Gun Control Debate #2

[bears10]

Many are being critical of the current administration and gun reform. I would have to ask why didn't the previous administration get it done?

Bump stocks were approved during the previous administration.

 

[Spellbound]

To own a pitbull is a choice. To own a gun is a Constitutional right. I don't see how these two can be compared.

Aren’t they both choices? I choose not to own either, but have owned guns in recent years, and do not mind the neighbor’s pitties. I no longer feel a need for either in my home. Just because it is my “right”, I still have the choice to own or not ....

 

[AzPistonsGirl]

Unless you’re a mind reader you don’t know how everyone feels in the countries you named.

Neither do you... yet you purport that everyone wants to move here as if YOU can read their minds. Kettle, meet pot.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Bump stocks were approved during the previous administration.

They also chose not to prosecute most people for lying on the federal application for gun ownership.

(Lying on an ATF Form 4473 constitutes a felony and is punishable by a $250,000 fine and 10 years in federal prison.)

 

[bobcat]

Neither do you... yet you purport that everyone wants to move here as if YOU can read their minds. Kettle, meet pot.

No, I don’t believe I said “everyone” wants to move here.

Of the people I know, they all feel the countries with governments that don’t trust their citizens with firearms are the laughingstock.

We like our country and our so called “gun culture” just fine.

 

[CARIIS]

Bump stocks were approved during the previous administration.

ATF had concluded that bump stocks did not violate federal law

what they are doing is letting the dept fall apart . Look at its name ATF!


A.T.F. says it remains unable to fulfill even basic regulatory responsibilities, including inspections of firearms dealers — something the bureau says presents a “significant risk to public safety.”
The A.T.F. is also bracing for the departure of nearly a fifth of its roughly 2,500 special agents. Of them, 499 are at least 50 years old, according to the budget proposal, and face mandatory retirement at 57.
Last year, 141 agents retired from the A.T.F., Mr. Jackson said, and only 117 were hired

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/22/us/politics/trump-atf-nra.html

 

[AzPistonsGirl]

No, I don’t believe I said “everyone” wants to move here.

Of the people I know, they all feel the countries with governments that don’t trust their citizens with firearms are the laughingstock.

We like our country and our so called “gun culture” just fine.

fine. You said "so many people from other countries..." So, THOSE people you personally know from other countries want to move here? Why not just say that then? There are channels for that and they are welcome, of course.

 

[CARIIS]

No, I don’t believe I said “everyone” wants to move here.

Of the people I know, they all feel the countries with governments that don’t trust their citizens with firearms are the laughingstock.

We like our country and our so called “gun culture” just fine.

In rural settings might be accurate in the urban settings I think it may be different and we are certainly learning now that millennials think this is the stupidest stuff they have
ever seen !!

 

[Spellbound]

Georgia lieutenant govenor may have Delta changing thier mind about pulling sponsorship away from the NRA.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-will-block-legislation-favoring-airline.html

So we’re back to blackmailing each other to get what we want? “Do it or else” is no way to run a government (and I don’t intend to argue with anyone about how that’s the way it’s done.

 

[southernmimi]

Aren’t they both choices? I choose not to own either, but have owned guns in recent years, and do not mind the neighbor’s pitties. I no longer feel a need for either in my home. Just because it is my “right”, I still have the choice to own or not ....

Of course they are both a choice to own...and individual choice to have a dog or a gun. However, the Constitution is the law of our land so that supercedes what we would like for others to choose. We don't get to select whether someone has or gun or not.

 

[bluesneakers]

I’m not so sure about that. Plenty of people would love to have our freedoms and our opportunities to own as many firearms as we want.

I don't know anyone from NZ, Australia, Canada, the UK, Japan, etc., etc., who thinks American gun laws are sensible or would consider moving to the USA in order to own as many firearms as possible. Conversations about people we know can go back and forth all day. So. Do you have any numbers to support these claims? Like a poll of what citizens in the UK (or any other first world country) think of their own gun laws, especially in comparison to US gun laws? What percentage of people in -pick a country- envy America's gun culture?

 

[CARIIS]

Of course they are both a choice to own...and individual choice to have a dog or a gun. However, the Constitution is the law of our land so that supercedes what we would like for others to choose. We don't get to select whether someone has or gun or not.

Lawyer Airi

Second amendment
Does not apply to assault weapons

it is not in it

key word being assault weapons

second amendment does not prevent us from regulating weapons of war

Supreme court has never ruled weapons of war SC has denied that argument 3x

it is totally legal when it is about weapons of of war


second amend does protect handguns under second amendment

second amendment according to our SC does not protect assault weapons from being banned

way to look it up sounds like it would be does the supreme court say that assault weapons and or weapons of war cant not be protected there answer has consistently been no it does not include assault weapons only hand guns per SC.

MSNBC


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[bluedivergirl]

I agree with you on everything except the gun laws in Japan. They have hardly any gun deaths and they do hunt. I assume shotguns are rifles.

No, they are not.

Completely different weapons. A rifle fires one solid bullet, typical at a large mammal.

A shotgun fires a shell, a plastic (nowdays) tube filled with bee-bees of varying sizes. The size BBs you choose related to the size of the animal you are hunting. You can also obtain a shotgun shell with a hunk of metal in it, referred to as a slug. I don't think they are common any more. If someone is more up to date than I am, I welcome their input.

 

[Spellbound]

Of course they are both a choice to own...and individual choice to have a dog or a gun. However, the Constitution is the law of our land so that supercedes what we would like for others to choose. We don't get to select whether someone has or gun or not.

I must really be dense tonight, as I’m still not following your logic (or maybe "comparison" would be a better word?). I don’t get to choose whether someone owns a dog of any specific breed, either. Yet some areas do ban what they consider dangerous breeds. Are you saying that any change would mean you are then being told who can own a gun? How so? Because perhaps we want mentally unstable to not have access? Or want change to the type of guns we are allowed? Please help me understand if you can, because I don’t think we are that far apart.

And for the record, just because I may disagree, doesn’t mean someone else has the wrong view.

 

[bears10]

In rural settings might be accurate in the urban settings I think it may be different and we are certainly learning now that millennials think this is the stupidest stuff they have
ever seen !!

I think you mean gen Z, but I get your point.

OT - I had to google the phrase for that age group gen z) so I googled millennial, figuring it would lead me in the right direction. The headlines that come up are “32% of millennials would break up with their SO for a $37,000 raise”. “Millennials set to be the fattest generation” “Study - millennials going days without brushing their teeth”. It’s so funny to me that society thinks so poorly of my generation. FWIW, I brush my teeth at LEAST two times a day. [emoji1]

 

[CARIIS]

So we’re back to blackmailing each other to get what we want? “Do it or else” is no way to run a government (and I don’t intend to argue with anyone about how that’s the way it’s done.

We have to wait I think it came out of Fox so we should just wait and see!!

They are nuts! You can be on PBS then jump to fox in another universe

YOu can be on ABC and jump over they are on a different planet

You can be on CBS and jump over there and they are in a different space ship

You can be on BBC and they are in another galaxy

My fav recent one was Mueller indictments last Fri and they were doing big foot and some lady is filing a lawsuit something about big foot ( don't know if it was for bigfoot or against bigfoot!) obviously I went back to sanity!

I cant listen to any of em but it can be a hoot to just keep a window open and when anyone of the authentic legacy outfits go to commercial jump over to the other window with the sound off and just read the title card on the bottom!

It is hysterical

 

[CoverMeCagney]

It's midnight here now and this thread has peed me right off tonight, it's not why I am on this forum. So before I turn in I will say I have "met" some fantastic Americans here, way more than I will ever meet in real life. You guys rock and like most of you I want all this to just stop. Nowhere is perfect, every country has its issues, just it's your issue in the spotlight right now... but know we are right behind you.

 

[bluesneakers]

Of course they are both a choice to own...and individual choice to have a dog or a gun. However, the Constitution is the law of our land so that supercedes what we would like for others to choose. We don't get to select whether someone has or gun or not.

Yes we do.

Federal law prohibits the purchase and possession of firearms by people who fall within certain categories, such as convicted felons, domestic abusers, and people with specific kinds of mental health histories.1 Although background checks have prevented over 2.8 million people in these categories from obtaining guns,2 federal law does not generally include other types of people identified by public health researchers as being at a significantly higher risk than the general population of being dangerous, including:

Those who have been convicted of violent or gun-related misdemeanors.
Those with a history of abusing alcohol or drugs.
Those convicted of juvenile offenses.
Additional people who have suffered from severe mental illness.

And Oregon just passed a bill to ban convicted domestic abusers (regardless of relationship to the victim, closing the "boyfriend loophole") and stalkers from buying or owning guns.


http://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-l...n-have-a-gun/categories-of-prohibited-people/
http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2018/02/oregon_passes_gun_control_bill.html

 

[Spellbound]

Bump stocks were approved during the previous administration.

I didn't know any states banned bump stocks, but there actually are two:
Massachusetts and New Jersey — two Northern, relatively liberal states with Republican governors but Democratic legislatures — that approved bump-stock bans late last year.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bump-stocks-bans_us_5a94258fe4b0b8607fdc0445


Interesting article on bump stocks and why they were allowed, and the possibility that they may become banned
http://www.9news.com/article/news/l...tion-declined-to-ban-bump-stocks/73-481089476

 

[CARIIS]

I think you mean gen Z, but I get your point.

OT - I had to google the phrase for that age group gen z) so I googled millennial, figuring it would lead me in the right direction. The headlines that come up are “32% of millennials would break up with their SO for a $37,000 raise”. “Millennials set to be the fattest generation” “Study - millennials going days without brushing their teeth”. It’s so funny to me that society thinks so poorly of my generation. FWIW, I brush my teeth at LEAST two times a day. [emoji1]

What gen are the Parkland kids I don't know because I am from the dead generation!