Gun Control Debate #5

[rsd1200]

I'm not judging him. I think we all should do what we're comfortable with within reason. Just curious about his thoughts and why he felt it was so important.
But in the scheme of things it really doesn't matter. IMO
ETA and hope he will be okay with the attention that came his way as a result of his action.

He said he didn't think that school was the place for politics, so, he chose to sit both options out. The whole thing got confused, after the other kid posted the citation. His father said some folks thought his son got suspended for walking out. They then thought his father was involved, behind the son, getting suspended for walking out, so, he began getting angry comments, and phone calls, which included death threats. The father has even considered having to change his phone number if it doesn't die down.[FONT=arial, sans-serif] These folks sending death threats to any of the kids or their families should be tracked down and hauled to court. [/FONT]

 

[kimlynn]

He said he didn't think that school was the place for politics, so, he chose to sit both options out. The whole thing got confused, after the other kid posted the citation. His father said some folks thought his son got suspended for walking out. They then thought his father was involved, behind the son, getting suspended for walking out, so, he began getting angry comments, and phone calls, which included death threats. The father has even considered having to change his phone number if it doesn't die down.[FONT=arial, sans-serif] These folks sending death threats to any of the kids or their families should be tracked down and hauled to court. [/FONT]

According to this school it wasn't political. It was a memorial for the 17 that died. I agree regarding the death threats.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

People are not dighting over popular somgs or shoes. They are figthing over the fact that kids do not want to die.

It is freaking bizarre to call it political. The most basic of things. They do not want to die. I just cannot get over the insanity of fighting over it.

The gun debate is political. What's bizarre is allowing a political protest in school. The protest organizers (Women's March Youth Empower) are all left wing democrats. There wasn't any bipartisan organization in my opinion.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Hahaha Fox News

Chicago students allowed to protest for gun control trash Walmart: ‘This doesn’t help us’

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/mar/16/chicago-students-allowed-to-protest-for-gun-contro/

Police are analyzing surveillance video of a Thursday rampage in Chicago’s South Side that led to a Walmart being turned upside down. Roughly 40 to 60 kids from Simeon Career Academy exploited the day of activism by looting and destroying property.

 

[rsd1200]

According to this school it wasn't political. It was a memorial for the 17 that died. I agree regarding the death threats.

I know. However, knowing how teens are, it's not a stretch of the imagination that one or two would still think that's it's political. He may not have felt comfortable at a "memorial" and if he went to study hall, it meant he wasn't participating in the memorial. Maybe he's just not comfortable with "group" gatherings. Idk. He just didn't seem that upset with his punishment. I think the kid who posted his citation got this ball rolling. The kid then showed the citation, to prove that the school did not suspend him for "walking out". They suspended him for not obeying a rule. He was actually trying to stop the ball.

 

[kimlynn]

The gun debate is political. What's bizarre is allowing a political protest in school. The protest organizers (Women's March Youth Empower) are all left wing democrats. There wasn't any bipartisan organization in my opinion.

It's only political because people are making it political.
Students don't leave their right to protest at the school door. IMO

 

[ohreally]

About 60 students from a Chicago high school used their time during the National School Walkout protest to wreak havoc at a Walmart, witnesses say -- and police are investigating.

“We are very concerned that a walkout intended to promote peace instead led to vandalism and violence,” a Chicago Public Schools spokesperson said in a statement.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/1...t-during-national-school-walkout-protest.html

Also from your link there were gunshots going off in the parking lot and they had smoke bombs. Pretty sure these students are too concerned with school safety.
They pounced on cars in the lot, vandalized two of the school buses parked there, threw Gatorade bottles at shoppers, smoke bombs, and we heard gun shots in the parking lot.”

 

[kimlynn]

I know. However, knowing how teens are, it's not a stretch of the imagination that one or two would still think that's it's political. He may not have felt comfortable at a "memorial" and if he went to study hall, it meant he wasn't participating in the memorial. Maybe he's just not comfortable with "group" gatherings. Idk. He just didn't seem that upset with his punishment. I think the kid who posted his citation got this ball rolling. The kid then showed the citation, to prove that the school did not suspend him for "walking out". They suspended him for not obeying a rule. He was actually trying to stop the ball.

I agree with the thought the memorial might be viewed as veering toward the political. Probably a lot of back and forth with the planning might have led to a confusing message for the students.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

The gun debate is political. What's bizarre is allowing a political protest in school. The protest organizers (Women's March Youth Empower) are all left wing democrats. There wasn't any bipartisan organization in my opinion.

What a bizarre thing to imply that youths who are tired of being gunned down in schools and say as much are a bunch of left-wing democrats.

They’re students.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...-walkout-student-profiles-20180307-story.html

http://mainepublic.org/post/portlan...gun-violence-horrible-new-reality-us#stream/0

https://www.buzzfeed.com/juliareinstein/parkland-walkouts?utm_term=.leb2v210pQ#.oiB3g31JwW

https://qz.com/1226812/school-walkout-us-students-will-protest-for-gun-control-nationwide/

http://www.wral.com/students-organizing-nationwide-walkout-over-gun-violence/17402383/

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/14/us/national-school-walkout-gun-violence-protests/index.html

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/r...un-violence/6xySlqWpIJucXzvzhbaD3J/story.html

 

[rsd1200]

It's only political because people are making it political.
Students don't leave their right to protest at the school door. IMO

But it is political, they are, basically, petitioning the Government for a redress of grievances. That's deeply political and part of our 1A. Our rights to peacefully assemble/protest and freedom of speech are only protected from being penalized by the government. I can't just go into my employer's place of business and say anything I want, or take off work to march, and think that my job will be protected. It won't, unless I have approved vacation time. Look at folks who have made terrible posts on their SM, the government won't penalize them, but their employer's have fired them, and the public can take them to task too (and have done so).

 

[rsd1200]

I agree with the thought the memorial might be viewed as veering toward the political. Probably a lot of back and forth with the planning might have led to a confusing message for the students.

I think he just didn't feel that he fit at either place so he sat them both out, and it got all blown out of proportion after his citation got posted.

 

[ohreally]

It's only political because people are making it political.
Students don't leave their right to protest at the school door. IMO

They don't leave thier rights at the door, but walking out of class is not part of thier 1st amendment right. It is against school policy to walk out of school and has consequences.

 

[kimlynn]

But it is political, they are, basically, petitioning the Government for a redress of grievances. That's deeply political and part of our 1A. Our rights to peacefully assemble/protest and freedom of speech are only protected from being penalized by the government. I can't just go into my employer's place of business and say anything I want, or take off work to march, and think that my job will be protected. It won't, unless I have approved vacation time. Look at folks who have made terrible posts on their SM, the government won't penalize them, but their employer's have fired them, and the public can take them to task too (and have done so).

My point which wasn't clear is that it shouldn't be made into an issue of politics. Both sides should be willing to work together in order to improve safety for students and all of us for that matter.
Right now it seems like positions are along party lines for the most part. IMO

 

[rsd1200]

They don't leave thier rights at the door, but walking out of class is not part of thier 1st amendment right. It is against school policy to walk out of school and has consequences.

They can discipline them for walking out, just not more harshly for doing so b/c of a political stance.

 

[kimlynn]

They don't leave thier rights at the door, but walking out of class is not part of thier 1st amendment right. It is against school policy to walk out of school and has consequences.

My response was in regard to the planned walkout that many schools supported.

 

[rsd1200]

My point which wasn't clear is that it shouldn't be made into an issue of politics. Both sides should be willing to work together in order to improve safety for students and all of us for that matter.
Right now it seems like positions are along party lines for the most part. IMO

Agree. Our politicians have been pitting us against one another. It's time to get some of these dinosaurs out, no matter their political leanings.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

I made it clear that the organizer (Women's March Youth Empower) were left wing. I didn't say anything about the students.

Left wing and right wing describe political affiliations. There's nothing wrong with those words. Calling people 'a bunch of' might be a bit more provocative but those are your words not mine.

These were organized by kids. Not left-wing anything. Links provided.

 

[flourish]

Sheriff: 9-year-old shoots, kills older sister in video game controller dispute

http://wreg.com/2018/03/19/sheriff-...lder-sister-in-video-game-controller-dispute/


Another "responsible gun owner," I see.

 

[Blef]

Sheriff: 9-year-old shoots, kills older sister in video game controller dispute

http://wreg.com/2018/03/19/sheriff-...lder-sister-in-video-game-controller-dispute/


Another "responsible gun owner," I see.

imo they should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. The mother allows a 9 year old to be able to access guns and ammo. THIS is why gun control needs to be tightened. A loaded gun shouldn’t be accessible to a child unless they have STRICT adult supervision in the circumstances of hunting or at a range. Do these people not realize what a gun is ffs?

 

[flourish]

imo they should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. The mother allows a 9 year old to be able to access guns and ammo. THIS is why gun control needs to be tightened. A loaded gun shouldn’t be accessible to a child unless they have STRICT adult supervision in the circumstances of hunting or at a range. Do these people not realize what a gun is ffs?

But but but doesn't the 9 year old have the right to bear arms? It would be ageist to deny him!
/s