NOT GUILTY Germany/Portugal - Christian Brueckner, 27 @ time of 1st crime (2004), charged with sexual assault crimes, Praia de Rocha, Portugal. #6

[frank-cole]

Smithy is the key, always has been.

I always thought it would either be

A - evidence of murder - e.g - forensics, pictures, videos

Or

B - Jane’s flip-flops

Levels

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Scar on leg
Guns
Story about drugging, abducting & taking a young girl into a house to assault her “paradise” he said
Pictures of blond haired girls madeleines age
Chemicals - lots of them
Sat nav showing movement to dam
Address book with numbers & locations
Another story about assault a little blond girl
Picture of him at the dam (looks like a glove or a hand injury)
Picture of him at the dam (naked top half shown) where he’s attempted to draw a mask over his face
Metal safe with images, USB’s & writings
75 little girls swimsuits
Pink bikes & other little girl toys
Confirmation he was at orgiva when the alleged confession was made (there’s more confirmations of this that’ll come out soon)
Other extracts from communication to another paedophile
Images of him posing naked at the dam
Self made mask

And many more.

I find it so bizarre people are still dogmatically resisting anything related to CB & MM, especially when it’s this extensive.

Looking on social media - the main reason for this is ego, stubbornness & a sense of identity within an unsavoury community.

That won’t change. Some people design spaceships others fix stolen cars. Polar opposites exist everywhere in society.

That said - I hope everyone is enjoying the nice UK weather

People are not resisting the CB/MM connection, there just doesn’t seem to be one.

It’s been posted many times the HeB is the link - what else of substance is there?

HeB is also a criminal and he can provide no proof that CB abducted MM.

I think it prudent to be sceptical about CB being responsible for any crime against MM. Thinking otherwise is as you say, dogmatic.

 

[frank-cole]

People are not resisting the CB/MM connection, there just doesn’t seem to be one.

It’s been posted many times the HeB is the link - what else of substance is there?

HeB is also a criminal and he can provide no proof that CB abducted MM.

I think it prudent to be sceptical about CB being responsible for any crime against MM. Thinking otherwise is as you say, dogmatic.

If I agreed with you we’d both be wrong.

The detail that came out today is extensive & such a wave of circumstantial evidence. HB was specific in his testimony & the location of the alleged conversation - very specific. They have CB at that location.

Most sceptical people would absorb the new information & find some credibility in it. People with an agenda will do anything to dismiss it & they’ll be doing that all over social media today.

There’s a big difference between being a rational sceptic & being a long term anti McCann. Anybody can tell the difference.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

If I agreed with you we’d both be wrong.

The detail that came out today is extensive & such a wave of circumstantial evidence. HB was specific in his testimony & the location of the alleged conversation - very specific. They have CB at that location.

Most sceptical people would absorb the new information & find some credibility in it. People with an agenda will do anything to dismiss it & they’ll be doing that all over social media today.

There’s a big difference between being a rational sceptic & being a long term anti McCann. Anybody can tell the difference.

Attending a festival is not a crime. It doesn’t prove any crime was committed or even that any confession - not even a weak one - was spoken.

It is possible to be a paedophile and simultaneously not responsible for a specific abduction.

Being sceptical about CB does not make someone “anti-McCann” whatever that means.

More than five years ago, a naive German prosecution team exclaimed that their prisoner was guilty of murdering MM. Since then, they haven’t managed to convict him for anything, nor even obtain any evidence to charge him for any crime against MM.

Based on the farce that has occurred since the German involvement, I don’t think I’m being sceptical, I’m being rational.

If you think visiting dams and being in possession of kids swimming costumes is evidence that CB murdered MM, that’s your choice. But you are flogging a dead horse if you want me to agree.

 

[FromGermany1]

'Deeply Concerning' Hard Drive Belonging to Madeleine McCann Abduction Suspect Suggests She's Dead: Report

Madeleine McCann, 3, went missing in 2007

people.com

 

[RichardKimble]

I always thought it would either be

A - evidence of murder - e.g - forensics, pictures, videos

Or

B - Jane’s flip-flops

Levels

At least there was no mention of an open window, whoosing curtains or broken shutters.

 

[RichardKimble]

I think we can all agree that CB is some kind of sick individual and prison is the rightful place for him, the Germans had a chance to keep him there but their evidence was obviously lacking in the trial.

That doesn't make him responsible for what ever befell MM, nothing in the docu came close to addressing that, he was in Luz, so what others were, OG talked of 600 sexual deviants at one time, shock horror a phone call was made, he's the only one using a phone ? his transferring ownership of the Jag means nothing the car was traced ,no forensic link.An alleged sentence of "She didn't scream" is supposed to be some kind of confession?

The answer is/ was not laying in a German building, all of which was unearthed in 2016, so 9 years on from that with no charges in sight at the 20th year since MM disappeared in as yet unexplained circumstances means we'll be back here next May discussing the same imo.

 

[RichardKimble]

Help!

German cops probing Maddie case 'plead to Met for help' before prime suspect walks free from prison​

German investigators leading the probe into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann are urgently calling on the Metropolitan Police to revive their investigation.

They have issued a stark warning that their prime suspect, convicted paedophile Christian Brueckner, could soon walk free from prison.

German cops probing Maddie case 'plead to Met for help'

The materials, unearthed at a disused box factory in Germany , include a vile catalogue of depraved documents, children's clothing, small bikes and kids toys.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Lilly b]

Not sure y’all will be able to fight for the cause on this one. The pictures tell a harrowing story & it’s clear they’re from the box factory.

Did you see the photo of the scar on CB’s upper right leg?

Looked like he had fishnet stockings on, or is that just me ?

 

[frank-cole]

Looked like he had fishnet stockings on, or is that just me ?

Yes - I think Diane & Hazel mentioned stockings. Will check if HeB & Manfred did.

 

[frank-cole]

Help!

German cops probing Maddie case 'plead to Met for help' before prime suspect walks free from prison​

German investigators leading the probe into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann are urgently calling on the Metropolitan Police to revive their investigation.

They have issued a stark warning that their prime suspect, convicted paedophile Christian Brueckner, could soon walk free from prison.

German cops probing Maddie case 'plead to Met for help'

The materials, unearthed at a disused box factory in Germany , include a vile catalogue of depraved documents, children's clothing, small bikes and kids toys.

www.dailymail.co.uk

That would be best case for this. But this reeks of a tabloid article with little behind it.

 

[Niner]

Maybe more time for the BKA

Prime Madeleine McCann suspect facing fresh charges - and more prison time

Christian Brueckner's release could be delayed after he was charged with offences against prison staff at the German jail where he is serving time for a rape sentence

www.mirror.co.uk

So - do you all want me to do information on these next court hearings? May 15th for the prison guard thing & then another rape case trial in July..... [say no]!

 

[TheRockingRev]

One thing that this may also hinge on is what the police discovered in the files they discovered at the property.
They are saying that this is the reason they believe MM is dead. If that is the case then obviously there is something deeply disturbing upon what they found.
And this is the crux point - we're in 2025, but even to this day with all of the unsavoury aspects of the internet that we know, society still wouldn't be able to accept what could be on those files. To release what they have found would open a Pandoras Box that would shock and appal.
We think of news outlets being salacious, and not having any scruples - but there is so much that is not reported in crime cases, because it goes beyond what can be shared.

 

[Trivento]

I saw J.Clarke talking on a podcast earlier today .. he said memory sticks found at box factory might not be legally admissible again , in future , as per German system .
Files found on a camera at CB kiosk were also found in haul at box factory .
Kiosk files were used in CB conviction for abuse of young daughter ( 5 yrs old ) of his friend and files from same group / stash cannot be used again in another separate trial..
Am not sure if such an exclusion would also apply to any MM related info on a separate hard drive though..?
That’s what I inferred from what JC was saying anyway..

 

[Denis R Tandib]

One thing that this may also hinge on is what the police discovered in the files they discovered at the property.
They are saying that this is the reason they believe MM is dead. If that is the case then obviously there is something deeply disturbing upon what they found.
And this is the crux point - we're in 2025, but even to this day with all of the unsavoury aspects of the internet that we know, society still wouldn't be able to accept what could be on those files. To release what they have found would open a Pandoras Box that would shock and appal.
We think of news outlets being salacious, and not having any scruples - but there is so much that is not reported in crime cases, because it goes beyond what can be shared.

It’s not reported because a) he hasn’t been charged, and b) perhaps there is nothing to report other than what has already been leaked: 8,000 images, 100 of which were taken by or have CB as a subject, some of these include him performing weird sex acts upon himself.

If there were incriminating images with MM as a subject he would have been charged and we would have a verdict by now.

The 8,000 images contain depraved images and this is a crime. However, no matters the nature of the acts, I think we can be sure they are not direct evidence of a crime against MM.

 

[TheRockingRev]

It’s not reported because a) he hasn’t been charged, and b) perhaps there is nothing to report other than what has already been leaked: 8,000 images, 100 of which were taken by or have CB as a subject, some of these include him performing weird sex acts upon himself.

If there were incriminating images with MM as a subject he would have been charged and we would have a verdict by now.

If he was in the footage or photos - or could be identified in the footage or photos. And that takes time.
You would also need 100% proof that she is dead. And with no body, that's hard to prove.
What I was alluding too is the police stating that what was found proves she's dead - that doesn't mean it involves CB. They also have to prove that anything they found belonged to him.
But something is in that footage.

The 8,000 images contain depraved images and this is a crime. However, no matters the nature of the acts, I think we can be sure they are not direct evidence of a crime against MM.

Can we - we can only be sure that it doesn't implicate CB if they're charging him.

 

[frank-cole]

If he was in the footage or photos - or could be identified in the footage or photos. And that takes time.
You would also need 100% proof that she is dead. And with no body, that's hard to prove.
What I was alluding too is the police stating that what was found proves she's dead - that doesn't mean it involves CB. They also have to prove that anything they found belonged to him.
But something is in that footage.

Can we - we can only be sure that it doesn't implicate CB if they're charging him.

Yes - a photo of MM dead on CB’s hard drive makes it very clear what occurred. But maybe it’s not enough for a courtroom riddled with motions & strict privacy laws.

Alt-theory supporters won’t accept CB is responsible even if there is a photo of a deceased MM on his computer. I’ve asked that question multiple times but almost always end up with deflection or claims of ‘photoshop’, ‘planted’, ‘establishment’, ‘patsy’, ‘not real unless convicted’ etc

A photo on CB’s computer it’s horrifying news that anybody would find really upsetting.
It also shuts down the McCann theory - which is why we’ll always see the resistance.

 

[frank-cole]

I saw J.Clarke talking on a podcast earlier today .. he said memory sticks found at box factory might not be legally admissible again , in future , as per German system .
Files found on a camera at CB kiosk were also found in haul at box factory .
Kiosk files were used in CB conviction for abuse of young daughter ( 5 yrs old ) of his friend and files from same group / stash cannot be used again in another separate trial..
Am not sure if such an exclusion would also apply to any MM related info on a separate hard drive though..?
That’s what I inferred from what JC was saying anyway..

That’s the concern. As we can see, if this evidence was taken into account it would have corroborated Hazel’s testimony, proved the defence was lying & proved FF lied to a rape victim to put pressure on her not to proceed. She was right about the scar!

IMO this wasn’t an acquittal won on account of the evidence it was won because a lot of the evidence was blocked from being used. A master stroke from the defence.

Perhaps the evidence being public will make it impossible to be inadmissible in a MM trial…

 

[Davieson]

Unless there were injuries incompatible with life, how do you determine from a photograph only, that someone is dead ?

 

[Denis R Tandib]

If he was in the footage or photos - or could be identified in the footage or photos. And that takes time.
You would also need 100% proof that she is dead. And with no body, that's hard to prove.
What I was alluding too is the police stating that what was found proves she's dead - that doesn't mean it involves CB. They also have to prove that anything they found belonged to him.
But something is in that footage.

Can we - we can only be sure that it doesn't implicate CB if they're charging him.

I don’t understand your point. The German prosecutors have been clear that they have one person of interest (CB) and that he killed MM.

If they found images or footage of a deceased or tortured MM within CB’s private collection found on his property - how could that not implicate him?

We’ve discussed photo or video evidence for five years and it’s impossible to reconcile that it exists yet CB has not been charged.

We only have to look at how weak the evidence was in the rape and indecent exposure trail to know that if they had photographic evidence of MM found on CB’s property that they would have charged the MM case first.

There is no evidence connecting CB to MM because the process that has led us to this point and the lack of any real evidence suggests he is not responsible for her disappearance.