Gun Control Debate #2

[CARIIS]

Really! We must counter that crazy idea. Who elected them? Or is it the other way around?

Corporations cutting off NRA members discount programs:

This could actually work out ! As all these corporations get away from them maybe members wont have money for machine guns -- we might be on to something!!

THe first to toss em was
Bank of Omaha, one of the largest private banks in the United States,

rental car giant Enterprise then told em they have to pay full price

Shortly after Hertz, bounced them

a little later Avis tossed em

after that North American Van Lines got rid of the benefit

then Allied Van Lines said bye bye

Then the computer giant Symantec took em up to full price

MetLife stepped up next after which Best Western bounced their programs

Wyndham Hotels spoke up next and cut em off

Delta stepped up next and instantly told em its over and to take any reference to them off there stuff instantly.

Several hours later United kicked em out

Ramada and Days Inn then said farewell.


Norton computer folks shortly thereafter cut all ties.


Its Monday so we probably wont know about the next ones till tomm


https://www.change.org/p/jeff-bezos-remove-nratv-from-amazon-s-streaming-service-website

cnn

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/02/23/588233273/one-by-one-companies-cut-ties-with-nra





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[bluesneakers]

LOL.

Can anyone explain why Trump is giving over power or even taking into consideration the views of the NRA.
He keeps saying they ( the NRA) will do the right thing.

Because the NRA spent $36million to get him elected.

 

[bobcat]

I did the math for you my dear. It is a whopping $29. a week Before taxes...pls be careful of the stampede for those that want to sign up for this winner!

Would you go to Paris or London with this windfall??

Get in line now don't do that - will never happen

We don't have any money to build some roads !!

I’m pretty sure for the school employees who already carry concealed weapons in their everyday life, it wouldn’t be about the money. Not at all. It’s about having the ability to protect yourself and others around you, if necessary. And these are the people who would be carrying handguns while on the job. They’re already accustomed to it, it’s just a matter of letting them do so while working as a teacher or other school employee.

 

[kimlynn]

Yes and he isn't even smart enough to try and hide that they (NRA) are in control. IMO
Sorry meant that post for bluesneakers.

 

[bobcat]

I feel and believe as everyone should that those weapons tumble the bullets and those bullets destroy even organs that cannot be repaired. There is no possible need for weapons such as that. Not even for target practice,

And someone’s need for a hobby does not trump the right for children and others to lve.

Not sure where you’re getting your information but bullets fired from an AR-15 do not tumble. If they do, it’s a defective firearm. The damage the bullet does that you’re referring to is due to the high velocity.

 

[bobcat]

But they have a vested interest in leaving things as they are. And why are we giving away our power to the NRA?
I think I know why but wanted to see if others are as angry as I am.

I don’t know that we are “giving away our power to the NRA.” Where did you hear that? I’m guessing CNN?

 

[kimlynn]

I don’t know that we are “giving away our power to the NRA.” Where did you hear that? I’m guessing CNN?

From Mr Trump. He has been saying that the NRA will do the right thing.What do you take from that?

 

[kay74]

Sounds like a horrible place to live where everything in your life is controlled by the government. We sure don’t need to be like Japan. Won’t ever happen anyway as you’d need to get rid of the 2nd Amendment first. Can’t own a rifle in Japan even after jumping through all the hoops? How do they hunt?

I agree with you on everything except the gun laws in Japan. They have hardly any gun deaths and they do hunt. I assume shotguns are rifles.

 

[rosemadderlake]

We are going to have the gunfight at the OK Corral as a new norm for schools? We are accepting that guns are so important that having armed camps like a war torn nation is normal? All because some people want to have weapons that have bullets that tumble and toss the inside of humans like a salad?

Think the adults have watched too many movies.

These mass shooting casualties are sounding like the body counts I heard on the news at night in the 70's. How many in congress, both sides, in the NRA, remember those times? How many from that generation grew up with not a thought in the world about going to school and getting shot up? And now, we are going to turn this country in to our very own war zone?

All because we let that horse out of the barn 15 years ago in letting the assault ban expire, we can't bring it back and fix it...

We are no strangers to violence but what is it going to take? The Brady Bill was passed after Reagan was shot... We didn't arm congress. We did the right thing.

Congress averted a major tragedy at baseball practice that day because of those two brave security agents. And afterwards, nothing. And that was how many mass shootings ago?

 

[bobcat]

From Mr Trump. He has been saying that the NRA will do the right thing.What do you take from that?

I have no idea but I’d guess he’s saying the NRA will support any changes that will help to make America’s schools safer.

 

[bluesneakers]

From Mr Trump. He has been saying that the NRA will do the right thing.What do you take from that?

Suspicious it's up to them to do anything. They shouldn't have any power. They are a private organization, not a branch of government. Does he say the same thing about the ACLU? NOW? The NAACP?

 

[kimlynn]

I have no idea but I’d guess he’s saying the NRA will support any changes that will help to make America’s schools safer.

He has been saying that they will do the right thing as though it is up to them. I find it offensive that we need to coddle and take into account the views of the NRA when they represent the makers of guns.
Do we really need their permission to make any changes on gun control?

 

[rosemadderlake]

Wayne La Pierre's speech was broadcast directly, and highlighted on all news stations...

It's very clear to me where the NRA stands on a multitude of issues.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Many are being critical of the current administration and gun reform. I would have to ask why didn't the previous administration get it done?

 

[CARIIS]

opppss sorry just found out about these guys they just kicked em out

TrueCar: The online car-buying service is ending its deal for NRA members, who previously saved an average of nearly $3,400 off retail price of new and used vehicles.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2018/02/26/nra-companies-parkland-school-shooting/372271002/e

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Just wanted to bring this over from a thread about pitbulls. These quotes can also apply to the gun debate and are a good explanation about the inherent sociological and cultural mindset differences between America and other first world countries. .

Quote Originally Posted by Kaley Smith:
In the UK, Canada and Australia, safety trumps freedom. In the USA it does not. The price of their freedom, whether it be guns or the right to own pitbulls, sadly is many deaths.

Quote Originally Posted by MelmothTheLost:
I'd say it's more about competing freedoms. There's the freedom to do something (to own a potentially lethal dog) and the freedom from something (to not be at risk from a potentially lethal dog). The US comes down on one side of that equation and other countries come down on the other side of it.

 

[CARIIS]

Many are being critical of the current administration and gun reform. I would have to ask why didn't the previous administration get it done?

Obama endlessly tried congress would not cooperate

he was able to connect SS disability for ental illness to the gun data base but the minutes Trump got he wiped it out

its the past tho nothing we can do all we can do now is look forward

 

[bluesneakers]

Just wanted to bring this over from a thread about pitbulls. These quotes can also apply to the gun debate and are a good explanation about the inherent sociological and cultural mindset differences between America and other first world countries. .

Quote Originally Posted by Kaley Smith:
In the UK, Canada and Australia, safety trumps freedom. In the USA it does not. The price of their freedom, whether it be guns or the right to own pitbulls, sadly is many deaths.

Quote Originally Posted by MelmothTheLost:
I'd say it's more about competing freedoms. There's the freedom to do something (to own a potentially lethal dog) and the freedom from something (to not be at risk from a potentially lethal dog). The US comes down on one side of that equation and other countries come down on the other side of it.

Some people try to romanticize it and say it's freedom and rugged individualism, but in the end it's just selfishness.

 

[southernmimi]

To own a pitbull is a choice. To own a gun is a Constitutional right. I don't see how these two can be compared.

 

[rosemadderlake]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...994-and-why-it-worked/?utm_term=.e8224b75a81d



This article describes the tipping points that led to the original assault weapon ban signed in 1994. This ban was to specifically reduce mass shootings.

And the evidence showed it did.

We are not getting it. Feinstein tried to reintroduce the ban a couple of times.