Germanwings Airbus crash 24 March #1

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Emirates57, what is the theory of you and your aviation counterparts?

The majority are waiting on more information to be uncovered. So that being said with what they have at the moment would reflect Pilot suicide. Our ex ATC guy mentioned that it was a controlled descent.
 
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My gears are turning and thinking. It was a relatively short flight for the pilot to be using the restroom really. I often fly with front ends who never step foot out unless it's an over 4 hour flight. I mean they were on the ground less than an hour beforehand in Barcelona and could have "gone" then. Plus they would have known the back end would be in the middle of a busy service time. Most are considerate and don't "get in our way" unless they really have to. It was a pretty big gamble for one to assume that the other would head out of the deck at all during the flight. What was the "plan" I wonder to assure that one would even be able to take control of the aircraft during that particular flight? I suppose one could have sent the other out to check on something or retrieve something.. Random thoughts of a racing mind.
 
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Emirates57, what is the theory of you and your aviation counterparts?

The majority are waiting for my information to be revealed. Working with what is out their at the moment their thoughts would be Pilot suicide. Our ex ATC guy said that it was a controlled descent.
 
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Emirates57, what is the theory of you and your aviation counterparts?

The majority are waiting for my information to be revealed. Working with what is out their at the moment their thoughts would be Pilot suicide. Our ex ATC guy said that it was a controlled descent.
 
  • #405
There is room for it outside the cockpit. Why not have the wall on the other side and include it as part of the cockpit?

Because they have to have so many bathrooms for so many seats on the airplane. So to take one bathroom and make it be exclusive for the use of the crew would take the available number of bathrooms for the passengers below the acceptable number of available bathrooms.
 
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There is room for it outside the cockpit. Why not have the wall on the other side and include it as part of the cockpit?

Because they have to have so many bathrooms for so many seats on the airplane. So to take one bathroom and make it be exclusive for the use of the crew would take the available number of bathrooms for the passengers below the acceptable number of available bathrooms.
 
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I've read on a pilot forum that the standard protocol for one pilot to leave the cockpit, the one remaining puts his oxygen mask on? Also saw it on twitter.

The pilot forum was mentioning it has happened that the O2 was bad.

Emirates57 or Gina set me straight. tia
I'm unable to be certain about German Wings SOP's ...however with us there is no requirement todon oxy masks. The point being you wouldn't want to use your oxygen in a situation whereby it wasn't warranted, and have a limited supply for when it was necessary. My thoughts and others suggest that this would not have happened. As for the oxy being bad - I just couldn't see this happening at all - unless they filled it with medical grade oxy and not aviation oxy - even still - the "bad oxy" doesn't add up.
 
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I've read on a pilot forum that the standard protocol for one pilot to leave the cockpit, the one remaining puts his oxygen mask on? Also saw it on twitter.

The pilot forum was mentioning it has happened that the O2 was bad.

Emirates57 or Gina set me straight. tia
I'm unable to be certain about German Wings SOP's ...however with us there is no requirement todon oxy masks. The point being you wouldn't want to use your oxygen in a situation whereby it wasn't warranted, and have a limited supply for when it was necessary. My thoughts and others suggest that this would not have happened. As for the oxy being bad - I just couldn't see this happening at all - unless they filled it with medical grade oxy and not aviation oxy - even still - the "bad oxy" doesn't add up.
 
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Hey, if there's about 8 or so posts that finally show up here of the same thing, ha ha, it's because it isn't posting that I can see. WS is having some problems it appears.
 
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I wonder if the two pilots have ever flown together before?
Are pilots assigned by the airlines in some sort of order or is it a pick and choose which flight they want and who they want to fly with?

I don't think the pilots have any say who they fly with. I remember during the MH370 mess that there was a lot of speculation that the pilots could have gotten in a fight because they were polar opposites. The pilot was angry and bitter about politics and life in general and the co-pilot was a happy, young, pro-government guy who had an easy life where a lot of things were just handed to him.
 
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A theory, based on some things I read about the "suicide pilot" of Egyptian Air Flight 900: What if a terrorist organization contacted an airline pilot and threatened to kill all of his family members unless he "suicides" on a certain flight that they name?

What if these terrorists show the airline pilot photographs they have taken of each of his family members - his wife, his children at their schools, his brothers, his sisters, his parents

And these terrorists tell him: "Even if you contact police, you will never find us, and we will still kill your family members. If you crash the plane, we will not harm your family."

I know it sounds like a Tom Clancy novel. But isn't life getting to be more and more like a Tom Clancy novel nowadays?

Egypt Air pilot was 59 years old, came from a socially prominent and wealthy family. He had a military background and had flown as a pilot in two wars. After that he taught aviation while in the military. Then went to work for Egypt Air. He had five children, two boys in college, one of whom was scheduled to be married in two months. He had a 10 yr. old daughter who suffered from lupus and was being treated in the U.S. He owned a villa outside of Cairo and a beach house. He was about to retire in about 6 mo. or so and was entitled to a generous retirement package from Egypt Air. He was known within his family as being the patriarch and helped many family members in terms of being supportive to them, including financially. His family members each said he was one of the last people they eve thought would commit suicide.

A rumor that went around, denied by Air Egypt, is that he had been involved in the sexual harassment of a maid at the hotel he stayed at while on layover in New York. As the rumor goes, he was told that he would not be allowed to fly into the U.S. ever again and/or he would be fired.

Quite frankly, I would find it hard to believe that Air Egypt would fire or even officially reprimand a senior male pilot for harassing a maid. And this was in 1999! I think it more likely that the members of the Air Egypt good-old-boys pilot club would laugh at him. It surely does not sound like something that would lead him to take a planeload of people down.

And this guy said a prayer prior to changing the controls of the plane, and again said the prayer another 9 times during the final descent into the ocean.


If this current crash turns out to be a pilot suicide, it needs to be looked at very, very carefully.
 
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Too many of these planes crashing or being off course and lost. So worried about hackers hacking in to control planes. Experimenting with terrorist acts using planes, perhaps, or do I simply have a vivid imagination? Have a son working in cyber security...
 
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A theory, based on some things I read about the "suicide pilot" of Egyptian Air Flight 900: What if a terrorist organization contacted an airline pilot and threatened to kill all of his family members unless he "suicides" on a certain flight that they name?

What if these terrorists show the airline pilot photographs they have taken of each of his family members - his wife, his children at their schools, his brothers, his sisters, his parents

And these terrorists tell him: "Even if you contact police, you will never find us, and we will still kill your family members. If you crash the plane, we will not harm your family."

I know it sounds like a Tom Clancy novel. But isn't life getting to be more and more like a Tom Clancy novel nowadays?

Egypt Air pilot was 59 years old, came from a socially prominent and wealthy family. He had a military background and had flown as a pilot in two wars. After that he taught aviation while in the military. Then went to work for Egypt Air. He had five children, two boys in college, one of whom was scheduled to be married in two months. He had a 10 yr. old daughter who suffered from lupus and was being treated in the U.S. He owned a villa outside of Cairo and a beach house. He was about to retire in about 6 mo. or so and was entitled to a generous retirement package from Egypt Air. He was known within his family as being the patriarch and helped many family members in terms of being supportive to them, including financially. His family members each said he was one of the last people they eve thought would commit suicide.

A rumor that went around, denied by Air Egypt, is that he had been involved in the sexual harassment of a maid at the hotel he stayed at while on layover in New York. As the rumor goes, he was told that he would not be allowed to fly into the U.S. ever again and/or he would be fired.

Quite frankly, I would find it hard to believe that Air Egypt would fire or even officially reprimand a senior male pilot for harassing a maid. And this was in 1999! I think it more likely that the members of the Air Egypt good-old-boys pilot club would laugh at him. It surely does not sound like something that would lead him to take a planeload of people down.

And this guy said a prayer prior to changing the controls of the plane, and again said the prayer another 9 times during the final descent into the ocean.


If this current crash turns out to be a pilot suicide, it needs to be looked at very, very carefully.

Too many questionable suicides. I really believe that the plane lost computer control.
 
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This comment: "But what is sure is that at the very end of the flight, the other pilot is alone and does not open the door.", makes me think the pilot in the cockpit is doing something, saying prayers, or something that indicates he is still alive. It doesn't make any sense though. It is beyond cruel to keep flying for 10 minutes and let everybody outside the door suffer like that. Unbelievable.
 
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I had a thought. Re:needing to use the facilities on a short flight. Was something given to him pre-flight by the pilot? For instance a laxative brownie, knowing that it would kick in, in about an hour? Or.
Did the co-pilot do something to render the pilot unconscious BEFORE he left the clock pit? Perhaps the co-pilot was the person committing suicide. Once the door closed there is no turning back! Just a thought. Moo
 
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Emirates57, what is the theory of you and your aviation counterparts?

Hi Zuri…..most are staying tight lipped until more information is revealed ….however if they had to make an assumption thus far it would be Pilot suicide. All the Pilots are saying that it was a controlled descent as well.
 
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...et-BA-planes-latest-issue-house-magazine.html

By MAIL FOREIGN SERVICE and DAN BLOOM FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 07:15 EST, 28 December 2014 | UPDATED: 20:15 EST, 28 December 2014

Hi Jersey!!!

Was wondering where you were! I dont know, for some reason even with the last 8 hours of "revelations" never "went" terrorism, but food for thought France is certainly moving up on there list it seems....................................scary world
 
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