GUILTY Greece - Caroline Crouch, 20, British, tortured and murdered, Athens, 11 May 2021 *Appeal filed 2023* #5

[Dotta]

Will they need Babi's permission or can they go ahead without him?

What really saddens me is that Caroline's and her family's tragedy might be turned into entertainment.
I guess B's permission is obligatory.
I dont think he will agree as he has already refused other tv stations.

 

[Estelle]

Netflix
interested in the case

Spirto - Έγκλημα στα Γλυκά Νερά: το Netflix δείχνει ενδιαφέρον για το story της Καρολάιν και του πιλότου - Iciao

From above link: As it became known, an English producer was preparing to make a documentary about the case that has upset him. That is, the savage murder of Caroline at the hands of her own husband, Babi Anagnostopoulos, in front of their baby's eyes.

The confessed murderer refused, but now the big media are coming. According to the newspaper Spirt , the crime has aroused the interest of Netflix. English producers (not by chance, since Caroline's father is a distinguished British officer) approached the American giant. The subscription platform deals with such cases and does not spare money to conclude agreements.

It is said that Netflix people are packing their bags for Athens in order to talk to the two families (and not only).

 

[Estelle]

What really saddens me is that Caroline's and her family's tragedy might be turned into entertainment.
I guess B's permission is obligatory.
I dont think he will agree as he has already refused other tv stations.

IMO they will not need B's permission. The producers plan to speak to both families who are no longer loyal to B.

I don't think the movie will be entertainment, IMO it could teach many women lessons on what could happen in a relationship which is so controlling.

 

[Dotta]

IMO they will not need B's permission. The producers plan to speak to both families who are no longer loyal to B.

I don't think the movie will be entertainment, IMO it could teach many women lessons on what could happen in a relationship which is so controlling.

Hmmm....
I dont think both families would agree to being presented to the whole world.

There are good books on the subject of DV to turn into films.
No need to prey on tragedy of real people.

There is a child to consider.

 

[Dotta]

Besides, let's be honest - it is popularity of this case that lures the filmmakers.
And the need to squeeze as much money as possible out of this infamy.
Educational aim?
Paroles, paroles, paroles - as the French sing.

 

[Estelle]

Hmmm....
I dont think both families would agree to being presented to the whole world.

There are good books on the subject of DV to turn into films.
No need to prey on tragedy of real people.

There is a child to consider.

The producers only said they were going to speak to both families. That does not necessarily mean that they are going to be presented to the whole world.

True crime movies have more appeal to a young audience than a book on domestic violence turned into a film IMO.

The plot is interesting in itself. A mature handsome helicopter pilot meets a beautiful young girl on a Greek island, he flies over her school so local girls are possibly envious, takes her for helicopter rides and love bombs her, they fall in love, they have a romantic marriage and honeymoon in Portugal, she moves to Athens, has a baby but who could predict what happened next?

 

[Dotta]

The producers only said they were going to speak to both families. That does not necessarily mean that they are going to be presented to the whole world.

True crime movies have more appeal to a young audience than a book on domestic violence turned into a film IMO.

The plot is interesting in itself. A mature handsome helicopter pilot meets a beautiful young girl on a Greek island, he flies over her school so local girls are possibly envious, takes her for helicopter rides and love bombs her, they fall in love, they have a romantic marriage and honeymoon in Portugal, she moves to Athens, has a baby but who could predict what happened next?

There are millions of excellent, talented writers all over the world who could pen intriguing scripts.
Let us not tear the wounds of real people who suffer enough.
Let the dead rest in peace.

 

[Estelle]

There are millions of excellent, talented writers all over the world who could pen intriguing scripts.
Let us not tear the wounds of real people who suffer enough.
Let the dead rest in peace.

I can see your argument, Dotta, but as a retired Relationship Counselor, I guess I am about educating young girls about domestic violence, control is not love, romantic love is not real (it can last up to three years) and narcissism. Perhaps the plot could be used with the names changed.

 

[Kemug]

There are certainly no winners here. It's all just so sad.

 

[Dotta]

B's lawyer about defence

Η πρώτη αντίδραση του Μπάμπη Αναγνωστόπουλου μετά το βούλευμα-κόλαφος - Τι θα υποστηρίξει στη δίκη

 

[Marg from Oz]

No English translation coming up for me. Can you give me a short run down please @Dotta?

 

[Dotta]

About the trial

Γλυκά Νερά: Η πρώτη αντίδραση του γυναικοκτόνου, Μπάμπη Αναγνωστόπουλου, μετά το χθεσινό βούλευμα (vid)

 

[Estelle]

B's lawyer about defence

Η πρώτη αντίδραση του Μπάμπη Αναγνωστόπουλου μετά το βούλευμα-κόλαφος - Τι θα υποστηρίξει στη δίκη

From the above link:

Babis Anagnostopoulos's first reaction after the collapse of parliament - What he will support in the trial

A day after the release of the parliament for the referral of Caroline's confessed murderer, Babi Anagnostopoulos, in a trial, the defense attorney of the accused, Alexandros Papaioannidis, spoke to ANT1, saying that Babalos does not intend to "the only thing his client thinks is his daughter."

It should be recalled that Babis Anagnostopoulos is referred to trial for the offenses of manslaughter committed with intent in a calm mental state and animal abuse, but also of false accusation, because he made other suspects of his own actions as well as the continuous false testimony.

Speaking to "Kalimera Hellada", Mr. Papaioannidis stated that with the information provided by the accused's side, he would try to prove the position that there was no planning and that what happened was only about that "fatal" 'night in Glyka Nera.'

 

[Dotta]

No English translation coming up for me. Can you give me a short run down please @Dotta?

Estelle did it, bless her
Im on my phone

 

[Marg from Oz]

About the trial

Γλυκά Νερά: Η πρώτη αντίδραση του γυναικοκτόνου, Μπάμπη Αναγνωστόπουλου, μετά το χθεσινό βούλευμα (vid)

Thanks @Dotta that one worked.

Thanks @Estelle

 

[Estelle]

About the trial

Γλυκά Νερά: Η πρώτη αντίδραση του γυναικοκτόνου, Μπάμπη Αναγνωστόπουλου, μετά το χθεσινό βούλευμα (vid)

From the above link:

The first reaction of the woman killer, Babi Anagnostopoulos, after yesterday's decision (vid)
The first moves of the woman killer with the body that sparks him

The confessed perpetrator of the heinous murder in Glyka Nera does not intend to offend the parliament, which is referring to a trial for two crimes and two misdemeanors.

This is at least what his defense attorney, Alexandros Papaioannidis, said on ANT1's "To Proino" show. See the excerpt with the entire statements of the gynecologist's lawyer, Babi Anagnostopoulos.

Yesterday's board
The pre-trial prisoner Babis Anagnostopoulos is being referred to trial before the Mixed Jury Court as the competent judicial council fully adopted the proposal of prosecutor Giorgos Noulis.

Caroline's murderer, who shocked the nation with his actions and the "theater" that played on the channels for days pretending to be the victim of a burglary while he had killed his wife, is being tried for two crimes, murder before calm mental state and animal abuse for both misdemeanors, false accusation because he made other suspects of his actions and false testimony continued.

The judges, members of the Judicial Council, fully accepted their proposal by Prosecutor George Noulis. Among other things, in the proposal, the prosecutor, after referring to the way Caroline Krauts met Babis Anagnostopoulos but also to the development of their relationship, described "the miscarriage a few months after their marriage and then the health problems faced by the newborn Lydia. Stating that Krauts's psychological state, which is judged by both their friend Angelakopoulou and Mylonopoulou mental health counselor to be secretive and resilient, and after the baby's recovery continued to show instability with her, shows transitions in her behavior. Due to the tensions that continued to arise between the couple, she asked for the assistance of the special mental health counselor Eleni Mylonopoulou ".

"She did not suffer from postpartum depression"
As mentioned in the prosecutor's proposal, the special counselor met the couple for about three months and concluded that:

«1. Caroline did not suffer from postpartum depression

2. The couple was - by choice mainly of the accused - completely cut off from the family environment of both spouses. since March 2020 and the COVID pandemic 19) stop his wife from systematically moving away from other social activities, relationships and socializing, in order to have constant control over her movements so that he can manipulate her (Choosing a remote residence area and at a great distance from the university where she was admitted, Krauts's burden with performing all the family work and raising the baby without any help from third parties, permanent presence of the accused in meetings with her friends, her complete ignorance of the couple's finances - The sole management of which was exercised by the accused who did not leave her any money - Krauts's road trips with a specific trip by Ktisias's friend of the accused and the rest.

3. Krauts experienced as an incarceration her relationship with the accused, she was occupied And this in view of their age difference from "dependence" syndrome from the latter (acceptance of the person but rejection of his person) and

4. "She herself appeared frightened, in the frequent quarrels of the couple and in moments of outbursts she launches non-serious threats to the accused about her leaving the marital home either alone or with their child".

For the night of the murder

"After the specific heated quarrel of the couple, the accused decided to carry out the plan of extermination of his wife, which he had been cultivating in his mind for a long time, in order to get rid of her presence and be left alone with their child. His plan consisted of two parts, on the one hand the murder of Krauts, and on the other hand the appearance of her death as a product of a third criminal act of unknown perpetrators in order to avoid his own criminal liability. And while the baby was sleeping on Living room of the house and Krauts in the bedroom of this upper floor, the accused proceeded, using hand gloves, in a series of actions in order to create a virtual scene of "robbery after murder" in the area of the house.

Analytically:

1. violently detached surveillance cameras of the living room - sitting room, which was placed (screwed) on its roof, so as not to record the movements of support for the script that was inspired

2. proceeded to remove and destroy the memory card of the specific device in order to disappear it.

3. The friend of the basement of the maisonette was removed from the window, which he then hid in the laundry room, in order to create an "entrance gate" for the "unknown robbers" in the house.

4. brought to selected areas of the maisonette (living room) an artificial image of clutter, in order to display a naughty image of their research (indicatively, library disturbance, throwing on the floor of a plastic box of the monopoly board game) and

5. removes from the living room the couple's valuables (wedding rings, rings) which he hid in a plastic bag in the tank of his motorcycle, in order to present them as "all of the influential robbers".
After completing the first part of the "scenography" of the countries on the ground floor of the house, the accused went up to the bedroom of the maisonette at around 4:05, where his wife was sleeping unsuspectingly. Absolutely cool, he surprised the victim, who was sleeping in a prone position (muzzle), and he immobilized her with his superior body weight. With the force of his hands, he pressed Krouch's head strongly against the pillow, blocking the outer openings of the air passage its routes (mouth and nostrils). This caused a gradual difficulty in her breathing, she narrowly tried to react, but this was not possible. This attempt of the accused to exterminate his wife lasted for five minutes and finally the victim ended up due to suffocation around 4:11. "This is because during the murder of the two in intense physical and mental stress, with his death being not instantaneous but anxious", he notes and adds:

"After the murder of his wife, the always cool and self-dominated, the accused immediately proceeded to the implementation of the second part of his criminal plan prepared from the beginning: The alleged intruders of robbers in his house, who killed his unfortunate wife. To this end he:

1) at 4:20 he killed by hanging he saw a domestic dog named Roxy. The unfortunate animal was hung by him with his leash on the railings of the inner staircase between the ground floor and the first floor. The commission of this crime had been targeted, the more convincing the scenario of the violence of the "imaginary" robbers, who killed the four-legged friend besides his wife, appeared to them, as well as the removal of any suspicions from the face of the accused, since it would likely be considered that he abused it
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2) He proceeded to selectively disturb the area of the bedroom, where he killed the victim, by removing and throwing it on the floor of a nightstand drawer. And this in order to form an image of the investigation and the exact point of the crime

3) he moved the couple sleeping on the ground floor and placed him on the bedroom bed, next to the one he had just killed by his own mother. And then this in order to give a further dramatic tone to the whole scenario and to magnify the savagery of the non-existent robbers

4) Using twine and insulating tape he tied his arms in front of him and his legs together, then he was not tied to the bed boards on the bedroom floor. Further, he wrapped his neck around him with insulating tape, which covered his mouth and eyes, so that they would appear to be immobilized by the robbers. He did the same with the body of his wife, whose hands are on the elbow with a gray cardigan, while he wore tracksuits around her neck to make the story of "robbery violence" even more convincing.

5) Prior to the above "self-restraint" he deliberately made the mistake of making telephone calls to numbers similar to that of direct action (1000 and 180). And this in order to make his construction believe that during his attempt to communicate with the police authority he was indeed tied up ".

The hypocritical actions of the perpetrator

The prosecutor also stated in his proposal that the accused insisted on taking hypocritical actions that would remove the suspicions of their execution by him.

"As for the intentional homicide, its deceit is clearly inferred from the manner and conditions of its execution (five-minute suffocating drowning of the sleeping victim). The element of peace of mind emerges just as actively situation in which the perpetrator was during its execution, as inferred from the prior method of shutting down the security cameras of his home, the surprise of the unsuspecting death, the directing allegedly committed against the robbery and your premeditated efforts misleading the prosecuting authorities. For the rest of the acts, there is the confession of the accused, and all of them stemmed from the motive of covering up his criminal action and aimed at causing confusion and ultimately the disorientation of the police investigations ".

The direction and deconstruction of the alleged accident
The prosecutor deconstructed the allegations of Babis Anagnostopoulos, who had argued that Caroline's death was an accident, citing, among other things, of the time of the murders of the dying ”.

"His complete clarity is reinforced by the completeness of the relevant 'direction' both after and before the homicide, which shows that he processed it earlier and calculatedly and not under the state of uncontrolled impulse. He saw the timing of all his "directing" actions after the killing of the victim and as a product of his panic, on the one hand, he is completely without legal influence regarding the characterization of the act, and on the other hand, completely unfounded, since within two hours of until the victim is notified and the immediate action is notified, it is not objectively possible to carry out all the aforementioned misleading actions in support of the fabricated scenario of the alleged robbery ”

At the same time, the prosecutor argued that "the data form absolute certainty about the intensity of the unruly mind of the accused and the cruelty and painlessness of his personality" referring to a total of 11 points that are the special features of his criminal acts. Among them were:

"- the cold and methodical revelation by him of a detailed false scenario of a raid on the crime scene by unknown third-party robbers, who allegedly committed the crimes he committed, in order to disorient the police and law enforcement authorities. Further support of this construction by Premeditated persuasive moves towards this hypocritical and unrepentant attitude after the homicide he committed as he sought psychological support to maintain the grief of his grief from the loss of his wife

His hypocritical and unrepentant attitude after the homicide he committed, as he sought psychological support to manage his pretend grief over the loss of his wife from his audacity and lack of remorse, as evidenced by his comfort and presence and participation as "Religious space" in the religious ceremonies of the memory of the murdered by his own husband and the cynicism and arrogance he showed even after the confession of his actions as he tried to justify the false robbery scene that was worked out to avoid his criminal responsibilities as derived from his interest in "his daughter growing up at least with her father". That is, to enjoy the paternity and upbringing of a child from whom he violently deprived his mother of his infancy, a shame he will not even remember! ”

 

[Estelle]

Estelle did it, bless her
Im on my phone

Took me ages to translate one paragraph or less at a time!

 

[Dotta]

Took me ages to translate one paragraph or less at a time!

 

[Dotta]

Took me ages to translate one paragraph or less at a time!

OMG
English is a foreign language for me but Greek-English by Google translator is another level of difficulty haha
Plus "flowery" style of a tabloid(?).

 

[Dotta]

New lawsuit against B

Μήνυση κατά του Μπάμπη Αναγνωστόπουλου για τη δολοφονία του σκυλιού της Κάρολαϊν