How would we know if TH was no longer the 'de facto' suspect?

[eyes4crime]

Should LE let up a bit on their unidirectional focus of Terri, doesn't mean judgmental America will. Don't forget the death threats, or the renegades who thought harassing Terri's elderly parents would be in the name of justice. Remember that Terri's assigned guilt has nothing to do with facts or justice, it has to do with hate, gossip, innuendo, and gut feelings.

I don't know if Terri is guilty or innocent, or somewhere in between, but the puzzle that people have put together of her involvement is flimsy and flawed, based on a bazillion suppositions and 'ifs'. For me, it's way too much work to make it all work. moo mho

LE can move on after destroying a life, but from what I've seen with the Kevin Fox case, judgmental America won't. Even after Kevin and his estranged wife won millions from suing LE for framing him, people continue to think of ways Kevin engineered the murder and rape of his 3yo daughter, Riley. So many people can't stand to be wrong. moo mho all just my opinions and stuff like that.

 

[Dee10]

Oh. Do we know, outside of those places, where Terri was driving that was unpaved? I mean, I suppose her driveway isn't paved, but other than that? Do we know that those videos requested were to see if they spotted Terri's truck? Or was it ever stated why they wanted the videos? I mean, i know it was asked in the basket of gathering information which included some specific "did you see terri" questions, but those videos you mention......were they specifically for Terri?

There would have been a very specific reason to ask about those specific roads requesting videos for. She may not have traveled on all these roads, videos could have also helped if Kyron was spotted in another vehicle. Terri has a good deal of missing time in her alibi that apparently can't be verified. She has stated she was driving around. I am assuming she would have given the FBI & police a list of roads or routes she traveled during the numerous hours she was questioned and any videos could have helped her with her alibi and ruled her out of being a possible suspect.

 

[debs]

There would have been a very specific reason to ask about those specific roads requesting videos for. She may not have traveled on all these roads, videos could have also helped if Kyron was spotted in another vehicle. Terri has a good deal of missing time in her alibi that apparently can't be verified. She has stated she was driving around. I am assuming she would have given the FBI & police a list of roads or routes she traveled during the numerous hours she was questioned and any videos could have helped her with her alibi.

So it's just an assumption that LE asked for videos in certain locations with unpaved roads to correlate to what Terri might have told them. But it isn't known for certain that it is Terri's truck they're looking for on those videos. Okay, thanks!!!! You've been very helpful!!

 

[PortlandMama]

Sorry, I was referring to driving around Baby K and some of the roads LE wanted the footage from to my understanding some are unpaved, thinking of NW Logie for one. Maybe a local could clarify how many roads on that list are unpaved?

Logie is paved. I'll check the rest of the list, but IIRC all of them are paved roads.

 

[jadejazzkayla]

bunch not houze called terri de facto. just wanted to get this info into this thread in case there is confution.

In addition, her divorce attorney Peter Bunch acknowledged in court papers filed for Horman this week that she is a 'de facto suspect" at the center of a police investigation.

http://theworldlink.com/news/local/a...e7f9abe66.html

 

[tlcya]

LE would state emphatically that she had been cleared to protect themselves from a lawsuit.
I mean, at the minimum I would think that TH would have a pretty good case to go after LE if she is obviously not involved and she has made sure that she has cooperated and cleared herself of scenarios that would have included her taking Kyron. JMVHO.

respectfully, I disagree with you on this one believe. NEver in my recollection has LE ever come out and said emphatically that someone who was once a person of interest (de facto suspect) was cleared, not guilty, blameless in an unsolved case.

I am afraid, that unless Kyron is found, dead or alive, and unless a better suspect/perp comes to light, Terri will live with the stain of this suspicion for the rest of her life.

As always, just my own, yours can differ.

 

[liz b.]

But I don't think LE is under any obligation to state publicly that they have cleared anyone. Although, there was the statement at the last presser from Sheriff Staton : " things we focused on early on in this investigation, we are no longer focusing on now.... " ( not verbatim,but very close ). Just a thought...

All JMO

 

[32beatspersecond]

how ironic that 1 week after the last press by LE the posters are coming down and the school roster is being revised...

 

[Calliope]

respectfully, I disagree with you on this one believe. NEver in my recollection has LE ever come out and said emphatically that someone who was once a person of interest (de facto suspect) was cleared, not guilty, blameless in an unsolved case.

I am afraid, that unless Kyron is found, dead or alive, and unless a better suspect/perp comes to light, Terri will live with the stain of this suspicion for the rest of her life.

As always, just my own, yours can differ.

Ramseys?

I agree with you, though. Even if they find someone else committed this crime, there are people who will never believe Terri had nothing to do with Kyron's disappearance.

 

[PortlandMama]

Sorry, I was referring to driving around Baby K and some of the roads LE wanted the footage from to my understanding some are unpaved, thinking of NW Logie for one. Maybe a local could clarify how many roads on that list are unpaved?

I went back and checked the list issued by MCSO when they requested video footage, and they are all paved, including Logie. The only one I am not 100% certain about is NW Rocky Point Road, which appears to be the access road for the marina and houseboats along the channel facing (not on) Sauvie Island. But I'm pretty sure it's paved too. Can another local verify?

Also, can someone please provide a link to a list of roads TH stated she drove when trying to soothe Baby K? I don't recall seeing specifics, but I was out of commission for a bit. Thanks!

 

[Charlie09]

Should LE let up a bit on their unidirectional focus of Terri, doesn't mean judgmental America will. Don't forget the death threats, or the renegades who thought harassing Terri's elderly parents would be in the name of justice. Remember that Terri's assigned guilt has nothing to do with facts or justice, it has to do with hate, gossip, innuendo, and gut feelings.

I don't know if Terri is guilty or innocent, or somewhere in between, but the puzzle that people have put together of her involvement is flimsy and flawed, based on a bazillion suppositions and 'ifs'. For me, it's way too much work to make it all work. moo mho

LE can move on after destroying a life, but from what I've seen with the Kevin Fox case, judgmental America won't. Even after Kevin and his estranged wife won millions from suing LE for framing him, people continue to think of ways Kevin engineered the murder and rape of his 3yo daughter, Riley. So many people can't stand to be wrong. moo mho all just my opinions and stuff like that.

Isn't the very definition of judgmental to come to a conclusion? I don't know why that is being presented poorly in this post, or as a put down to those who have looked at what's been presented and come up with a conclusion. If it's shown to be incorrect later - then we re-evaluate at that point. I don't think there's anything wrong with thinking she is, or should be the suspect.

 

[debs]

Isn't the very definition of judgmental to come to a conclusion? I don't know why that is being presented poorly in this post, or as a put down to those who have looked at what's been presented and come up with a conclusion. If it's shown to be incorrect later - then we re-evaluate at that point. I don't think there's anything wrong with thinking she is, or should be the suspect.

Absolutely correct. And because, in judgment, there are two sides, I don't think there's anything wrong with thinking she is innocent.

And then it is not wrong to look at other people and wonder.

 

[gwenabob]

how ironic that 1 week after the last press by LE the posters are coming down and the school roster is being revised...

How is this ironic? I'm not quite sure what you are getting at. Thanks.

 

[cluciano63]

In the Lindsey Buziak murder case, I believe that LE has come out and stated that one of the men is not a suspect...and yet many do not believe them anyway.

But since LE has never said Terri is a suspect, they will not have to say she isn't. They cannot be sued for people thinking she is a suspect. They have been very careful with their words, even if their actions point to "suspect."

I don't think Terri will ever be "cleared" unless someone else is convicted based on indisputable evidence. Even then, some will think she was involved.

Worse for everyone is if no one is ever charged, due to lack of enough evidence of what the crime is, or who committed it.

 

[Billylee]

Yep, since LE has never even said TH or DDs are suspects, I'm sure we're never going to hear them say either one has been "cleared". (Unless either one is arrested, and then cleared.)

You will probably just see them change focus and possibly a lawsuit of some type by DDS and/or TH, if and when that ever happens.

As a matter of fact, I haven't heard them say anyone is "cleared", not teachers, not janitors, not other family members, no one, not even local RSO's. They don't have to do that and they won't.

 

[eyes4crime]

Isn't the very definition of judgmental to come to a conclusion? I don't know why that is being presented poorly in this post, or as a put down to those who have looked at what's been presented and come up with a conclusion. If it's shown to be incorrect later - then we re-evaluate at that point. I don't think there's anything wrong with thinking she is, or should be the suspect.

I refer to America collectively when appropriate..such as judgmental, forgiving, loving, generous, hateful. I do this when on a blog or in everyday life, I refer to America collectively unless there is a certain subsection I wish to discuss, such as in research. I think crime affects people throughout America. moo

America makes a judgment that a person is guilty or innocent or everything in between, and the wave gains in strength, gets bigger and bigger, until it reaches tidal wave status. I've seen it in many cases, one of which is the Kevin Fox case. The collective judgment of Americans is that Kevin was guilty when, in fact, he was innocent. moo mho

In Kyron's case, there is no forensic evidence, no body, no crime scene, no motive, a very short time-line of opportunity, and a one-way, focused, unidirectional investigation by LE of one person only. Oh, and a character assassination of Terri on national TV. Collective thinking can end in mistakes. It can also end in truth. Whatever the thinking is regarding Terri, it is not based on facts. Not right now. In my opinion only, this case has no facts! That's my judgment. moo mho and all that stuff.

 

[pdx]

I do know that when asked specifically about information the news had received regarding the MFH, all Lt Linstrand would say is "That information did not come from us."

In context, I understood that to mean that LE did not publicly release that information (it came out because the Oregonian reported it).

Oh, I didn't realize that the roads from Skyline to the FM's, to the gym, and back home again were unpaved. I thought things were rough here in Montana!!!

Paved?! Paved roads! What is all this.. next thing you know you'll all be talking foolishness like indoor outhouses!
:laugh:

 

[Chili Fries]

Unless something drastically changes with the investigation I think the signs point to her being charged eventually. At the last press conference DA Schrunk said he expects to try the case and has said in the past that they try cases without a body.

The last PC made it pretty obvious to me that Terri is still the focus of the investigation. Hopefully if the focus shifts to someone else there would be an arrest, the public would be asked for info that belies the shift, there would be a press conference announcing or implying the shift or media leaks would let us know what is going on. I'm pretty confident that we'd find out if the investigation does start focusing on somebody else, and complete off Terri.

 

[debs]

Unless something drastically changes with the investigation I think the signs point to her being charged eventually. At the last press conference DA Schrunk said he expects to try the case and has said in the past that they try cases without a body.

The last PC made it pretty obvious to me that Terri is still the focus of the investigation. Hopefully if the focus shifts to someone else there would be an arrest, the public would be asked for info that belies the shift, there would be a press conference announcing or implying the shift or media leaks would let us know what is going on. I'm pretty confident that we'd find out if the investigation does start focusing on somebody else, and complete off Terri.

What if it benefits the overall case to keep the shift from the public? What if the evidence which justifies this shift is not known in the public purview in the first place, found elsewhere that LE does not have to focus on the public's information for confirmation?

What if, for instance, the evidence they have not only points away from the de facto suspect but then turns in a surprising direction?

 

[Chili Fries]

What if it benefits the overall case to keep the shift from the public? What if the evidence which justifies this shift is not known in the public purview in the first place, found elsewhere that LE does not have to focus on the public's information for confirmation?

What if, for instance, the evidence they have not only points away from the de facto suspect but then turns in a surprising direction?

That's a good point, it's why I said I'm pretty confident, not very confident. My guess is that it would depend on the time between the shift and an arrest. If the shift away from Terri occurred and there was no arrest I think it would eventually leak or be evident.