Germany/Portugal - Christian Brueckner, 27 @ time of 1st crime (2004), charged with sexual assault crimes, Praia de Rocha, Portugal. #5

[Anxala]

Sure but ultimately he was just the face of it. He was not the lead prosecutor for the trial, and does not run the Braunschweig Prosecutors' Office - so presumably his bosses signed off on all this.

^ But yet there at the forefront of interviews in the aftermath of the tria?

You'd think the lead prosecutor or at least one of the prosecution team members would be the ones that would be doing the main PR interviews post trial at this stage.

 

[Mex]

She has every right to talk about her trial experience and express her disappointment with it. It's her trauma, she can do whatever she needs to do to express that if it helps her come out the other side of it and put it behind her so she can move forward and get on with her life. Let's not police that.

She should leave MM out of it though as her experience has nothing to do with MM and invoking MM in these interviews - as if it's a given, a known fact that she shares something with MM - is really not a road down which she should be travelling.

It's emotion-led and has no basis in fact.

“You are not a victim for sharing your story. You are a survivor setting the world on fire with your truth.” HB

You are so right regarding the courage shown by HB not withstanding the physical battering inflicted on her in 2004 the result of which saw her being hospitalised for four days, but also the psychological battering she sustained in the Braunschweig court which by all accounts was quite extraordinary.

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HB, who has no release date from the memories that haunt her, was described by the judge as a “credible” witness.

She would be unlikely to use such positive terms to describe her experience in court.

“Tense”, “testy” and “excruciating” is how the media put it.

Prosecutor U L accused the court of “putting the witnesses on trial”

At one point, the judge asked her why the ex-boyfriend, J C, said she was making it all up – as though the word of a man who wasn’t there then, isn’t here now, and who told her he would “spend the rest of his life talking bad about” her – might carry more weight than hers.

Jennifer O'Connell: Hazel Behan and Gisèle Pelicot are not victims, but survivors setting the world on fire with their truth

Heroic women have begun pushing back, refusing to carry a shame that was never theirs

www.irishtimes.com

Where you have totally lost me is in your closing assessment of HB in relation to MM.
Certainly being at a disadvantage of not knowing to which interviews you are referencing doesn't help. One can only say that of the HB interviews looked at - all without exception are fact based and certainly caused no offence.

 

[Mex]

^ But yet there at the forefront of interviews in the aftermath of the tria?

You'd think the lead prosecutor or at least one of the prosecution team members would be the ones that would be doing the main PR interviews post trial at this stage.

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Until it is decided if there is to be an appeal or not I doubt very much if we will hear anything further from either the defence or the prosecution.

 

[tedtink]

^ But yet there at the forefront of interviews in the aftermath of the tria?

You'd think the lead prosecutor or at least one of the prosecution team members would be the ones that would be doing the main PR interviews post trial at this stage.

As discussed, at length, previously on the MM thread, HCW a Senior Public Prosecutor, is also the Press Spokesman for the Braunschweig Public Prosecutor's Office.

 

[Davieson]

I thought HCW had been promoted out of that job to head up some national crime agency. Did that not happen ?

 

[RichardKimble]

I thought HCW had been promoted out of that job to head up some national crime agency. Did that not happen ?

Was that not the Olive press that said it.

 

[RichardKimble]

I thought HCW had been promoted out of that job to head up some national crime agency. Did that not happen ?

Was that not the Olive press that said it.

“While the focus right now is on the trial in February I am still heavily involved in the Madeleine case,” said Wolters, who has recently been promoted to running a team investigating organised crime.


Paywalled.

EXCLUSIVE: Army of witnesses to testify against Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner: All you know need to know just weeks ahead of sex crimes trial - Olive Press News Spain

AN army of witnesses are queueing up to put Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner behind bars for life. The German sex offender is facing a

www.theolivepress.es

 

[tedtink]

Pressekontakte | Staatsanwaltschaft Braunschweig

 

[Anxala]

As discussed, at length, previously on the MM thread, HCW a Senior Public Prosecutor, is also the Press Spokesman for the Braunschweig Public Prosecutor's Office.

Do we know this though as a fact or are we just assuming he still has that role?

This trial outcome will have been very embarrassing for him after all his big 4-yr MM talk. His post-trial interviews seem focused much more on MM than on the findings and outcome of a trial that had nothing whatsoever to do with MM.

Making it look like his primary concern - if not actual fixation - remains him and his 4-yr long 'mission' to nail CB.

JMO.

 

[Mex]

Do we know this though as a fact or are we just assuming he still has that role?

This trial outcome will have been very embarrassing for him after all his big 4-yr MM talk. His post-trial interviews seem focused much more on MM than on the findings and outcome of a trial that had nothing whatsoever to do with MM.

Making it look like his primary concern - if not actual fixation - remains him and his 4-yr long 'mission' to nail CB.

JMO.

As you say so succinctly, ''of a trial that had nothing whatsoever to do with MM’’ it would be extraordinary should the appeal court judges not be taking a very close look indeed at exactly that fact and others leading directly from it.
You address the very salient point of a process which never wandered very far from the MM case, if indeed it did at all.

• It started with the defendant’s lawyer complaining that his client could not get a fair trial a result.
• It concluded with the presiding judge concurring with that opinion after a trial which seldom was allowed to stray from MM while totally ignoring the five serious sexual cases which should have been central to proceedings.
• The judges having apparently made a blanket decision in between times that ALL witnesses for the prosecution were mistaken if not congenital liars.

Being in ignorance of how the appeal court judges will view the points of law which governed the process carried out in the Braunschweig court I haven’t a clue which way they will decide to rule in the appeal from the prosecutors’ office made against the court’s decision.

But whatever it is the assurance is implicit that it will be based on law and not the personalities of the principals involved in or in the periphery of proceedings.

The only character which should have been considered was that of the defendant, evidence for which was given by an expert witness who was disregarded.
The character of the rape survivor was also studied in great detail when the presiding judge asked intrusive questions of her.

There is potential here for embarrassment. Not for any one individual but for a system which for example, allows a lay judge to be sworn in apparently without background checks being carried out beforehand.

My opinion

 

[frank-cole]

As you say so succinctly, ''of a trial that had nothing whatsoever to do with MM’’ it would be extraordinary should the appeal court judges not be taking a very close look indeed at exactly that fact and others leading directly from it.
You address the very salient point of a process which never wandered very far from the MM case, if indeed it did at all.

• It started with the defendant’s lawyer complaining that his client could not get a fair trial a result.
• It concluded with the presiding judge concurring with that opinion after a trial which seldom was allowed to stray from MM while totally ignoring the five serious sexual cases which should have been central to proceedings.
• The judges having apparently made a blanket decision in between times that ALL witnesses for the prosecution were mistaken if not congenital liars.

Being in ignorance of how the appeal court judges will view the points of law which governed the process carried out in the Braunschweig court I haven’t a clue which way they will decide to rule in the appeal from the prosecutors’ office made against the court’s decision.

But whatever it is the assurance is implicit that it will be based on law and not the personalities of the principals involved in or in the periphery of proceedings.

The only character which should have been considered was that of the defendant, evidence for which was given by an expert witness who was disregarded.
The character of the rape survivor was also studied in great detail when the presiding judge asked intrusive questions of her.

There is potential here for embarrassment. Not for any one individual but for a system which for example, allows a lay judge to be sworn in apparently without background checks being carried out beforehand.

My opinion

I all of this is driven by who HCW’s suspect isn’t. Feigning concern for CB plays into the former.

Some people, including ex-law enforcement have attached their theories & names to this purely to profit from it & they’ve repeated their claims for 18 years - causing so much devastation to traumatised people. If we’re going to go down the road taking issue with the length of time people have been making claims, then we should start at who’s been doing it for 18 years & not a prosecutor who’s been investigating CB for murder for 4 years. If not it just reads like pure hypocrisy.

My opinion

 

[Davieson]

The difference is that disinterested observers can think and say what they like, within the laws of libel, whereas involved professionals need to be rather more circumspect with their utterings

 

[tedtink]

Do we know this though as a fact or are we just assuming he still has that role?

Unless you believe the Braunschweig Public Prosecutors Office publishes fiction on its website (see my link above), then it is, I believe, a fact.

If we can't trust its website, maybe we need to question exactly who may have a 'fixation' regarding HCW?

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[Davieson]

Unless you believe the Braunschweig Public Prosecutors Office publishes fiction on its website (see my link above), then it is, I believe, a fact.

If we can't trust its website, maybe we need to question exactly who may have a 'fixation' regarding HCW?

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It clearly was correct when the page was written. Unfortunately there is no indication (that I can see) as to when that was.

 

[Mex]

The difference is that disinterested observers can think and say what they like, within the laws of libel, whereas involved professionals need to be rather more circumspect with their utterings

Indeed this is completely true as can be seen from the series of Australian pod casts which gave MSM the initial 2019 pointers to the suspect then under investigation by British, Portuguese and German law enforcement.

 

[Mex]

It clearly was correct when the page was written. Unfortunately there is no indication (that I can see) as to when that was.

As can be expected the site is kept up to date
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16.08.2024Minister of Justice Dr. Wahlmann visits the Braunschweig Public Prosecutor's Office

 

[Anxala]

Unless you believe the Braunschweig Public Prosecutors Office publishes fiction on its website (see my link above), then it is, I believe, a fact.

If we can't trust its website, maybe we need to question exactly who may have a 'fixation' regarding HCW?

That's fine, I was just asking if he still holds that role.

 

[frank-cole]

Indeed this is completely true as can be seen from the series of Australian pod casts which gave MSM the initial 2019 pointers to the suspect then under investigation by British, Portuguese and German law enforcement.

The problem with this case, that clearly extends into the current investigation into CB, is that the early misinformation came at the dawn of social media. That created fast & widespread misinformation. For many, it became a (unofficial) public record which isn’t subject to change.

Unfortunately when that happens it’s very hard to turn chaos into control. If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Sadly the ‘nail’ is no longer just HCW, the BKA, SY, today’s PJ, the Braunschweig prosecutors , etc. The ‘nail’ now includes the witnesses & in a few instances (shockingly) even the sexual assault victims from the trial!!!

Not at all surprising but unfortunate nonetheless.

 

[Anxala]

So, just to get back on topic (and ignoring the 'noise'), this is essentially a dead thread until we hear whether or not the prosecution's appeal re the just finished trial findings is successful or not, yes? Which won't be until sometime next year?

If they actually go ahead with an appeal, that is. Which they may not, cooler heads perhaps sensibly prevailing and realising the futility of it.

So we're essentially in limbo until then, whenever 'then' is.

 

[frank-cole]

Unless you believe the Braunschweig Public Prosecutors Office publishes fiction on its website (see my link above), then it is, I believe, a fact.

If we can't trust its website, maybe we need to question exactly who may have a 'fixation' regarding HCW?

Unless you believe the Braunschweig Public Prosecutors Office publishes fiction on its website (see my link above), then it is, I believe, a fact.

If we can't trust its website, maybe we need to question exactly who may have a 'fixation' regarding HCW?

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TBH - even the meaning of words have been argued so I’m guessing an official page on a state website is fair game………

As with their statements about CB. They have been consistent from the start - have evidence of murder. They’ve stated that as a fact, That hasn’t changed. If it had then it wouldn’t be a fact,

Anger, frustration & ‘Fixation’ on HCW is because of who his suspect isn’t.