Greece - Caroline Crouch, 20, tortured and murdered, Athens, 11 May 2021 #4 *ARREST*

[tayaway]

Yes that link works but I clicked on other things in blue Greek!

Oh you guys! Those are in a different color to show quotes. Maybe I need to rethink my presentation!

 

[Estelle]

Little Lydia in Alonissos - "The perpetrator is painless, apathetic and without moral restraints" - The prosecutor catapults
29/06/2021 | 07:33
Editorial team

Little Lydia was temporarily taken care of by Caroline's family, with the prosecutor's office removing parental responsibility from the 32-year-old husband-killer, whom she describes as "a person completely devoid of moral inhibitions". According to the confession of Caroline's murderer, he went so far as to victimize even a one-year-old baby by choosing to leave it on his mother's lifeless body. The multi-page prosecutorial order establishes step by step the reasoning with which the parental responsibility of the perpetrator of the crime has been completely removed, which has shocked the public with the prosecutor emphasizing the fact that the 32-year-old has already been deprived of his liberty as a temporary detainee. fails to objectively take care of his underage daughter, that at the level of serious evidence of guilt he has criminal conduct and at the level of serious evidence of guilt he is said to have committed the crime of intentional homicide against a member of his family and in front of another and that of a minor.

The prosecutor refers to the reports of the social workers, which have a positive imprint on both family environments. Alonissos presents significant advantages in its judgment as a place of residence, which, among other things, ensures the necessary distance from the place where the trial will take place, which will apparently follow from the logically next over-stimulation of emotions in her father's family environment.

Γλυκά Νερά: H μικρή Λυδία στην Αλόννησο - «Ανάλγητος, απαθής και χωρίς ηθικές αναστολές ο δράστης» - Καταπέλτης η εισαγγελέας - TheCaller

 

[Estelle]

A dog hotel owner said: "I saw them twice, when they came to leave their unfortunate dog in the hotel I keep, when they were leaving for their trip to Dubai. The 20-year-old girl was a very kind and smiling child. As we talked, I found out that she had a great love for pets and her own dog, Roxy. What impressed me was the behavior of the pilot. He was distant and had a "toupee". When Caroline got out of the car, he said in style, "This is my wife," without telling me her name. It was as if he was playing a role… As if he had no feelings for this woman. Cold person".

Γλυκά Νερά: Νέες αποκαλύψεις για την ψυχρή συμπεριφορά του συζυγοκτόνου - «Ήταν σαν να έπαιζε έναν ρόλο» - TheCaller

 

[Estelle]

Caroline 's nutritionist still cannot believe that the smiling girl is not alive, noting that lately the 20-year-old was visiting with her husband and her newborn baby. "I have known Caroline since 2018, when she first came from Alonissos. After the birth of her child, she started coming to the office again to for me to watch her. She had never told me anything about herself. However, one thing I remember is that she always came with her husband and her baby. I fell a lot out for this couple",states the "R" the nutritionist.

Γλυκά Νερά: Νέες αποκαλύψεις για την ψυχρή συμπεριφορά του συζυγοκτόνου - «Ήταν σαν να έπαιζε έναν ρόλο» - TheCaller

 

[Estelle]

The assessment that the crime was premeditated is expressed by the Professor of Criminology, Nestor Kourakis, emphasizing that the evidence does not prove that the perpetrator was in a boiling state.

"From the thermometer of the victim and the forensic examination it appears that the victim was asleep around 4:01 in the morning and that the perpetrator attacked him to strangle him with the pillow, as it actually happened around 4:11. Therefore, the homicide took place in a calm mental state of the perpetrator and not in the context of a mental overstimulation due to a sudden emotional overload, excluding his calm thinking, so there would be a boiling of mental momentum ".

Another element cited by Mr. Kourakis is interesting,noting that the pilot was "inspired" by his instructor's robbery. "The confessed perpetrator during his testimony also referred to an incident of" carbon "robbery that happened to a fellow helicopter pilot and his trainer in July 2018. It is, however, impressive that in that robbery the robbers were also three and hooded men, the dog was abused and the pilot's wife was similarly abused and in danger of dying from drowning, but had previously managed to lower the hood of one of the criminals. It is possible, then, that the confessed perpetrator had already worked out his plan for days, in order to present himself and his wife as victims of the same robbers and in this way to present a convincing story, "drawn from life '' .

Γλυκά Νερά: Νέες αποκαλύψεις για την ψυχρή συμπεριφορά του συζυγοκτόνου - «Ήταν σαν να έπαιζε έναν ρόλο» - TheCaller

 

[Dotta]

A dog hotel owner said: "I saw them twice, when they came to leave their unfortunate dog in the hotel I keep, when they were leaving for their trip to Dubai. The 20-year-old girl was a very kind and smiling child. As we talked, I found out that she had a great love for pets and her own dog, Roxy. What impressed me was the behavior of the pilot. He was distant and had a "toupee". When Caroline got out of the car, he said in style, "This is my wife," without telling me her name. It was as if he was playing a role… As if he had no feelings for this woman. Cold person".

Γλυκά Νερά: Νέες αποκαλύψεις για την ψυχρή συμπεριφορά του συζυγοκτόνου - «Ήταν σαν να έπαιζε έναν ρόλο» - TheCaller

Toupee??? I dont think he needs it.

 

[Kemug]

The assessment that the crime was premeditated is expressed by the Professor of Criminology, Nestor Kourakis, emphasizing that the evidence does not prove that the perpetrator was in a boiling state.

"From the thermometer of the victim and the forensic examination it appears that the victim was asleep around 4:01 in the morning and that the perpetrator attacked him to strangle him with the pillow, as it actually happened around 4:11. Therefore, the homicide took place in a calm mental state of the perpetrator and not in the context of a mental overstimulation due to a sudden emotional overload, excluding his calm thinking, so there would be a boiling of mental momentum ".

Another element cited by Mr. Kourakis is interesting,noting that the pilot was "inspired" by his instructor's robbery. "The confessed perpetrator during his testimony also referred to an incident of" carbon "robbery that happened to a fellow helicopter pilot and his trainer in July 2018. It is, however, impressive that in that robbery the robbers were also three and hooded men, the dog was abused and the pilot's wife was similarly abused and in danger of dying from drowning, but had previously managed to lower the hood of one of the criminals. It is possible, then, that the confessed perpetrator had already worked out his plan for days, in order to present himself and his wife as victims of the same robbers and in this way to present a convincing story, "drawn from life '' .

Γλυκά Νερά: Νέες αποκαλύψεις για την ψυχρή συμπεριφορά του συζυγοκτόνου - «Ήταν σαν να έπαιζε έναν ρόλο» - TheCaller

Well, only B knows the truth, and I don't think we'll ever hear it from his mouth.

 

[Estelle]

The psychograph of the 33-year-old husband - "Shock at the lack of sensitivity and emotion"

The psychograph, in fact of the 33-year-old husband-killer, was attempted by the counseling psychologist Efrosini Fotinaki, speaking on the Live News show.

"I consider it important that the scientists in the field of mental health go out and listen to what is happening, but in no case can we make a diagnosis," said Ms. Fotinaki, emphasizing that "however we can share concerns, precisely because so many people listen to us ».

"People who suffer violence, especially if we are talking about domestic violence, the most common victims of which are women, find it very difficult to leave because they are afraid and sometimes blame themselves," said the counseling psychologist, adding that "it is necessary to the experts plan an exit plan with him, in order to get out of these relations safely ". "It is not at all simple for a person to get out of any abusive relationship, whether we are talking about mental violence, or verbal or physical," added Efrosini Fotinaki.

Regarding the case of Glyke Nero and the murder of 20-year-old Caroline by her husband, Mrs. Fotinaki underlined that "on the occasion of what we hear, what shocks us is the lack of sensitivity, the lack of emotion, these details that come to light and us they make us wonder how this can happen. " "It's what shocks and that's where we have to put all our attention. Let's put aside for a moment what someone seems to be and give all our weight to what he really is. That is, how he behaves, what emotion he brings to his relationship, what compassion and support. No matter how good someone looks, at the end of the day we should look at the emotion in human relationships "added Ms. Fotinaki, concluding that" when the emotion is absent no matter how intelligent one is, if one is not emotionally intelligent at all, one can it's really dangerous. "

https://www.newsit.gr/ellada/glyka-...urce=projectagora&utm_medium=contentdiscovery

 

[Estelle]

Anagnostopoulos's lie in Arches

The authorities were impressed by the move of Babis Anagnostopoulos a few minutes after the crime at 4:36 to enter and check his gmail. The investigator asked him in his apology and he replied that he had received an email from Caroline which was the email with the content "you're stupid" .

However, the analysis of the mobile phone reveals that the specific message has been seen since 23:18, ie five hours before. According to estimates, he probably came in to see an email he was waiting for or to delete a message that should not have fallen into the possession of the police.

Γλυκά Νερά: Βίντεο με τον Αναγνωστόπουλο στον Κορυδαλλό - Σκότωσε τον σκύλο του και τώρα ταΐζει τις γάτες στη φυλακή

 

[TootsieFootsie]

He thought he owned her.

"This is my wife," without telling me her name.

 

[MsBetsy]

Greek pilot who 'murdered' British wife pictured in maximum security prison
Photos published in the Greek media on Saturday show the inside of his cell, which comes with a toilet and shower, along with a TV, set of furniture and a large window.

Fellow inmates at Korydallos are said to be furious at the perceived soft treatment he has received in an ‘exclusive’ section

Prisoners on other wings are said to languish in conditions described as ‘degrading’ and ‘inhuman’.

One prison warden was quoted telling Greek TV: ‘It’s as if he’s at home and enjoying his life. There is a lot of anger at the luxury he is getting.’

Have the "fellow inmates" already been convicted or are they still waiting for sentencing? I think anyone living in "degrading and inhumane conditions" would perceive the other wing as luxurious. Prison officials may not be allowed to mix him with the general population. Once he is convicted his conditions will likely change. A lot can happen between now and the trial, if there is one. Mixing him with the general population could be a danger to him or others. LE has an obligation to ensure his safety, both in prison and in transport.

It could be worse. He could be on house arrest with an ankle moniter while waiting for trial. I think his lawyer will do whatever possible to get him out. At least for now he is in a maximum security prison and we know he's not going anywhere. Imo

 

[Estelle]

Prison conditions in Greece

The thirty four custodial institutions in the country are split into three categories: general, special, and therapeutic. General custodial institutions are further divided to type A (for inmates awaiting trial and for convicted inmates who serve short term prison sentences) and type B (for inmates convicted to long term prison sentences, lifers included).

In prisons there are segregation or/and isolation units which are used for inmates who: (a) are punished to stay in a special cell for a period up to 10 days for disciplinary reasons, (b) have made a written request to be placed in protection status, (c) suffer from contagious diseases. Isolation is not often used in Greek prisons as a disciplinary measure. Most inmates in segregation are there for reasons of personal safety. Since there are a limited number of cells available, three or four people may sometimes be placed in each cell of these units (less than 6 m2 in size).

http://www.prisonobservatory.org/upload/PrisonconditionsGreece.pdf

 

[Estelle]

C's parents' lawyer explained that so far he has not dealt with the criminal part of the case, as custody of the child was a priority.

"The only thing that concerns the parents is the 'why'", he noted, estimating that, "the 'why' is in the hands of the Investigator and the Prosecutor and you can be sure that it will be found.

Asked why Caroline had not told her mother that she was not getting on well with her husband, she replied that it was due to distance and coronavirus, as she could not do anything other than upset her.

Γλυκά Νερά: Έξι μέρες πριν τη δολοφονία αγόρασε ο Αναγνωστόπουλος το οικόπεδο - Με χρήματα της μητέρας της Καρολάιν

 

[Dotta]

Have the "fellow inmates" already been convicted or are they still waiting for sentencing? I think anyone living in "degrading and inhumane conditions" would perceive the other wing as luxurious. Prison officials may not be allowed to mix him with the general population. Once he is convicted his conditions will likely change. A lot can happen between now and the trial, if there is one. Mixing him with the general population could be a danger to him or others. LE has an obligation to ensure his safety, both in prison and in transport.

It could be worse. He could be on house arrest with an ankle moniter while waiting for trial. I think his lawyer will do whatever possible to get him out. At least for now he is in a maximum security prison and we know he's not going anywhere. Imo

I couldnt express it better! I dont understand why people are still harping about it! Do they want him to live in a basement chained to the wall? He has a toilet there - so what??????? It is Europe! not some banana republic. There are certain standards here.

 

[Skigh]

Caroline Crouch's mum 'delighted she can see her daughter in baby Lydia's eyes'

 

[Estelle]

Athens to Alonissos is a long way. How do you get there?

It appears that B's mother and brother drove to the ferry port where they met C's mother with her solicitor and handed over the baby there then the solicitor drove on to the ferry with them to try to avoid the media.

 

[Estelle]

"Babis was pressuring her - He had a plan" - Caroline's relative is shocked
Caroline's spiritual brother talks about their last communication shortly before Babis Anagnostopoulos killed her in Glyka Nera.
The 29-year-old Angelos, Caroline 's spiritual brother, is outraged and still cannot realize the unjust loss of the 20-year-old from the hands of her own husband at their house in Glyka Nera. " Anger, a lot of anger and hatred basically. I had suspected from the beginning that her husband was behind the murder. His attitude, his behavior, everything betrayed him," she said, speaking to MEGA's main news bulletin. Angelos is originally from the Philippines and his godmother is Caroline's mother, Susan, who from today takes over the custody of her granddaughter, Lydia, following a decision by the Juvenile Prosecutor's Office. "Godmother Susan will definitely feel very betrayed. Shocked, hurt, happy. She did not expect it from what I have learned. I learned about Lydia, may she live there because I know the godmother and she will raise her properly My heart was cut in half when I found out. She was a very good girl. One of the best. Like my sister I do not have," he added.
He himself learned the shocking news of the murder of the 20-year-old from television. Those minutes were nightmarish. Even today, 48 days later, it is difficult for him to realize that Carol, as he called her, is gone. "I cried a lot. I was looking for ways to find out what was going on. What was his purpose? What exactly did he want? I think he had a plan. It was not a coincidence. He had chosen her and wanted to have children early, " he said. At the same time, he described the 33-year-old pilot as a cold man and hopes that he will be convicted. "He is a cold man without feelings. No matter what happens now, Caroline will not return. If, as she said, he loved her, let her go, not kill her," said the 29-year-old.

Γλυκά Νερά: 'Ο Μπάμπης την πίεζε - Είχε σχέδιο' - Συγκλονίζει συγγενής της Καρολάιν

 

[Patrick Jane]

Toupee??? I dont think he needs it.

"Arrogance" or "Pomposity" is a better translation.

 

[Estelle]

More insights from C's godbrother

Carol was a closed character, Angelos said. She did not speak easily, she did not open up. Just 2 months ago was their last communication. She seemed troubled as if she was hiding something as he reveals today on MEGA's camera.

"She was an angel, a holy girl with a great soul and heart. We talked about two months ago. She seemed happy but it seemed to me that something was bothering her and in the end I was right. She seemed confused at times and a little anxious as we talked. After the birth she was not well and she showed it. Babis was pressuring her to do something that she did not want to do. "As if he was planning something and she did not want to do what Babis was telling her," he added.

Babis who played the loving husband until the last moment and gave a theatrical recital even in the cemetery. "The hug he gave to his mother-in-law was a knife in everyone's heart," he stressed.

Γλυκά Νερά: Συγκλονίζει ο πνευματικός αδελφός της Καρολάιν - «Μετά τη γέννα δεν ήταν καλά... Την πίεζε ο Μπάμπης» - TheCaller

 

[Dotta]

"Arrogance" or "Pomposity" is a better translation.

I see! I took it literally