answers to those questions in order for things even to begin to be made sense of IMO.{ and let me add in here that these answers to these questions as stated are very simple in nature as well as would be their responses to and their accurate and definitive answers to these questions all very simple and simple to obtain as well as verify “by LE” all of this easily discerned and answered..yet for you and I we have no way of finding out these answers and certainly have no way of proving any of the answers that we may believe that we “know” the answers to from just the following of this case..so IMO LE would indeed already have these answers } ..
So the dire of importance issue that needs to be known is did Ronald infact call in someone else when he could not reach Misty in those 20 calls to her cell to which it was apparent her cell was powered off?? My common sense opinion would be that definitely he called someone else in to see if they knew Misty and his children’s whereabouts and if they did not to ask for assistance from this person in finding out their whereabouts and that they were all ok.. My problem is that not only do I not believe a word from Tommy’s mouth but more important to me is that I do not personally believe for one moment that the person that Ron would chose to call in for help/assistance would ever be Tommy Croslin..They hated one another long prior to Haleigh’s case arising and the tensions had long since been there with the most recent of events imo occurring between Ron and Joe and Tommy’s hatred/dislike for Ron only becoming more intense from the fighting between his cousin and Ronald Cummings..again making for the most likeliest of scenarios it NOT BEING TOMMY CROSLIN THAT RONALD WOULD CALL TO HELP HIM OUT..much much more likely would be the brother within whom he had formed a bond of sorts with Timmy..IMO if Ronald chose to call any of the Croslins for help/assistance in to what was going on that night I feel for certain it would have been Timmy that was called..
But did a call to Timmy take place? Did the call get answered by Chelsea? These are the important things that I need to know that IMO make all the difference in the world…Was it Annette that Ron called for help??Is this the true/accurate real reason for Grandma coming by that night between 7-8pm? Or was there someone else called in??These are answers we don’t know but I feel certain LE does know..
But if Ronald did not make calls for help/assistance that nite after he could not reach Misty or if he was unsuccessful in reaching anyone for help then my most important of issue is the fact that Ron so very lacksadaisically moseys on home from work stopping by some kangaroo convenient store for smokes..nuts…and beer..seemingly without a care in the world or of any concern.. I just would really like to know the truth of what were the real goings ons that night and morning so that I may have a better grasp of how things happened..This IMO would be so very telling if we had these answers..And the only thing that has sufficed my ill feelings of this was the fact as I stated above that any LE agency in investigating this case would have certainly have found these much needed answers to these above questions..As I also said this would be extremely simple for LE not only to have the answers but to also have proof backing those answers..That til now has been enough for me in believing that LE had these answers and that they must somehow make sense given the answers and knowledge that we do not have to make sense of these issues..
But now I am extremely concerned as to the integrity of this investigation and its investigators..are these questions answered?? Are they?? Because my fear now is that they are not and of they are not well..then I hae a huge problem with these issues because they do not "jive" with the actions of ppl who are NOT INVOLVED IN HALEIGH'S DISAPPEARANCE..
*sorry so very long but just 2 major issues that have been weighing greatly on my mind..
