How will Jaycee heal?

Thank you for sharing your story and your insights. If you are willing to answer, I would like to ask you this: Based on your experience, how do you think Jaycee is being prepared to testify?
Carefully. This is going to be a big trial, and the prosecutors have to prepare for her for that. It's also going to be huge, either for her recovery or it'll be a huge setback, and her psychiatric team has to prepare her for that.
I wouldn't be surprised if they do a courtroom tour with her, just so that she is as comfortable as possible. Chances are that she will actually be alright to face him in court. Most people think it would be really, really hard, and it is, but it's a bit liberating, seeing that person one last time, and you're protected, he's the ones in chains...it helps. And it's not the same as testifying against someone that you barely saw, like in a blitz attack. You already know their face, the way they move, there's nothing they can do at this point to shock you, so it really isn't that bad, because the unknown element isn't there.
The preparation will be a lot of talking. She has to be comfortable with telling the story, her way, that means she has to practice it, as many times as necessary. To a mirror, to her friends, to the prosecutor, her mom, whoever. Down to the fine details, she has to be comfortable so that the Garrido's lawyers can't turn her in circles.
She may have already met with someone from the prosecutor's office, but maybe not, yet. I think there was something in one of the articles that said she had. They won't be in constant contact, but the offer will be made to Jaycee that when she decides she's ready to talk, there will be someone to listen. A good deal of the initial case building, like the evidence collection and DNA testing the girls, can be done without her.
From there, it depends on her. The legal team will go on the advice of the psychiatric team. The faster she heals, the faster they will progress. I don't see them forcing her to speak to them, but I also don't see them needing to.
It won't take her that long, IMO, to be ready to show them that she knows what they are.
 
I am in an interesting place with this case. I get to see the professional side of it, through talking with dozens of mental health professionals over the course of 11 years. I also get to see the personal side of it.
I have been kidnapped myself, twice (Albeit, the first time, I was 7 months old and only remember that I don't remember anything. I was gone for four days, a very emotionally unstable woman lost her dog and decided I would be a good trade.)
The second time was a little more traumatic...ha, a little. It was a sexually based kidnapping, I was 12, almost 13, without a very good friend that saved my life, it would have been a sexually based homicide. My mother never reported me, and I luckily did not have to live through the media firestorm that Jaycee does. Nor do I have children with my attackers, not was my captivity nearly as long as Jaycee's. So those are things that I can only assume.
I had to live through three months in the hospital, multiple surgeries, necessary and cosmetic, to minimize the physical damage(which will never be corrected fully.) I had to work with teams of counselors, each specializing in a separate area, one in attachment disorders, one in anxiety issues, one in resocialization...I could go on.
And then they diagnosed one of my attackers as a sexual sadist, and the profilers started in. I was a hot psychological commodity, a living victim of a sexual sadist, held in captivity for 8 days...they wanted to pick what was left of my brain very thoroughly. They used me to learn about my attackers and people like them, I used the profilers to learn about me and people like me.
I was going to keep my story where it always is, locked safely away, but I have to let people know that I have a frame of reference, not to mention, it's my life, I can talk about it if I want. ~sticks tongue out at various therapists that said not to talk about it~
However, the details are mine, they will be shared, well, never.
I know how slow the healing will be. I know about the sense of connection and, yes, to a point, even devotion, to one's attacker. I know that when you can't break the attachment and everyone thinks you should be over it, you feel like the most screwed up person in the world. I know about looking at your own skin, and feeling like you are branded, that every scar is a red flag to the world that there is something different about you. I know about being so close to true evil for so long that you feel as if it tainted you, how could it not?

I know the processes and some of the therapies and some of what she feels, though not on the same level. I also know that as time goes on, and Jaycee heals, she will be able to take more control of her healing. When I was out of the hospital, a little girl from my area went missing, I felt that searching for her would be helpful to me, and I was allowed to. And it was.
Now, as you can see, I am a mostly functional human being. I am in college, online, as I can't handle a real college environment yet. I have kids, and it turns out I'm pretty good at raising them. I have my own home, friends, pets, all kinds of things that were up in the air for some time.
But, there were effects, some of them moderate, some quite severe. I take several drugs to help with focus and depression and anxiety and sensory problems. I can't handle crowds, I can't handle people that stand too close to me, I have severe anxiety attacks, and nightmares that are severe enough to wake me up screaming. I am afraid of the dark and afraid of bugs, I believe in home protection in the form of guns, and I own a couple. That's the level that I have to go to to feel safe. (and the dog, and the alarms, and the constant updates from Victims Advocacy.)
Jaycee can be expected to have many of the same problems, and these are the common things that I learned from the psychiatrists. The nightmares, flashbacks and anxiety they cause are likely to be permanent, on some sort of level, although it will be less severe with time. The attachment to PG will be hard to break, very very very hard to break. I have described the attachment as well as I can, and although it has been 11 years, there are days when my very first thought upon waking is of my attackers. And under the anger, which is there, there is also some other form attachment that I still don't have a word for. It is possibly what is referred to as the human connection, a form of attachment born of knowing the intimate details and workings of another person't mind, regardless of how dark those workings and details are. And there are always the odd mix of feelings, anger and sadness and loss, and still thankfulness that the person didn't kill you, or just let you die. That mix of emotions, is indescribable. It goes against everything that we have been taught about reactions and emotion. And it will work itself out to a manageable level with time. To this day, although the men that took me would have killed me, came rather close, and subjected me to things that were pretty much unspeakable, I still have and will tell people that they could have treated me worse, becuase they brought me a blanket, they fed me a sandwich, one of them let me have a flashlight...litle acts of kindness bestowed by monsters, but kindness nonetheless, is how my mind chooses to interpret their acts (although in reality, it was more to protect their investment, can't let the main attraction die before the circus is over.)
So, when I say that she will be living her therapy, actively healing, for probably the rest of her life, I am not talking out my butt, I am talking of true experience.

That's my book, and the backstory that several people now have sent PM's to ask about. I had taken it this far, I figured it was time to stop two stepping around the issue, and share. If anyone has any questions that they figure I am equipped to answer, feel free to ask, not about me, but about my experience as it relates to Jaycee.

Thank you for sharing your past with us. Your trust in us as a group is enlightening and I hope it is empowering to you! The wisdom, care and concern you impart goes far in our understanding and acceptance of Jaycees fears, concerns and trials still to come.

In our talks I have come to admire you greatly and thank you for being such a valuable asset to this community!! ((((((((((Hugs))))))))))!!
 
Thank you not_my_kids. Your story puts all the small stuff in perspective and makes Jaycee's story that much more real to all of us. The realness is what we can learn from and there's much I need to learn in life. Bless you, dear.
 
Don't go getting all gushy on me, you guys.
that's not why I told it. It's not easy to talk about, but it helps show that there is no timetable, and likely there is no permanent cure, no way to erase it.
But, it is not the most important event in someone's life either, and it doesn't color everything, unless they let it. I didn't want to paint it as a rosy, happy time, and yes, these people caused me lasting problems, but it isn't the end of the road. It wasn't for me, and it won't be for Jaycee.
I think she is coming along quite well, probably better than I did, but it's not a type of progress that can be measured in days. She will get better, some of the more persistent things like the attachment to PG will take time, but she already may be miles ahead of where I was at the same point in time.
I don't say that my situation is exactly the same, there are vast differences, but it gives me a little bit of insight. I don't want to have it, but since I do, I may as well use it.
 
Don't go getting all gushy on me, you guys.
that's not why I told it. It's not easy to talk about, but it helps show that there is no timetable, and likely there is no permanent cure, no way to erase it.<snip>

It is much more enlightening to hear what you have to say than to hear other posters (including myself) try to imagine what Jaycee is going through. I'm also thinking about her daughters and knowing they also have their own regarding all this as each will have had a different experience.
 
Her daughters are a different story, and I don't really have a frame of reference for what they are going through. I understand Jaycee's road a little, but not her girls.
I know that they will be getting expert help and they will gain a little bit of power by learning who their mom is and who they really are, but past that, I'm in the dark. That's why I don't speak on the girls as much.
 
Carefully. This is going to be a big trial, and the prosecutors have to prepare for her for that. It's also going to be huge, either for her recovery or it'll be a huge setback, and her psychiatric team has to prepare her for that.
I wouldn't be surprised if they do a courtroom tour with her, just so that she is as comfortable as possible. Chances are that she will actually be alright to face him in court. Most people think it would be really, really hard, and it is, but it's a bit liberating, seeing that person one last time, and you're protected, he's the ones in chains...it helps. And it's not the same as testifying against someone that you barely saw, like in a blitz attack. You already know their face, the way they move, there's nothing they can do at this point to shock you, so it really isn't that bad, because the unknown element isn't there.
The preparation will be a lot of talking. She has to be comfortable with telling the story, her way, that means she has to practice it, as many times as necessary. To a mirror, to her friends, to the prosecutor, her mom, whoever. Down to the fine details, she has to be comfortable so that the Garrido's lawyers can't turn her in circles.
She may have already met with someone from the prosecutor's office, but maybe not, yet. I think there was something in one of the articles that said she had. They won't be in constant contact, but the offer will be made to Jaycee that when she decides she's ready to talk, there will be someone to listen. A good deal of the initial case building, like the evidence collection and DNA testing the girls, can be done without her.
From there, it depends on her. The legal team will go on the advice of the psychiatric team. The faster she heals, the faster they will progress. I don't see them forcing her to speak to them, but I also don't see them needing to.
It won't take her that long, IMO, to be ready to show them that she knows what they are.

Since Jaycee so obviously is the victim here, I never thought about the fact that the G's attorneys will be trying to rip her apart. I understand that it is their job to provide the best defense for their "clients". (UGH!)

But the thought of them cross examining her, etc makes me scream!

I don't understand why there has to be a trial for these animals. Jaycee has 2 children with him. How much more proff does one need! End of story!
 
Since Jaycee so obviously is the victim here, I never thought about the fact that the G's attorneys will be trying to rip her apart. I understand that it is their job to provide the best defense for their "clients". (UGH!)

But the thought of them cross examining her, etc makes me scream!

I know they have a job to do and all, but I really, really hope they're gentle with her. If Garrido really is a changed man as he claims (not that I believe him!), he would plead guilty to spare Jaycee and the girls the anguish of a trial and all that comes along with it (e.g., publicity, etc.).
 
I am in an interesting place with this case. I get to see the professional side of it, through talking with dozens of mental health professionals over the course of 11 years. I also get to see the personal side of it.
I have been kidnapped myself, twice (Albeit, the first time, I was 7 months old and only remember that I don't remember anything. I was gone for four days, a very emotionally unstable woman lost her dog and decided I would be a good trade.)
The second time was a little more traumatic...ha, a little. It was a sexually based kidnapping, I was 12, almost 13, without a very good friend that saved my life, it would have been a sexually based homicide. My mother never reported me, and I luckily did not have to live through the media firestorm that Jaycee does. Nor do I have children with my attackers, not was my captivity nearly as long as Jaycee's. So those are things that I can only assume.
I had to live through three months in the hospital, multiple surgeries, necessary and cosmetic, to minimize the physical damage(which will never be corrected fully.) I had to work with teams of counselors, each specializing in a separate area, one in attachment disorders, one in anxiety issues, one in resocialization...I could go on.
And then they diagnosed one of my attackers as a sexual sadist, and the profilers started in. I was a hot psychological commodity, a living victim of a sexual sadist, held in captivity for 8 days...they wanted to pick what was left of my brain very thoroughly. They used me to learn about my attackers and people like them, I used the profilers to learn about me and people like me.
I was going to keep my story where it always is, locked safely away, but I have to let people know that I have a frame of reference, not to mention, it's my life, I can talk about it if I want. ~sticks tongue out at various therapists that said not to talk about it~
However, the details are mine, they will be shared, well, never.
I know how slow the healing will be. I know about the sense of connection and, yes, to a point, even devotion, to one's attacker. I know that when you can't break the attachment and everyone thinks you should be over it, you feel like the most screwed up person in the world. I know about looking at your own skin, and feeling like you are branded, that every scar is a red flag to the world that there is something different about you. I know about being so close to true evil for so long that you feel as if it tainted you, how could it not?

I know the processes and some of the therapies and some of what she feels, though not on the same level. I also know that as time goes on, and Jaycee heals, she will be able to take more control of her healing. When I was out of the hospital, a little girl from my area went missing, I felt that searching for her would be helpful to me, and I was allowed to. And it was.
Now, as you can see, I am a mostly functional human being. I am in college, online, as I can't handle a real college environment yet. I have kids, and it turns out I'm pretty good at raising them. I have my own home, friends, pets, all kinds of things that were up in the air for some time.
But, there were effects, some of them moderate, some quite severe. I take several drugs to help with focus and depression and anxiety and sensory problems. I can't handle crowds, I can't handle people that stand too close to me, I have severe anxiety attacks, and nightmares that are severe enough to wake me up screaming. I am afraid of the dark and afraid of bugs, I believe in home protection in the form of guns, and I own a couple. That's the level that I have to go to to feel safe. (and the dog, and the alarms, and the constant updates from Victims Advocacy.)
Jaycee can be expected to have many of the same problems, and these are the common things that I learned from the psychiatrists. The nightmares, flashbacks and anxiety they cause are likely to be permanent, on some sort of level, although it will be less severe with time. The attachment to PG will be hard to break, very very very hard to break. I have described the attachment as well as I can, and although it has been 11 years, there are days when my very first thought upon waking is of my attackers. And under the anger, which is there, there is also some other form attachment that I still don't have a word for. It is possibly what is referred to as the human connection, a form of attachment born of knowing the intimate details and workings of another person't mind, regardless of how dark those workings and details are. And there are always the odd mix of feelings, anger and sadness and loss, and still thankfulness that the person didn't kill you, or just let you die. That mix of emotions, is indescribable. It goes against everything that we have been taught about reactions and emotion. And it will work itself out to a manageable level with time. To this day, although the men that took me would have killed me, came rather close, and subjected me to things that were pretty much unspeakable, I still have and will tell people that they could have treated me worse, becuase they brought me a blanket, they fed me a sandwich, one of them let me have a flashlight...litle acts of kindness bestowed by monsters, but kindness nonetheless, is how my mind chooses to interpret their acts (although in reality, it was more to protect their investment, can't let the main attraction die before the circus is over.)
So, when I say that she will be living her therapy, actively healing, for probably the rest of her life, I am not talking out my butt, I am talking of true experience.

That's my book, and the backstory that several people now have sent PM's to ask about. I had taken it this far, I figured it was time to stop two stepping around the issue, and share. If anyone has any questions that they figure I am equipped to answer, feel free to ask, not about me, but about my experience as it relates to Jaycee.

I just want to say that I really admire your courage. You are a very, very strong woman, and I admire you. I can't even begin to imagine what you've gone through. Hugs and blessings to you! :)
 
seriously, what would a garrido lawyer attack on jaycee consist of? the girl was an 11 year old sweetheart on her way to school when these 2 sickos kidnapped her, torutured, her, raped her, forced her to give birth with no medical help, possibly in a shed........blaming her is only gonna inflame the jury.
 
I know they have a job to do and all, but I really, really hope they're gentle with her. If Garrido really is a changed man as he claims (not that I believe him!), he would plead guilty to spare Jaycee and the girls the anguish of a trial and all that comes along with it (e.g., publicity, etc.).

im afraid he wont plead guilty.
he is still assuming jaycee is gonna get on the stand and tell them what a saint he is. :furious:
 
I know they have a job to do and all, but I really, really hope they're gentle with her. If Garrido really is a changed man as he claims (not that I believe him!), he would plead guilty to spare Jaycee and the girls the anguish of a trial and all that comes along with it (e.g., publicity, etc.).

Plead guilty? I don't think so. Seems clear to me he is expecting for her to get on the stand and tell the world this "heartwarming" story.
 
seriously, what would a garrido lawyer attack on jaycee consist of? the girl was an 11 year old sweetheart on her way to school when these 2 sickos kidnapped her, torutured, her, raped her, forced her to give birth with no medical help, possibly in a shed........blaming her is only gonna inflame the jury.

Doesn't mean they won't try it.
If they have morals, they will be gentle as treat her as they would a child witness. If they are bad lawyers, they will question her as to whether she said no every single time. They will ask her for recollections and then tear her apart if her answer isn't worded the same the fifth time they walk her through it. Questioning her as to whether she ever got aroused, and how many times he had to rape her before she stopped resisting, and what she felt every single time. How can she care about her kids if they are his and he did all these terrible things to her...
Chances are the judge will limit the defenses ability to cross examine, as an extra safeguard. I hope so anyway.
 
Doesn't mean they won't try it.
If they have morals, they will be gentle as treat her as they would a child witness. If they are bad lawyers, they will question her as to whether she said no every single time. They will ask her for recollections and then tear her apart if her answer isn't worded the same the fifth time they walk her through it. Questioning her as to whether she ever got aroused, and how many times he had to rape her before she stopped resisting, and what she felt every single time. How can she care about her kids if they are his and he did all these terrible things to her...
Chances are the judge will limit the defenses ability to cross examine, as an extra safeguard. I hope so anyway.

well i know those are tactics they can use. like i said though, if they go that way they will inflame the jury.
also how can the attorney's explain away the kidnapping?
imo its better off if they try an insaniity defense. that way they basically stipluate that everything jaycee says is true.
 
Plead guilty? I don't think so. Seems clear to me he is expecting for her to get on the stand and tell the world this "heartwarming" story.

I don't think he is expecting her to tell a "heartwarming" story, rather he is referring to his own conversion (in his mind) from a deviant animal into someone who was born again in a sense. He is talking more about "the" story rather than what he thinks her story is.

The thing is we don't really know what went on in the backyard after the second daughter was born. We can pretty much guess what would have happened initially before Angel was born, and probably the dynamics started to change between then and when Starlet was born. At the end they all apparently saw themselves as a family, obviously very different from the situation at the begining. Some sort of twisted normalization must have happened, and that is probably what he is talking about. It is really a very bizarre and unique situation.

It is more about his percieved redemption than anything else. Given his religous bent, I'm pretty sure there will be some biblical claptrap that goes along with that, but we will see when it all comes out in the trial. As an outside observer I think the psycology of all this is fascinating. This stuff went on for such a long time that I think the evolution of these people is pretty interesting.
 
Doesn't mean they won't try it.
If they have morals, they will be gentle as treat her as they would a child witness. If they are bad lawyers, they will question her as to whether she said no every single time. They will ask her for recollections and then tear her apart if her answer isn't worded the same the fifth time they walk her through it. Questioning her as to whether she ever got aroused, and how many times he had to rape her before she stopped resisting, and what she felt every single time. How can she care about her kids if they are his and he did all these terrible things to her...
Chances are the judge will limit the defenses ability to cross examine, as an extra safeguard. I hope so anyway.

All of that would be irrelevant since she was underage for all of the charges, so it wouldn't matter if she did or didn't like it, or if she resisted or not. If the judge and prosecutor are doing their jobs, those sorts of questions will be ruled out of bounds pretty quickly I would think. Questions like that are asked to attack the credibility of the witness, especially in a he said-she said situation, but in this case we know she was abducted, and we know she concieved two children by PG before she was 18, so attacking her credibilty on those grounds would be pretty pointless as the case would allready be proven.
 
I can see the insanity defense...PG would go for it, I think. Unless he wants to play the martyr to the end.
 
All of that would be irrelevant since she was underage for all of the charges, so it wouldn't matter if she did or didn't like it, or if she resisted or not. If the judge and prosecutor are doing their jobs, those sorts of questions will be ruled out of bounds pretty quickly I would think. Questions like that are asked to attack the credibility of the witness, especially in a he said-she said situation, but in this case we know she was abducted, and we know she concieved two children by PG before she was 18, so attacking her credibilty on those grounds would be pretty pointless as the case would allready be proven.


imo this is why the insanity defense is actually less disgusting. basically the only thing they can question jaycee is about whether she thinks he's nuts......cause by pleading insanity they basicallys stipulate that he commited the crimes
 
I don't know what to hope for in terms of trial.
Part of me really wants to see him pull the insanity card, just because it would be a lot easier on everyone.
But the other part of me wonders, he didn't take responsibility for his actions for 18 years...why should he be allowed to take partial responsibility now, after the fact for the purpose of trying to lessen the import of what he did.
(I know the plea is technically still not guilty, but it is an admission that the person did commit these acts.)

This is one of those where the massive amount of rights and liberties given a suspect disgust me. There is no reasonable doubt and no mitigating circumstance...just lock him up. Forget the trial and the endless appeals and the concern of violating the Garrido's rights. Just lock them in a shed until they die of old age. IMO.
 
I don't know what to hope for in terms of trial.
Part of me really wants to see him pull the insanity card, just because it would be a lot easier on everyone.
But the other part of me wonders, he didn't take responsibility for his actions for 18 years...why should he be allowed to take partial responsibility now, after the fact for the purpose of trying to lessen the import of what he did.
(I know the plea is technically still not guilty, but it is an admission that the person did commit these acts.)

This is one of those where the massive amount of rights and liberties given a suspect disgust me. There is no reasonable doubt and no mitigating circumstance...just lock him up. Forget the trial and the endless appeals and the concern of violating the Garrido's rights. Just lock them in a shed until they die of old age. IMO.

if we did that for every case thouh, what about someone who is wrongly accused or innocent?
i have seen both sides of the law and wrongful convictions are as disgusting to me as a guilty person walking.
our justice system just seems to be set up to fail, no matter what the truth is :(
 

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