Greece - Caroline Crouch, 20, Murdered, Athens, 11 May 2021 #2 *ARREST*

[Dotta]

I have a feeling this tragic case will remain unsolved. Whoever committed it, was perfectly prepared - either a gang or a very intelligent psychopatic person. Maybe, just maybe in the future some dedicated "cold cases" detectives will crack it and the perp/s will make a fatal mistake - they are human after all and we all make mistakes. But for the time being perp/s are on their utmost guard and I cant see the case resolving. But I think of DeAngelo in USA. He was caught after 30 years and now rots in a cell. Justice always prevails.

 

[Winterbells]

Hi! I wrote the translation of the video in my previous comment right under the video. Does it not show up? If so, I will repost the translation

Your translation does show up, and thank you so much for it!

 

[catchingdelivery]

Is he wiping tears? If so he's wiping dry eyes. I'm not saying he should be acting a certain way, shock and grief affects everyone differently. I'm saying if he's wiping his tears, there aren't any there

 

[Winterbells]

Thank you DeLu! I thought this video was the first interview B gave but can't find a timestamp. Please could you translate it when you get a chance?

Tragic Story of Young Mother Murdered Next to Her Baby in Greece

I also think this was the first interview (I believe the one DeLu kindly translated was the second).

 

[MsBetsy]

I have not had time to follow this case in detail but at the moment, it sounds like another case where the husband set it up. Does anyone else feel like that?

Well, I only started reading the thread yesterday but it seems like the investigation can go any number of directions. The husband has not been named a suspect so he's considered a victim.

Apparently the police believe a criminal gang is involved and the motive seems to be money. I'm not sure what the connection would be to the family, or how they knew there was money in the home. The hypnotherapist, or whatever she is, implied that Caroline may have told someone and somehow the word spread that they had cash in the home.

 

[Winterbells]

Is he wiping tears? If so he's wiping dry eyes. I'm not saying he should be acting a certain way, shock and grief affects everyone differently. I'm saying if he's wiping his tears, there aren't any there

Yep. He's behaving as if there are tears to wipe, but also sort of holding his hands together as if praying. I can't see any actual tears. Perhaps a need to hide his face.
Uncomfortable in front of the press perhaps?

 

[catchingdelivery]

Yep. He's behaving as if there are tears to wipe, but also sort of holding his hands together as if praying. I can't see any actual tears. Perhaps a need to hide his face.
Uncomfortable in front of the press perhaps?

I feel the same. I did wonder if he was saying some sort of prayer but that doesn't fit with the translation (kindly done by DeLu )

 

[Winterbells]

I feel the same. I did wonder if he was saying some sort of prayer but that doesn't fit with the translation (kindly done by DeLu )

Yes. The words are nothing to do with praying, nor crying.
Obviously in a state of some sort.

 

[DeLu]

You were right. The one I translated was the second interview. Here is the first at 11/5/2021

0:06-0:16
R: Our condolences. Would you like to say something? Something about what you have lived through? There is a reward! (in greek we say: "he has been declared". "He" is the killer) Just a single word about it.
B: It can't be described, guys. I hope this won't happen to anyone. It cant be described, guys.
0:16-0:33
R: Were these moments so nightmarish?
B: (nods his head affirmatively)
R: What do you ask for? What do you ask for now? What do you ask for?
B: That it never happens *to again* to anyone else again. (he mixed up his words a bit). Nothing else. The guys (LE) know their work, they will catch them. And what I and my family and my wife's family have been through, let no one go through it again. (he misspelled "again" and corrected it right after). That.
0:33-0:40
R: Did you begged them?
B: We begged them, we told them that we have, were to find the money and ...
0:40-0:47
R: And after all this? Ηow long did they stay inside?
B: Guys, I'm sorry I have to go. Be well.
R: Our condolences. Our condolences, thank you very much.

 

[Winterbells]

You were right. The one I translated was the second interview. Here is the first at 11/5/2021

0:06-0:16
R: Our condolences. Would you like to say something? Something about what you have lived through? There is a reward! (in greek we say: "he has been declared". "He" is the killer) Just a single word about it.
B: It can't be described, guys. I hope this won't happen to anyone. It cant be described, guys.
0:16-0:33
R: Were these moments so nightmarish?
B: (nods his head affirmatively)
R: What do you ask for? What do you ask for now? What do you ask for?
B: That it never happens *to again* to anyone else again. (he mixed up his words a bit). Nothing else. The guys (LE) know their work, they will catch them. And what I and my family and my wife's family have been through, let no one go through it again. (he misspelled "again" and corrected it right after). That.
0:33-0:40
R: Did you begged them?
B: We begged them, we told them that we have, were to find the money and ...
0:40-0:47
R: And after all this? Ηow long did they stay inside?
B: Guys, I'm sorry I have to go. Be well.
R: Our condolences. Our condolences, thank you very much.

Thank you so much @DeLu
It is fascinating to have your verbatim translations.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Thanks Delu for the translations!

Talk about things that make me go..hmmm.

That's all I can say.

 

[Patrick Jane]

Γλυκά Νερά: Τι αποκαλύπτουν οι Μασόνοι για την «ψυχολόγο» της Καρολάιν που δήλωνε και... γυναικολόγος | ΤΑ ΝΕΑ

 

[catchingdelivery]

Γλυκά Νερά: Τι αποκαλύπτουν οι Μασόνοι για την «ψυχολόγο» της Καρολάιν που δήλωνε και... γυναικολόγος | ΤΑ ΝΕΑ

I don't understand or have any knowledge of the Masonic Lodge and what they do, etc. but wow that woman is a con artist beyond belief. Claiming to be a gynecologist as well as everything else. I don't think she's involved in Caroline's murder but I hope this whole spectacle doesn't overshadow finding the truth for Caroline

 

[Dotta]

Γλυκά Νερά: Νέα κατάθεση του πιλότου για την «ψυχολόγο» της Καρολάιν – «Της έδωσα άδεια για να εμφανιστεί στα ΜΜΕ»

 

[Dotta]

B gave the therapist consent to appear in the media according to article above.

 

[tayaway]

Γλυκά Νερά: Τι αποκαλύπτουν οι Μασόνοι για την «ψυχολόγο» της Καρολάιν που δήλωνε και... γυναικολόγος | ΤΑ ΝΕΑ

"Ms. Mylonopoulou could not understand that she was lying. She was married to a gynecologist. He had a doctor son. She knew gynecology from the outside and mixed up. We had a whole Lodge with doctors inside, they could not understand that she was a midwife. There were some suspicions, from the Order of "Delphi", who called her "mom". But when, Sister, she tells me, I, she tells me, I know her as a midwife. He recognized her because they made a specialty in Laiko together "...

Initially, he was a treasurer of the Stoa and then a great secretary, an important position with contacts abroad. When Mr. Voulis had to be absent from his duties for a while, the "psychologist" administered the Grand Lodge as Grand Master.

What the what??? They were suspicious of her qualifications and yet they let her fill in as Grand Master??? She appears to be a skilled con artist.

B gave the therapist consent to appear in the media according to article above.

They did 8 sessions from October 2020 to early 2021, which went smoothly, and he said that Caroline's advice on the problem was important and correct.

At the same time, he allegedly stated that he gave her permission to appear in the media, that he did not have any problems with her advice, ...

Does he even have the legal authority to allow a 'psychologist' to break confidentiality of another client, even if that client was his late wife? Who is he to judge whether her 'advice' was good for C or not?

 

[MsBetsy]

B gave the therapist consent to appear in the media according to article above.

That may be true but she should have known better not to break confidentiality. Even if she wasn't a licensed therapist, she apparently practiced at something, or presented herself as some sort of healthcare provider, and apparently her husband is a gynecologist. It may be true that she's a midwife.

I don't know why the article keeps referring to her as "he" or why they describe Caroline as "undefeated." They also state the husband went to her for help and "Caroline's" advice was important and correct. I doubt that's what he said since they don't even quote him.

Anyway, this woman is a fraud and seems to have inserted herself into the investigation. I don't know whether it's for attention or she has some other motive but she should be charged, as well as whoever allowed her to practice.

 

[MsBetsy]

You were right. The one I translated was the second interview. Here is the first at 11/5/2021

0:06-0:16
R: Our condolences. Would you like to say something? Something about what you have lived through? There is a reward! (in greek we say: "he has been declared". "He" is the killer) Just a single word about it.
B: It can't be described, guys. I hope this won't happen to anyone. It cant be described, guys.
0:16-0:33
R: Were these moments so nightmarish?
B: (nods his head affirmatively)
R: What do you ask for? What do you ask for now? What do you ask for?
B: That it never happens *to again* to anyone else again. (he mixed up his words a bit). Nothing else. The guys (LE) know their work, they will catch them. And what I and my family and my wife's family have been through, let no one go through it again. (he misspelled "again" and corrected it right after). That.
0:33-0:40
R: Did you begged them?
B: We begged them, we told them that we have, were to find the money and ...
0:40-0:47
R: And after all this? Ηow long did they stay inside?
B: Guys, I'm sorry I have to go. Be well.
R: Our condolences. Our condolences, thank you very much.

Welcome to Websleuths, Delu, and thank you so much for translating all this!

 

[Winterbells]

This is the Bing translator version of the article linked:
Γλυκά Νερά: Τι αποκαλύπτουν οι Μασόνοι για την «ψυχολόγο» της Καρολάιν που δήλωνε και... γυναικολόγος | ΤΑ ΝΕΑ

(I assume the use of the word 'he' is an error in the automated translation, and it should be 'she')

Sweet Waters: What the Masons reveal about Caroline's "psychologist" who declared and... gynecologist

The Athens Prosecutor's Office has requested a preliminary investigation to determine whether the offences of repeated fraud and breach of professional confidentiality have been committed.

Important developments are the case of the "psychologist" of 20-year-old Caroline who was murdered in her home in Sweet Waters, as the first was found in the General Police Directorate of Attica to testify about what is being reported around her status.

The 60-year-old crossed the threshold of GADA to testify about the possibility of a counter-authority, following the interventions made by associations of psychologists who denounced her.

In particular, the Association of Greek Psychologists asked the "psychologist" to show her degrees and the license to practice, while the Greek Consulting Society pointed out that the woman in question "was not and is not a member of it".

Preliminary investigation

At the same time, the Athens Prosecutor's Office has requested a preliminary investigation into the "psychologist" in order to establish that one has committed the offence of repeated fraud as well as that of breach of professional confidentiality.

The last one concerns her revelations after the victim's murder.

In her testimony to the Property Rights Department of Attica Security, she claimed that there was a misunderstanding of the media, which gave her the "title" of psychologist. She gave her own explanations regarding the relevant reports about her and said: "I did not present myself as a psychologist to the 20-year-old girl. I have the "Centre for Therapeutic Hypnosis, Psychotherapeutic and Counselling Approaches" with permission from the Athens Chamber".

It is noted that the woman remained in GADA for about two hours.

However, according to her lawyer, the woman visited the prosecutor's office this morning, before any action was even made. She said she had to go to the competent authority, tell her what her business is professionally and tell her how to handle the situation.
"He went on our own initiative, no plea, no complaints, no court documents, no complaints," the lawyer said. "We asked for the officers' input on how to protect ourselves from attacks," the lawyer added, saying her client "is a top issue on all channels."
He had a leading role in the Grand House.

Meanwhile, "catapult" was the Grand Master of the Great Men's and Women's Institute of Greece for the woman who appeared as a psychologist of the wronged Caroline.

Although she denied that she was a member of the Grand Gallery and denied her deletion from it, "Live News" secured photos – documentary of Mrs. Mylonopoulou's action as a mason during the work of the Grand Gallery. He even wears insignia of the two highest office.

Mr. Panteleimon Voulis spoke exclusively to "Live News" and confirmed that not only did Eleni Mylonopoulou participate in the Masons, but she also had a leadership role.

The head of the House explains that the document with which they stopped her from their circles is all genuine.

"Mrs. Mylonopoulou was not introduced to us. So he wasn't introduced to our order. Mrs. Mylonopoulou came from the International Mixed Masonic Order "Delphi". When there was a move to separate the Delphi and a Shop left, after a short time, we were also proposed to take the lady in question. So he came with us. To us, he presented himself as a doctor. As soon as we realize he was lying to us, we have a responsibility to public health."

According to Pantelis Voulis, the woman who presented herself as Caroline's psychologist was introduced to the Masonry as a gynecologist, while only the TEI of obstetrics had finished.

"Mrs. Mylonopoulou could not understand that she was lying. She was married to a gynecologist. He had a doctor's son. He knew gynecology from the outside. We had a whole house with doctors inside, they couldn't tell she was a midwife. There were some suspicions, from the Order of Delphi, who called her "mama". But when, Sister, she tells me, I, she tells me, I know her as a midwife. He recognized her because they were specializing together in the People's."

This revelation caused an uproar and the research went all the way to Bucharest and the university from which she stated on her CV that she had a medical degree.
"So when we read her résumés again, she says she studied medicine at a University of Bucharest. But when they asked our Museum in Bucharest, they told me they don't know it's over... That he's a doctor. And she insisted even then, telling me that "I finished university in Bucharest and I was not registered here with the Medical Association" – because then we did a survey here at the Medical Association and there was, of course, nowhere her name as in Romania, "because", she says "I did it for tax reasons".

Speaking live on the show, the Grand Master of the Grand House said Ms. Mylonopoulou was a member from 2014 to 2018.

Initially, he was a treasurer of the Treasury and then a great secretary, an important position with contacts abroad. When for a while Mr. Voulis had to be absent from his duties, the "psychologist" commanded the Grand House as a Great Teacher.

 

[everybodhi]

That may be true but she should have known better not to break confidentiality. Even if she wasn't a licensed therapist, she apparently practiced at something, or presented herself as some sort of healthcare provider, and apparently her husband is a gynecologist. It may be true that she's a midwife.

I don't know why the article keeps referring to her as "he" or why they describe Caroline as "undefeated." They also state the husband went to her for help and "Caroline's" advice was important and correct. I doubt that's what he said since they don't even quote him.

Anyway, this woman is a fraud and seems to have inserted herself into the investigation. I don't know whether it's for attention or she has some other motive but she should be charged, as well as whoever allowed her to practice.

I have found the translation apps often refer to women as “he” in Greek translations, having people here to clear up the automated translations has been really helpful.
As far as her claim that she actually meant she is a midwife rather than a gynecologist, I hope she has her papers in order as the practice of midwifery is regulated in both EU and Greece, like any other medical profession.