Germany/Portugal - Christian Brueckner, 27 @ time of 1st crime (2004), charged with sexual assault crimes, Praia de Rocha, Portugal. #5

[mrjitty]

Unless there are any actual developments in this case I'm done with this.

I 'm sceptical we'll ever see charges now.

 

[frank-cole]

Unless there are any actual developments in this case I'm done with this.

I 'm sceptical we'll ever see charges now.

I think they’ve solved it. it’s just whether they have a bullet proof case.

 

[Davieson]

I think they’ve solved it. it’s just whether they have a bullet proof case.

Or indeed whether have any case at all.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

Or indeed whether have any case at all.

I know you discredit HCW and BKA eveytime but no matter how crazy he wanted to be, he would not have been allowed to proceed with a WORLD-WIDE appeal if they haven't any case at all.
No charges yes, but no matter how many turns you take, it doesn't make sense to think that there are no strong suspicions.

 

[Davieson]

I know you discredit HCW and BKA eveytime but no matter how crazy he wanted to be, he would not have been allowed to proceed with a WORLD-WIDE appeal if they haven't any case at all.
No charges yes, but no matter how many turns you take, it doesn't make sense to think that there are no strong suspicions.

I don't discredit anybody, I just don't believe without evidence and so far I've seen none.
Nothing for abduction, nothing to indicate paedophila, nothing to suggest anything.

Where is you evidence to support those things ?

 

[onemoremiletogo]

In this scenario, you need to ask “why” would the prosecutors change their public position. They have made a claim to the world that they have Madeleine McCann’s murderer. There really is nothing for them to gain by admitting they may have it wrong - embarrassment. Therefore, they’ll just leave it hanging. No charges are coming.

Change their public opinion? No, I think they will not change their public neither private opinion. They are not distrust themselves or their work. Also, no other signal or different routes (or a miracle occasional alibi!) appeared.
The question is not the trivial assumption if charges do not come, so CB is not the culprit. It's just not that really.
They know they "have" the right man.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

Sorry, duplicate post, server with recurrent issues

 

[Davieson]

That's why its important that there is a trial, so that they can prove it to be so.
Without that, it is only their belief.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

I don't discredit anybody, I just don't believe without evidence and so far I've seen none.
Nothing for abduction, nothing to indicate paedophila, nothing to suggest anything.

Where is you evidence to support those things ?

Evidence?! What things? That you discredit HCW?!
Or the evidence for the mere coincidences?! This is extensively listed here.

 

[Davieson]

Evidence?! What things? That you discredit HCW?!
Or the evidence for the mere coincidences?! This is extensively listed here.

I'm afraid coincidence doesn't wash it without proper evidence that proves he took and murdered MM.
Where is the evidence that MM was the subject of paedophilia, Where is the evidence that she was abducted ?
Basic things like that.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

I agree with you that the prosecutors think they have the right guy. I do however think that their conviction has gone from man of steel to used-car-forecourt inflatable man… I hope you can concede that they are less certain today than they were in 2020.

HCW always spoke of wanting or needing something more. He needed a clincher, forensics as a minimum but ideally the body.

Just think about it, they have put huge resources to work over a seven year period. Still no charge. There isn’t any material evidence.

Is it possible that they haven’t found the missing piece, not because they’ve been unlucky, but because they have the wrong suspect?

Although I doubt it, I am not ruling CB out as responsible for MM’s disappearance, rather I need a reason to rule him in. The prosecutors haven’t given me much confidence.

I hope you can concede that they are less certain today than they were in 2020.
No, may be even the opposite. Again, doesn't bring charges does not mean they have more doubts about the culprit. They may still have doubts about some pieces of the puzzle. Not that CB is involved.

They were not able to get something more. Less hope now but...maybe not impossible.
IMO they went unprepared/insufficient for the recent other cases.
A double-edged sword for them: they experimented all challenges of a trial (other cases) which may inhibit them towards MM, but they have the additional pressure of knowing that CB will get free in months...It seems a go or go for them. But they can't loose the ONLY chance they have.
I see very very difficult they risk "to loose" it. I see very difficult CB surviving out there. But he can't disappear prior to this puzzle is solved...

 

[Mex]

That's why its important that there is a trial, so that they can prove it to be so.
Without that, it is only their belief.

The result of the 2024 trial is not yet confirmed. CB still enjoys the privilege of the presumption of innocence until such time as the appeal court makes the decision on the prosecutors' request.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I hope you can concede that they are less certain today than they were in 2020.
No, may be even the opposite. Again, doesn't bring charges does not mean they have more doubts about the culprit. They may still have doubts about some pieces of the puzzle. Not that CB is involved.

They were not able to get something more. Less hope now but...maybe not impossible.
IMO they went unprepared/insufficient for the recent other cases.
A double-edged sword for them: they experimented all challenges of a trial (other cases) which may inhibit them towards MM, but they have the additional pressure of knowing that CB will get free in months...It seems a go or go for them. But they can't loose the ONLY chance they have.
I see very very difficult they risk "to loose" it. I see very difficult CB surviving out there. But he can't disappear prior to this puzzle is solved...

In 2020, HCW was making very regular media appearances claiming CB had murdered MM - thankfully this has now stopped even if the horse has bolted. However, the comments he has made more recently are based on “if” we charge, very different to, “We have the evidence to charge our suspect now.”

Further, they have just lost a trial for five seperate cases. These cases were investigated by the same team with much of the same evidence and several of the same witnesses.

CB remains accused and convicted in the media but no charge, after four years.

Objectively, this is proof that the prosecutor’s belief in the case is diminishing - it has to be.

Perhaps proof is not important to you but we will never get an answer to what happened to MM without it.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

I'm afraid coincidence doesn't wash it without proper evidence that proves he took and murdered MM.
Where is the evidence that MM was the subject of paedophilia, Where is the evidence that she was abducted ?
Basic things like that.

I hope they really have (very) incriminating emails.
We don't want the accused to know what we have on him. IMO to prevent him to change his story.

 

[Davieson]

I hope they really have (very) incriminating emails.
We don't want the accused to know what we have on him. IMO to prevent him to change his story.

Fine, if they have this the they'll be able to present it in court.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

In 2020, HCW was making very regular media appearances claiming CB had murdered MM - thankfully this has now stopped even if the horse has bolted. However, the comments he has made more recently are based on “if” we charge, very different to, “We have the evidence to charge our suspect now.”

Further, they have just lost a trial for five seperate cases. These cases were investigated by the same team with much of the same evidence and several of the same witnesses.

CB remains accused and convicted in the media but no charge, after four years.

Objectively, this is proof that the prosecutor’s belief in the case is diminishing - it has to be.

Perhaps proof is not important to you but we will never get an answer to what happened to MM without it.

prosecutor’s belief in the case is diminishing
Yes, maybe after what they faced during the recent trial (other cases). In fact, a reality check for them in terms of trial purposes and the real challenge of bringing effective charges and sufficient support to allow conviction.

But IMO not diminishing their belief that CB is the responsible based on what they have.
Proof is important but the search for it should have been properly investigated from the beginning and not several years later. Hard work for BKA. And what might not even be known now if the vile creature wasn't so boasty.

 

[RichardKimble]

I hope they really have (very) incriminating emails.
We don't want the accused to know what we have on him. IMO to prevent him to change his story.

Well if its supposed there's knowledge about some incriminating e mails that might exist is in the public domain then of course any one would know what they have on them but its all hypothetical.
Irrespective of charges being laid or not, CB will always be known as the one who did for MM, perfect ending.

 

[frank-cole]

Evidence?! What things? That you discredit HCW?!
Or the evidence for the mere coincidences?! This is extensively listed here.

prosecutor’s belief in the case is diminishing
Yes, maybe after what they faced during the recent trial (other cases). In fact, a reality check for them in terms of trial purposes and the real challenge of bringing effective charges and sufficient support to allow conviction.

But IMO not diminishing their belief that CB is the responsible based on what they have.
Proof is important but the search for it should have been properly investigated from the beginning and not several years later. Hard work for BKA. And what might not even be known now if the vile creature wasn't so boasty.

Change their public opinion? No, I think they will not change their public neither private opinion. They are not distrust themselves or their work. Also, no other signal or different routes (or a miracle occasional alibi!) appeared.
The question is not the trivial assumption if charges do not come, so CB is not the culprit. It's just not that really.
They know they "have" the right man.

Why is 25% of a thread about CB, trying to curtail speculation about CB?

What could possibly be the motivation?

 

[Davieson]

Why is 25% of a thread about CB, trying to curtail speculation about CB?

What could possibly be the motivation?

Probably because speculation without facts is pretty much a waste of time.

 

[frank-cole]

I hope they really have (very) incriminating emails.
We don't want the accused to know what we have on him. IMO to prevent him to change his story.

It’ll be interesting to know what detail CB gave to the police in 2013. He’ll likely have been keeping within the parameters of that story with whatever nonsense he’s been writing about inside.