Gun Control Debate #5

[KaaBoom]

School shootings have a way with messing with school time.

True. Stoneman Douglas High School was closed for two weeks after the shooting. Which is just the price we have to pay for the Second Amendment. But if classes are let out for 15 minutes to protest the shooting, that is bad. It's complete hypocrisy.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

During Student Walkout, Illinois Lawmakers Send Gun Control Bills to Governor

http://www.governing.com/topics/public-justice-safety/tns-illinois-gun-veto.html

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

http://bangordailynews.com/2018/03/15/news/nation/todays-gun-control-debate-has-echoes-of-1934/

Today’s gun control debate has echoes of 1934

 

[KaaBoom]

HA! I forgot about those. Both of those were excused in my high school. High Catholic population in a rural community.

Going hunting = excused absence.
Protesting school shootings = unexcused absence.

The little things that show the mentality of a country.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

On Day of National Walkout, Delaware Advances 4 Gun Control Bills

http://www.governing.com/topics/pub...ut-Delaware-Advances-4-Gun-Control-Bills.html

The legislation includes proposals to ban bump stocks, enact harsher penalties for "straw" purchases, raise the legal age at which someone can buy a rifle and allow police to temporarily take guns away from someone deemed a danger to themselves and others.

All four measures were moved out of committee and could come up for a vote in the full House or Senate as early as Thursday.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

The NRA is not protecting your Second Amendment rights. They could care less about the Second Amendment. They are protecting their gun sales.

Agreed, KaaBoom. Seems like a lot of gun owners agree, including this Republican father. Interesting op-ed column:

I'm a dad, and a Republican — the NRA must get out of the way of 'common good'

http://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/2018/03/1st_amendment_limits_in_place_for_the_common_good.html

 

[PrairieWind]

I'm a Dad as well. I support the NRA. They are indeed defending the 2nd Amendment on behalf of all Americans. You don't have to thank them.

 

[bobcat]

Sad day for you. There was a walk out in Olympia. You are right. Schools are a place for learning, not a place for getting shot.

Local students join national school walkout to protest gun violence _ The Olympianl

I don't live in Olympia, it's just the nearest city from where I live, and it's where I grew up, but haven't lived there for 25 years. I did hear about some Olympia area schools participating in the walk out yesterday. Just made me even more thankful I don't live in Olympia anymore.

 

[bobcat]

Going hunting = excused absence.
Protesting school shootings = unexcused absence.

The little things that show the mentality of a country.

The difference is the first one is a requested absence by the parents, while the second one is not, and for many is just an excuse to get out of class and follow the crowd.

 

[flourish]

The difference is the first one is a requested absence by the parents, while the second one is not, and for many is just an excuse to get out of class and follow the crowd.

Many kids who go hunting are just giving into the gun culture peer pressure and just use it as an excuse to get out of class and follow the crowd. So sad these children feel so pressured to kill animals.

 

[bobcat]

Many kids who go hunting are just giving into the gun culture peer pressure and just use it as an excuse to get out of class and follow the crowd. So sad these children feel so pressured to kill animals.

Hunting has nothing to do with the so called "gun culture," but I'm sure you know that. I'd say more but I'm afraid I'd be getting too far off topic so I'll leave it at that.

 

[rosemadderlake]

Some of you lot are gonna get really told off when mum gets home....

Lololol!!! Ain't that the truth... I might be the first in line for that!!

Ok, today is like living in a future time warp...

My generation of peeps had no idea of the scope of a resistance until the Sunday paper came out reporting on it in depth. You know?

So I apologize to all for my impatience. I know, when I'm bad, I'm really bad...

In a way that's still true because to protest or not on school time is about much more than school...

Why? McGovern vs Nixon 1972. Slam dunk for the conservatives.

So, while I bask in the memory of my ground breaking east coast rebel society back then, my generation also had a wake up call. (Take watergate off the table)

Since then, I learned what conservatism meant. It's about a whole lot more than a revolution or a resistance to it.

Since then, (can't believe I'm saying this) I understand why...

There is bedrock. History. Generations of strife. But it all ignites from the same place. Like Mother Earth...

So while this generation experiences a rebel spirit instantly on a global scale, its depth does not travel at the same speed. Imo

This generation of kids, while a powerful spirit, will find out the checks and balances the same way my generation did... Ahhhh, older rebel spirit age... By 1968 we mourned the assassinations. It was soul crushing.

. . By the 1980s we mourned the death of a giant voice for peace in John Lennon, and after that Reagan was shot, the courage of the Brady Bill. No one was safe.

Has it changed?

If I am in trouble with mum, it is with good reason.

Then like now, "this ain't no party, this ain't no disco".

 

[Betty P]

I don't visit this thread often,but am really disappointed to see so much hate and anger here directed towards the kids who walked out in protest yesterday. Disgraceful.

None of us can imagine how difficult it is to be a student today attending school in fear, in a locked down environment. It must be terrifying for them. They have every right to express their opinions. What's the harm and danger in walking out of school for an hour or two to gather in silent prayer and protest?

My friends, siblings and I did it a couple of times in high school to protest the Vietnam War. We missed a couple of hours of school and still graduated with honors, got college degrees. We all turned out ok. These kids will be fine. Please leave them alone if you can't say something constructive. TIA

 

[Betty P]

On Day of National Walkout, Delaware Advances 4 Gun Control Bills

http://www.governing.com/topics/pub...ut-Delaware-Advances-4-Gun-Control-Bills.html

The legislation includes proposals to ban bump stocks, enact harsher penalties for "straw" purchases, raise the legal age at which someone can buy a rifle and allow police to temporarily take guns away from someone deemed a danger to themselves and others.

All four measures were moved out of committee and could come up for a vote in the full House or Senate as early as Thursday.

I guess many of these states are making some kind of effort, but JMO, these bills are all really weak. We need more. We need better.

 

[bluesneakers]

What has that got to do with anything?

I interpreted it like this:

What we do is what we do
It's all the same, there's nothing new

Shooting - thoughts and prayers - call for action - silence/nothing changes - shooting - thoughts and prayers - calls for action - silence/nothing changes... .

 

[rosemadderlake]

SundayReview

Why We Should Lower the Voting Age to 16
Gray Matter
By LAURENCE STEINBERG MARCH 2, 2018


The young people who have come forward to call for gun control in the wake of the mass shooting at their high school in Parkland, Fla., are challenging the tiresome stereotype of American kids as indolent narcissists whose brains have been addled by smartphones. They offer an inspiring example of thoughtful, eloquent protest.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/02/opinion/sunday/voting-age-school-shootings.html


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Posting this thought again on this thread...

bbm. This is why I believe, know, and know from experience how deep this age group really is.



From lessons learned, they last a lifetime.

 

[bluesneakers]

Many kids who go hunting are just giving into the gun culture peer pressure and just use it as an excuse to get out of class and follow the crowd. So sad these children feel so pressured to kill animals.

Yes, especially because deer and ducks and elk don't care if you kill them on a Wednesday or a Saturday. It's like these parents don't care about their kids' education!

 

[PrairieWind]

http://www.actionnewsnow.com/content/news/Anti-gun-protest-turns-rowdy-in-Stockton-475063913.html

I'm thinking maybe these kids should have stayed in school instead.

 

[rosemadderlake]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/05/...the-left-who-wants-to-be-liberal-anymore.html

When it comes to diagnosing liberalism, both left and right focus on this same set of debilitating traits: arrogance, hypocrisy, pusillanimity, the insulated superiority of what, in 1969, a New York mayoral candidate called the ‘‘limousine liberal.’’ In other words, the features they use to distinguish liberals aren’t policies so much as attitudes. The profane hosts of the popular podcast ‘‘Chapo Trap House,’’ prime originators of the left’s liberal-bashing, spend a good deal of airtime making fun of liberal cultural life, with one common target being fervor for the musical ‘‘Hamilton.’’ ‘‘Nothing has represented them more: a hagiographical musical where they can pretend to be intersectional and pretend to be multicultural,’’ said Felix Biederman, a co-host, on the second episode of the show. ‘‘They have no policy. They’re all cultural signifiers.’’

To be a ‘‘liberal,’’ in this account, is in some sense to be a fake. It’s to shroud an ambiguous, even reactionary agenda under a superficial commitment to social justice and moderate, incremental change. American liberalism was once associated with something far more robust, with immoderate presidents and spectacular waves of legislation like Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal and Lyndon Johnson’s Great Society. Today’s liberals stand accused of forsaking the clarity and ambition of even that flawed legacy. To call someone a liberal now, in other words, is often to denounce him or her as having abandoned liberalism.

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IMO- these kids today will have a lot to unpack...

 

[Maroon10]

I'm a Dad as well. I support the NRA. They are indeed defending the 2nd Amendment on behalf of all Americans. You don't have to thank them.

Gun sales, you mean gun sales.