NOT GUILTY Germany/Portugal - Christian Brueckner, 27 @ time of 1st crime (2004), charged with sexual assault crimes, Praia de Rocha, Portugal. #6

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Interesting , I’m not sure if this an early indication of a failing of the appeal . Or as Hazel has already said due to the appalling way the defence treated her in the last trial she did not want to go through it all again in Braunschweig, though she said she would on behalf of other victims of rape . It could well be she thinks the ECHR would treat her case with more compassion and decency . She’s spot on about how the PJ treated the forensic evidence and overall handling of the case.
 
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I’m struck by Hazel’s bravery and that she’s comitted to supporting and protecting other survivors of sexual crimes.

It is not surprising to see others raise concerns about the failings of the PJ from that time and it brings a grounding reminder of how poorly the McCann investigation was handled.

Hazel shouldn’t be treated as a saboteur to an agenda & I hope we don’t start to see childish smears of Hazel’s character pop up again.

In regards to CB, this highlights the shortcomings that ultimately led to him winning in court, it also indicates the appeal won’t be successful.
 
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Interesting , I’m not sure if this an early indication of a failing of the appeal . Or as Hazel has already said due to the appalling way the defence treated her in the last trial she did not want to go through it all again in Braunschweig, though she said she would on behalf of other victims of rape . It could well be she thinks the ECHR would treat her case with more compassion and decency . She’s spot on about how the PJ treated the forensic evidence and overall handling of the case.
Imo - it’s possibly an indication the appeal will fail. It also helps (after the fact) justify the judges decision. Whether this ECHR case will put pressure back on current proceedings is intriguing.

I don’t think this action is a retaliation of the current verdict, I think Hazel bringing a case against the PJ (from that time) was inevitable. The only thing missing from her abhorrent treatment & the terrible investigation was a phantom freezer being involved. That’s the level of madness that ran policing at those times.
 
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Before the McCanns went down the route of ECHR all domestic remedies had to have been exhausted, have they or were they here?
 
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How many officers does £108,000 get?


The mirror says it's a huge boost.

The Germans still haven't revealed how they know she is dead.


Police in three countries are in a desperate race against the clock to find evidence against Brueckner.

Detectives appear no closer to proving he abducted and killed Madeleine - despite claiming they have proof she is dead.

Kate and Gerry, from Rothley, Leics, still believe their daughter is alive and say they will never give up hope of being reunited with her.



 
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Before the McCanns went down the route of ECHR all domestic remedies had to have been exhausted, have they or were they here?
The circumstances are somewhat different.
In the case of the McCanns, they were out to 'get' Amaral and the ECHR was their last opportunity, having failed in the Portuguese Domestic courts.
HB seems to be complaining about police procedure, rather than an individual, so perhaps she doesn't need to go through the Portuguese courts.
 
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The circumstances are somewhat different.
In the case of the McCanns, they were out to 'get' Amaral and the ECHR was their last opportunity, having failed in the Portuguese Domestic courts.
HB seems to be complaining about police procedure, rather than an individual, so perhaps she doesn't need to go through the Portuguese courts.
Charles De-Menezes mum went through the UK courts first before going to the echr ,as another example but we're not lawyers so can only comment on what we know.



If a person wishes to bring a case before the ECHR for a violation of their rights, they must first exhaust all available domestic remedies.

This condition is essential to ensure compliance with the principle of subsidiarity in the European Convention on Human Rights, which states that States parties must protect human rights at national level before resorting to international bodies.
 
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Hmmm article 8 right to a private life, we know of a couple who went that route but failed.

Doesn't 'private life' here refer specifically to a person's sex life in the context of her rape? That she had a bf at the time and it was callously and disgracefully used against her by the PJ at the time of her rape as to her so-called 'character'.

She's absolutely right to bring attention to this abject failure on both the PJ's part and that of the German defense/judges during her time on the Braunschweig stand where she was so disrespectfully judged, yet again.
 
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Doesn't 'private life' here refer specifically to a person's sex life in the context of her rape? That she had a bf at the time and it was callously and disgracefully used against her by the PJ at the time of her rape as to her so-called character.

She's absolutely right to bring attention to this abject failure on both the PJ's part and also during her time on the Braunschweig stand.
Quite possibly , the bf also gave evidence in the recent trial or at least a statement from him was read .
 
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Quite possibly , the bf also gave evidence in the recent trial or at least a statement from him was read .

That's the point though, that they used a statement - a statement! - by him to try to undermine her and cast doubt over her account of rape by a stranger claims.

So wrong on every level.
 
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I need to correct myself here. I used the term 'claims' above, as if I was also casting doubt on her. Testimony is what I meant. Her testimony.

For those that are side-eyeing her because of her insistence that CB was the person who raped her, please just take CB out of the equation and see and empathise with her testimony as that of someone who was viciously raped by someone unknown and then further 'raped' by those whose job it was/is to protect and believe rape victims.

Please don't let the former get in the way of the latter.
 
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Behind paywall.Talks of a 680 page appeal by the prosecutors, the reporter writes that if the judges made no legal errors then the aquitall will stand.

 
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680 pages? Must have used very small pages or a very large font size.
 
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680 pages more than the PJ of 2007 had on CB
 
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680 pages more than the PJ of 2007 had on CB
It's not new it's an appeal arguing court procedures so those 680 pages couldn't convict CB of 5 crimes .The author writes if the judges made no legal errors then the aquital stands.

In regards to MM HCW is quoted as saying they still receive info, most of it is not specific to CB , there is no end in sight nor is the result of the investigation.
 
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680 pages more than the PJ of 2007 had on CB
There’s a bit of flapping about this in some of the gossip clubs. Tbh - the file pre-charging was heavy & it didn’t meet the mark, so a bulky file may not end up in heartbreak for antis. Apparently the MM file is thousands of pages long.

In regards to MM case. Looking at some of the efforts people have gone to with the blogs, the websites etc etc etc etc - it is extensive. An hour of reading is migraine inducing. Bless’em! They’ve put so much effort into this theory of theirs. It would be admirable if it wasn’t so juvenile & myopic.

“How dare 2 men in suits have the audacity to come along & say things that contradict all the work I’ve done… I can’t relent I’ve done so much - c’mon guys let’s fight back (followed by giggling emojis, bicep emojis & love hearts).
 
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