Gun Control Debate #2

[bluesneakers]

I'd like to see statistics about people immigrating to the US with firearm ownership as a given reason. If anyone knows where to find that information or is a good researcher?
I looked but couldn't find anything relevant.
Thanks in advance.

I haven't seen anything either. I know a lot of people move to the USA for education opportunities, or because they work for large firms who transfer them there, or have married Americans and moved to the USA to be with their spouses.

Jobs, money, weather, families, education.. I've heard those reasons but not once have I seen/heard/read anything about it being for the guns.

 

[flourish]

I haven't seen anything either. I know a lot of people move to the USA for education opportunities, or because they work for large firms who transfer them there, or have married Americans and moved to the USA to be with their spouses.

Jobs, money, weather, families, education.. I've heard those reasons but not once have I seen/heard/read anything about it being for the guns.

Me either, which I guess is why I was confused about the argument. Smoke and mirrors, I suppose.

 

[bluesneakers]

Respectfully flourish, that might not be a good reason to give if a person wanted to be accepted into the US Talk about a red flag. I don't think we'll be able to find those statistics.

But surely there are studies about how people who live in foreign countries wish their gun laws were more like America's gun laws.

 

[bears10]

How would raising the minimum purchase age to 21 effect the military? Would the age to join the military be pushed back to 21? I’m not being sarcastic, I’m genuinely curious.

I’m not necessarily opposed to changing the age requirement or reevaluating the background check process. But I do worry that a lot of 18/19 year olds who may really benefit from joining the military, may not be able to if the age requirement changes. Again - I do not know if such a change would effect potential soldiers. It’s something I wondered. Don’t attack me plz and thx

 

[flourish]

How would raising the minimum purchase age to 21 effect the military? Would the age to join the military be pushed back to 21? I’m not being sarcastic, I’m genuinely curious.

I’m not necessarily opposed to changing the age requirement or reevaluating the background check process. But I do worry that a lot of 18/19 year olds who may really benefit from joining the military, may not be able to if the age requirement changes. Again - I do not know if such a change would effect potential soldiers. It’s something I wondered. Don’t attack me plz and thx

I figured there would be an applicable loophole?

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Ages 30 and 53, business owners. They are law-abiding citizens who can use a permitted firearm to defend their business while in their business.

I think most Americans have zero problems with this scenario.

'I'm Not Going to Be a Victim': Armed Mother & Daughter Fight Off Oklahoma Armed Robber

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/02/26/armed-mother-daughter-fight-robber-tulsa-oklahoma-liquor-store

 

[bears10]

I figured there would be an applicable loophole?

There could be. I’m really not sure that’s why I asked. Idk if being in the service would make the age requirement different.

 

[flourish]

There could be. I’m really not sure that’s why I asked. Idk if being in the service would make the age requirement different.

It's a good question. I don't know, either. I think it's weird they we have different ages for alcohol and the military, too. It's interesting how these things evolve and such.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Gahhhh, next thing you know everyone'll have to be 21 years old to dri—

DANGIT!! We're too late!

:winko:

I figured there would be an applicable loophole?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Ages 30 and 53, business owners. They are law-abiding citizens who can use a permitted firearm to defend their business while in their business.

I think most Americans have zero problems with this scenario.

I sure don't.

But some Americans are saying that these women were only trying to keep their money while making jokes about old TV shows.

Not funny.

 

[bears10]

It's a good question. I don't know, either. I think it's weird they we have different ages for alcohol and the military, too. It's interesting how these things evolve and such.

I didn’t know they had different drinking ages in the military, unless they were overseas in a country with a different drinking age.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

So we should all have machine guns? Or Europe has some catching up to do?

Hm. Overall injuries and deaths, from first glance, seem to be far lower overall, and less frequent. But I guess the bigger question is, what level is tolerable? Zero, five, 11, 800?
Wake up, you say? Some of are woke, bobcat. lol :seeya:

More info, timeline of mass shootings over one-year span:

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/4wb9p3/mass-shootings-in-europe-in-2016

Some of you talk as if there are no mass shootings in Europe, supposedly due to strict gun control. Well that’s simply not the case. Wake up.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/201...mass-shooting-attacks-like-las-vegas.amp.html


(ETA: the text bobcat quoted from the opinion article, for context)

"Countries such as France may have made all semi-automatic guns illegal, but that hasn’t stopped killers from getting fully automatic machine guns to use in mass shooting attacks. All four of the 2015 mass public shooting in France involved machine guns, including the 130 people killed in November of that year in multiple attacks including one at a concert venue.

"In the 1970s, 80s and 90s, Europe saw machine gun attacks in airports and nightclubs by groups such as Black September and the Red Army Faction. In fact, machine guns are commonly used in mass shootings in the rest of the world."

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Hahahaaa. It's ageist, yes, but I don't understand how it's pro- or anti- gun reform, from how you've described it.

OK. Seriously, though. Perhaps I missed it, but I didn't see anyone here saying those things? If anyone here is doing that, I suggest maybe flagging the comment for possible ToS violation.

I sure don't.

But some Americans are saying that these women were only trying to keep their money while making jokes about old TV shows.

Not funny.

 

[flourish]

I didn’t know they had different drinking ages in the military, unless they were overseas in a country with a different drinking age.

No I mean the drinking age is 21, but selective service age is 18.

 

[bluedivergirl]

So we should all have machine guns? Or Europe has some catching up to do?

Hm. Overall injuries and deaths, from first glance, seem to be far lower overall. But I guess the bigger question is, what level is tolerable? Zero, five, 11, 800?

Wake up, you say? Some of are woke, bobcat. lol :seeya:

More info, timeline of mass shootings over one-year span:

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/4wb9p3/mass-shootings-in-europe-in-2016

The USA does not have machine guns available to the general public.

I am so flipping tired of posting that.

Automatic weapons have been banned to the general public since 1934.

 

[ohreally]

How would raising the minimum purchase age to 21 effect the military? Would the age to join the military be pushed back to 21? I’m not being sarcastic, I’m genuinely curious.

I’m not necessarily opposed to changing the age requirement or reevaluating the background check process. But I do worry that a lot of 18/19 year olds who may really benefit from joining the military, may not be able to if the age requirement changes. Again - I do not know if such a change would effect potential soldiers. It’s something I wondered. Don’t attack me plz and thx

I am thinking that it will be that 18-21 year olds would be able to use guns for thier jobs in the military, but just not allowed to own them. As the law is now any age can shoot a gun and do for hunting and target practice. It is just that no one under 18 can own them.
ETA: I am pretty sure all guns used by military personnl are owned by the government and not the individual. I don't think changing the age would effect the military.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Hahahaaa.

OK. Seriously, though. Perhaps I missed it, but I didn't see anyone here saying those things?

If anyone here is doing that, I suggest maybe flagging the comment for possible ToS violation.

I didn't say that anyone here on Websleuths said anything like that in my post. What makes you think that is the case?

 

[bears10]

I feel like anyone in this thread who supports mentally stable citizens owning guns is met with a lot of aggression. I’m going to unsubscribe. For the record, I don’t own a gun, and never even shot a gun. I don’t think teachers being armed is the best solution. But since I do realize that the problem is not the law abiding citizens (who have a right to bear arms), my perspective is not going to be tolerated. Law abiding citizens have no problem with stricter gun laws, because they aren’t the people we have to worry about.

Good luck going door to door collecting 300 million guns from civilians, considering probably more than 99% of them are law abiding and have the right to own their guns.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Hahahaaaaaaaa! Oh, my! :fainted:

Yeah, I know. Apologies for the confusion! I just ETA'd the post to insert the referred-to text for context, so I hope it makes more sense now. You won't have to tell me twice, I promise.

The USA does not have machine guns available to the general public.

I am so flipping tired of posting that.

Automatic weapons have been banned to the general public since 1934.

 

[Tillicum]

Another question if someone can answer. If the age is upped to 21, could an 18, 19 or 20 year old borrow and possess the gun legally without owning it? Say a 19 year old mother of a newborn is being threatened by baby daddy, could she borrow dad's gun and keep it at her house/apartment?