Germany/Portugal - Christian Brueckner, 27 @ time of 1st crime (2004), charged with sexual assault crimes, Praia de Rocha, Portugal. #6 *Acquitted*

[Davieson]

None of you will ever be ‘won over’. Straight after I made the point, you can already see comments trying to argue a way around my hypothetical.

IMO the concrete evidence will be pictures & autobiographical. If that is true, how you guys dismiss that evidence is something you’ll have to work together to come up with.

So you say, but we're just a bit short on the actuallities at present.

 

[RichardKimble]

So from nicking diesel from tractors and getting caught, drugs related crimes , getting his old man out in the park, exposure on a beach hiding a stash of filth under a dead dog obviously for retrieval later leads some to think he's then onto the most successful first time selection, abduction, murder and disposal of a child in the history of crime so effective is he that concrete evidence cannot lead to charges, go figure.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

The direct link is known to German detectives and remains with them... The evidence shown from the box factory in the documentary is just tidbits that just show him and his obsession with the Dam, which take away the silly parents did it conspiracy is exactly where the Portuguese police should have been looking given the tip off from the criminal underworld at the time thats where she was...Just because they dont come out and blurt out what evidence they have is not a sign they have no evidence thats just backwards thinking... They are convinced 100% she is dead...murdered so read between the lines unless you just think they would lie about it... They know he did it but are lacking the p-h-y-s-i-c-a-l evidence to link him 100% ....they provably never will find the physical evidence now given that its 2025 much time has passed ... Maybe if the Portuguese police were not sniffing around the parents and writing books about them something might have been done at the time but it seems one guy had to fund his own searches of the Dam. Shame

The sign that they have no real evidence is the lack of progress to a charge in over eight years.

I think you’ve been led down the garden path by the prosecutor’s spokesperson but I don’t post messages written in a manner that if people disagree with me they must be morons.

We have differences of opinion. My view is that the Portuguese made a critical error by not charging the parents in 2008. We wouldn’t be arguing now if the parent’s and their friend’s evidence had been tested under oath and they had been found innocent.

It’s a different view, you may not like it but it doesn’t mean it’s wrong or silly. I’ve watched the documentaries, read the books, the papers, and the PJ Files, and I watched the interviews - some many times - from all this, I don’t think CB did it.

But I can still be respectful to people who think he did.

Just MOO!

 

[Denis R Tandib]

None of you will ever be ‘won over’. Straight after I made the point, you can already see comments trying to argue a way around my hypothetical.

IMO the concrete evidence will be pictures & autobiographical. If that is true, how you guys dismiss that evidence is something you’ll have to work together to come up with.

We don’t have to dismiss what hasn’t been presented. Start by showing the concrete evidence. Big noting himself to some other on the internet and suggesting he was involved would constitute “concrete” but it doesn’t mean he actually was - I think we can be certain the guy is a black belt bull$hitter!

 

[frank-cole]

We don’t have to dismiss what hasn’t been presented. Start by showing the concrete evidence. Big noting himself to some other on the internet and suggesting he was involved would constitute “concrete” but it doesn’t mean he actually was - I think we can be certain the guy is a black belt bull$hitter!

I can’t quite decipher whether that anger is directed at me, the person he was talking to on the internet, a person he might have been talking to on the internet or the prosecutors.

I can decipher that none of the anger is directed towards CB. So let’s deflect it back on course - We already know about some of the autobiographical stuff & his sick story about Maid Annelie. Unfortunately there will be a lot more of this.

A man who was in the area, has a photo of Mm deceased & bragged about the crime online.

Should that be the case, what sort of things are you going to come up with to dismiss that?

 

[frank-cole]

The sign that they have no real evidence is the lack of progress to a charge in over eight years.

I think you’ve been led down the garden path by the prosecutor’s spokesperson but I don’t post messages written in a manner that if people disagree with me they must be morons.

We have differences of opinion. My view is that the Portuguese made a critical error by not charging the parents in 2008. We wouldn’t be arguing now if the parent’s and their friend’s evidence had been tested under oath and they had been found innocent.

It’s a different view, you may not like it but it doesn’t mean it’s wrong or silly. I’ve watched the documentaries, read the books, the papers, and the PJ Files, and I watched the interviews - some many times - from all this, I don’t think CB did it.

But I can still be respectful to people who think he did.

Just MOO!

Small piece of advice - if you’re going to write or ChatGBT an eloquent piece about respect, don’t immediately follow up with something agitated & firey. Allow bigger gaps.

Out of interest & this isn’t to be argumentative, do you follow any other crime cases?

 

[onemoremiletogo]

The direct link is known to German detectives and remains with them... The evidence shown from the box factory in the documentary is just tidbits that just show him and his obsession with the Dam, which take away the silly parents did it conspiracy is exactly where the Portuguese police should have been looking given the tip off from the criminal underworld at the time thats where she was...Just because they dont come out and blurt out what evidence they have is not a sign they have no evidence thats just backwards thinking... They are convinced 100% she is dead...murdered so read between the lines unless you just think they would lie about it... They know he did it but are lacking the p-h-y-s-i-c-a-l evidence to link him 100% ....they provably never will find the physical evidence now given that its 2025 much time has passed ... Maybe if the Portuguese police were not sniffing around the parents and writing books about them something might have been done at the time but it seems one guy had to fund his own searches of the Dam. Shame

Agree.

I couldn't even classify PJ's narrative, on MM, when listened or read it for the "first time" let alone after all these years...
PJ had had also JC's case 2004 in Figueira, close to PdL. The point was that on MM, there were no freezers and they were doctors.
CB is the only suspect. And we are just spectators. It seems obvious BKA has more on him (even if not enough to charge him). Maybe they will be disclosing that info meanwhile.

 

[johnlair]

Well said.

That was shown in regards to Hazel. A lot of people questioned her account saying CB didn’t have a scar on his leg, however in the box factory finds that the judge wouldn’t allow, we could see that Hazel was absolutely right. Same goes for the masks the pics etc etc. if you took 100 randoms with no knowledge of the cases & went through this with them - very few would doubt, partly because they aren’t walking around with an agenda on their back.

There’s nothing that’ll change an alt-theorist’s mind.

Did you hear that the anti McCann gossip clubs are trying to raise money for CB’s prison fines?

You always get these wacky conspiracy theorists everywhere its problem when it overshadows a little girls life and the suffering the parents must have felt... I had my suspicions when it first happened but you look into it and its like no way... I dont really have much doubt with even the little evidence and his big track history Bruekner murdered that little girl and I also think Inga too seeing as he was parked 60 miles away the day before and knew someone who worked there....You know what gets me though Frank is in every documentary I have seen that shallow grave in the box factory is still filled in... I'd be thinking along the lines of seeing as he got in touch with the person that worked at the facility where Inga disappeared while he was in prison he probably in his cryptic way let the other guy know... Move the body and clear up the evidence because you are involved too.. he even asked one prisoner to burn the box factory down when he got out... No I would be ripping up that concrete in the shallow grave and testing underneath myself.

 

[frank-cole]

Agree.

I couldn't even classify PJ's narrative, on MM, when listened or read it for the "first time" let alone after all these years...
PJ had had also JC's case 2004 in Figueira, close to PdL. The point was that on MM, there were no freezers and they were doctors.
CB is the only suspect. And we are just spectators. It seems obvious BKA has more on him (even if not enough to charge him). Maybe they will be disclosing that info meanwhile.

Yes - freezers, flip-flops, establishments & Lisbon treaty’s aren’t my bag.

A photo of MM post abduction amongst CB’s belongings it would be by far the most credible & compelling evidence there’s ever been in this case. There’s no sensible argument to the contrary.

So if they have that, it’ll be by far strongest evidence against anybody, therefore why would somebody be motivated to believe in something immeasurably less credible?

If there’s a video of earth from space we’ll see its round,

That’s when ‘the establishment’ tends to enter the stories.

 

[johnlair]

The sign that they have no real evidence is the lack of progress to a charge in over eight years.

I think you’ve been led down the garden path by the prosecutor’s spokesperson but I don’t post messages written in a manner that if people disagree with me they must be morons.

We have differences of opinion. My view is that the Portuguese made a critical error by not charging the parents in 2008. We wouldn’t be arguing now if the parent’s and their friend’s evidence had been tested under oath and they had been found innocent.

It’s a different view, you may not like it but it doesn’t mean it’s wrong or silly. I’ve watched the documentaries, read the books, the papers, and the PJ Files, and I watched the interviews - some many times - from all this, I don’t think CB did it.

But I can still be respectful to people who think he did.

Just MOO!

Come off it ...you really believe the parents did it and not one of the other families ever spilt... Its rubbish there is zero evidence on it.. the same police beat a confession out of a woman that she had murdered her own daughter.. members of that same police force were found to be involved in trafficking... Figure it out.. you know how much that woman beater made out of his grimy little book while others were searching the dam with their own funding.. the Portuguese police at the time were criminals that is a fact.

Good thing Kate got the press involved so quickly as she too would have suffered the brutality of the police otherwise.

 

[johnlair]

Yes - freezers, flip-flops, establishments & Lisbon treaty’s aren’t my bag.

A photo of MM post abduction amongst CB’s belongings it would be by far the most credible & compelling evidence there’s ever been in this case. There’s no sensible argument to the contrary.

So if they have that, it’ll be by far strongest evidence against anybody, therefore why would somebody be motivated to believe in something immeasurably less credible?

If there’s a video of earth from space we’ll see it’s round, then along comes a flat earther believe their stacked ideas on things polar icecaps be more compelling than an image from space!

That’s when ‘the establishment’ tends to enter the stories.

They would simply say the photo was not true ...doctored or AI

 

[frank-cole]

You always get these wacky conspiracy theorists everywhere its problem when it overshadows a little girls life and the suffering the parents must have felt... I had my suspicions when it first happened but you look into it and its like no way... I dont really have much doubt with even the little evidence and his big track history Bruekner murdered that little girl and I also think Inga too seeing as he was parked 60 miles away the day before and knew someone who worked there....You know what gets me though Frank is in every documentary I have seen that shallow grave in the box factory is still filled in... I'd be thinking along the lines of seeing as he got in touch with the person that worked at the facility where Inga disappeared while he was in prison he probably in his cryptic way let the other guy know... Move the body and clear up the evidence because you are involved too.. he even asked one prisoner to burn the box factory down when he got out... No I would be ripping up that concrete in the shallow grave and testing underneath myself.

Yes & unfortunately it’ll never change. IMO the dawn of social media enabled things to spread before proper assessment was made. When that happens the wrongs things stick & in this case stay stuck.

It’s interested that after Inge’s disappearance & the crime you mentioned in the DM group, each time they look into CB quickly afterward. IMO if he was responsible for Inge’s disappearance I think the clues would be easier to find.

They’re not running a prosecution on Inge’s case but the are running one in Madeleine’s. What could possibly be the reason…..

Evidence

 

[frank-cole]

They would simply say the photo was not true ...doctored or AI

100%.

Establishment, photoshopped, government, sent by Gerry, planted, patsy, CB was sent it & coverup will be the sort of things we’ll read.

Imo this crime was a simple crime. It had a devastating outcome but it was relatively simple. “Cold case” doesn’t mean “complicated case”, assessing it like that is why people miss a trick.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I can’t quite decipher whether that anger is directed at me, the person he was talking to on the internet, a person he might have been talking to on the internet or the prosecutors.

I can decipher that none of the anger is directed towards CB. So let’s deflect it back on course - We already know about some of the autobiographical stuff & his sick story about Maid Annelie. Unfortunately there will be a lot more of this.

A man who was in the area, has a photo of Mm deceased & bragged about the crime online.

Should that be the case, what sort of things are you going to come up with to dismiss that?

There is no anger from me. You are gaslighting and acting like a troll - please stop it.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I can’t quite decipher whether that anger is directed at me, the person he was talking to on the internet, a person he might have been talking to on the internet or the prosecutors.

I can decipher that none of the anger is directed towards CB. So let’s deflect it back on course - We already know about some of the autobiographical stuff & his sick story about Maid Annelie. Unfortunately there will be a lot more of this.

A man who was in the area, has a photo of Mm deceased & bragged about the crime online.

Should that be the case, what sort of things are you going to come up with to dismiss that?

Your insistent pushing of the same hypothetical question - which has been answered - seems to be aimed at trying to infuriate people. Please move on.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Come off it ...you really believe the parents did it and not one of the other families ever spilt... Its rubbish there is zero evidence on it.. the same police beat a confession out of a woman that she had murdered her own daughter.. members of that same police force were found to be involved in trafficking... Figure it out.. you know how much that woman beater made out of his grimy little book while others were searching the dam with their own funding.. the Portuguese police at the time were criminals that is a fact.

Good thing Kate got the press involved so quickly as she too would have suffered the brutality of the police otherwise.

I am not certain either way - no one other than the offender/s can be.

Latching on to Amaral as a source for all the problems in the case is redundant. A well funded UK investigation has been running for 14 years without a result - it does not currently share the same view as the German investigation. Add the German case and I think we can deduce that no investigative team finds the case easy.

Please understand that most of the posters here are not necessarily blaming the parents. It’s more a case of not believing the allegations from the German prosecutor’s media frenzy.

We have seen the standard of evidence they put forward in the rape trial - the judge was scathing about it.

You believe what you want but please don’t dismiss those of us who are not taken in by the German team’s narrative - all it is so far is a story. Is it fiction or fact? Only time will tell.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

You always get these wacky conspiracy theorists everywhere its problem when it overshadows a little girls life and the suffering the parents must have felt... I had my suspicions when it first happened but you look into it and its like no way... I dont really have much doubt with even the little evidence and his big track history Bruekner murdered that little girl and I also think Inga too seeing as he was parked 60 miles away the day before and knew someone who worked there....You know what gets me though Frank is in every documentary I have seen that shallow grave in the box factory is still filled in... I'd be thinking along the lines of seeing as he got in touch with the person that worked at the facility where Inga disappeared while he was in prison he probably in his cryptic way let the other guy know... Move the body and clear up the evidence because you are involved too.. he even asked one prisoner to burn the box factory down when he got out... No I would be ripping up that concrete in the shallow grave and testing underneath myself.

Yes. Obviously CB is not the responsible for all disappearances of children in Portugal, Germany and Europe. But, in JC e Inga cases, CB also seemed to have been close by. No proof he was involved, but also no clear "rule out", there is always something potentially suspicious.

If he really will go out in Sep, I wouldn't be surprised if more of the circumstantial evidence will come to public. And the major one they may have. Maybe not all together but drop by drop.

 

[johnlair]

I am not certain either way - no one other than the offender/s can be.

Latching on to Amaral as a source for all the problems in the case is redundant. A well funded UK investigation has been running for 14 years without a result - it does not currently share the same view as the German investigation. Add the German case and I think we can deduce that no investigative team finds the case easy.

Please understand that most of the posters here are not necessarily blaming the parents. It’s more a case of not believing the allegations from the German prosecutor’s media frenzy.

We have seen the standard of evidence they put forward in the rape trial - the judge was scathing about it.

You believe what you want but please don’t dismiss those of us who are not taken in by the German team’s narrative - all it is so far is a story. Is it fiction or fact? Only time will tell.

So do the british police think the parents are involved.... This thread is about CB and the investigation into him not Gerry..

The court case was a shambles because the cases are Historic and hard to prove.. At the end of the day you cant do much more than what happened in the court to the kid being forced to demonstrate masturbation or have Hazel sat directly opposite CB eye to eye as she told the horrific details of what happened... CBs defence team are a mob... The judge was taken in by FF charm but yes the prosecution should have taken more time ...but without videos ...without dna ...cctv .. its very difficult to prove a Historic crime which it is now.. still doesn't mean because he got off with it hes innocent... The conspiracy theorists are acting like their team scored a goal.. its a bit weird when we know hes a ped ... Hes a disgusting human being.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

So do the british police think the parents are involved.... This thread is about CB and the investigation into him not Gerry..

The court case was a shambles because the cases are Historic and hard to prove.. At the end of the day you cant do much more than what happened in the court to the kid being forced to demonstrate masturbation or have Hazel sat directly opposite CB eye to eye as she told the horrific details of what happened... CBs defence team are a mob... The judge was taken in by FF charm but yes the prosecution should have taken more time ...but without videos ...without dna ...cctv .. its very difficult to prove a Historic crime which it is now.. still doesn't mean because he got off with it hes innocent... The conspiracy theorists are acting like their team scored a goal.. its a bit weird when we know hes a ped ... Hes a disgusting human being.

It has been acknowledged by almost everyone on this forum that CB is an abhorrent character - that’s beyond doubt. What is rightfully being questioned by me and other posters is f he is responsible for abducting and murdering MM - as aledged.

There is no evidence to support the theory that MM was abducted. Whether she was or not continues to be moot. The Germans, so far, have shown nothing that implicates CB in her murder. Therefore, if you accept that MM was taken and killed by CB, you are forming your belief exclusively on the word of the Braunschweig Prosecutor’s spokesperson - you simply believe what he has said because there is nothing else.

considering this, let’s look at your assertion that people who choose to question what HCW has said are conspiracy theorists. Please explain when a theory becomes a conspiracy. What you are putting forward has no factual basis - it’s just what you think.

I call you an independent thinker. Why do you denigrate people with different views and call them conspiracists?

 

[Chiatos]

There is no evidence to support the theory that MM was abducted.

There is all the evidence in the world: a very young child who disappeared into thin air and who was not found back anywhere outside the building or in the streets surrounding the building.

There have been other cases of very young children wandering off by themselves at night and they have all been found back. Most of them within 1-2 km from their home. They were found back either dead or alive. Those who -unfortunately- were found back dead, had been residing in wild territory, in the mountains or in forests where they could not survive on their own.
Madeleine had not resided in the wild, she was staying at the friendly, cosy town of Praia da Luz.