IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #30

[Bootsctr]

as far as Heather's comments on the timeline of events from the 2 part interview linked upthread, absolutely no disrespect to Heather, but that interview was much later. I tend to go with the earliest interviews and news releases as I feel they have the best odds of being the most accurate in this regard.

Wylma was there helping Heather for a reason. Heather's health was poor and she needed assistance with wrangling the kids and the household apparently. So while I do not think she would be inaccurate on purpose, I tend to believe Heather was ill, tired and not the one watching the girls or aware of the times involved first hand. I believe Wylma saw the girls last around 12:15.

The existence of the surveillence video hit the news around July 25th. http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-io...-collins-lyric/story?id=16850676#.UXLMZ7WG3dk video at link

How could all the articles from the first two days (some of which were not updated as late as the 25th) have a "revised" time of 12:15? When the articles were written containing the 12:15 time, the video surveillance was not public knowledge yet, it would not be til at least a week later. Even the updates to the original articles were made prior to the public release of the video. So Wylma changing her timeline to match up with the video timeline seem very unlikely to me.

I guess it could be argued that she knew about the video before the public, but the article above also states the person who supplied the video did not go back to look at it immediately, it was only after the girls had been missing for a bit that he thought to do so.

Thank you tlcya! Been missing you too! Excellent suggestion about revisiting Thread 1. I cannot remember if I ever read thread 1, so I definitely need to read it both to inform myself and refresh my memory.

Absolutely no disrepect to Heather, with heart problems, she is likely very weak and low on energy most of the time. She needs her mother, just like we all do. In looking back at the pictures of Heather in Cranky's photo album, the photos show an absolutely grief-stricken mother at some points who knew her daughter was dead long before the bodies were found. I hope and pray every day that the person who killed the girls are caught and punished. :seeya:

 

[Bootsctr]

I am flabbergasted that this interview is being discounted.

Wylma clearly says she last saw the girls at 11.30.

For those who think this means she saw them at 12.15 :waitasec: - why did she go looking for them only 15 minutes later? :dunno:

SS, I am not completely discounting this interview. In fact, I much appreciate that you and 3CK have posted transcripts from the interviews.
However, that being said, considering it is NG (God bless her heart - she stood up for Caylee Anthony) and JVM, I am certainly not going to hold this family's feet to the fire if the information they gave during these interviews don't always match up. I have complete confidence that LE and the FBI got the families' stories "straight".

My inclination would be that if Wylma went looking for the girls at 12:30, she knew they had a tendancy to wander further than they should and she wanted to leave at 1:30. Her intent was to "round the girls up" and get them back closer to home so that her plans to leave at 1:30 were not delayed. :moo:

Please know that I respect your opinions and your theories SS, my friend! :seeya:

 

[SapphireSteel]

SS, I am not completely discounting this interview. In fact, I much appreciate that you and 3CK have posted transcripts from the interviews.
However, that being said, considering it is NG (God bless her heart - she stood up for Caylee Anthony) and JVM, I am certainly not going to hold this family's feet to the fire if the information they gave during these interviews don't always match up. I have complete confidence that LE and the FBI got the families' stories "straight".

My inclination would be that if Wylma went looking for the girls at 12:30, she knew they had a tendancy to wander further than they should and she wanted to leave at 1:30. Her intent was to "round the girls up" and get them back closer to home so that her plans to leave at 1:30 were not delayed. :moo:

Please know that I respect your opinions and your theories SS, my friend! :seeya:

And I, yours. :tyou:

There is a lot that still cannot be said due to :tos: but there are just so many blanks, changes, and unexplained events within this case that I am finding myself getting frustrated.

It's also frustrating to think that most of the last 30 threads is totally irrelevant -we may be sleuthing a mystery perp who has never actually existed. Some times the most obvious explanations are the right ones.

The cctv shows the girls biking (apparently quickly) away from the house at 12.15.

It appears to me that they may have got home at 12.15 as expected, yet for some unknown reason went back out again.

Wylma says she jumped in her car and went searching at 12.30.

If the girls had a habit of wandering, why did she search by car after only 15 minutes? Fifteen minutes late for a pair of tweenage girls is nothing, if they made a habit of roaming. No one would ever think they had come to harm in a small town like Evansdale....so why did Wylma panic? They didn't have to leave the house until 1.30 so why did Wylma need them home an hour before this time?

Did they even know they had to be home by 12.30 in the first place?

Too many unanswered questions re. timelines and details. Too many discrepancies, too many blurry bits, too much missing info on the whereabouts of family/friends at the time of the crime, for me to even start with the stranger scenario.

:cow:

 

[tlcya]

:wave: SS

I am not discounting completely the NG July 27th aired interview with Wylma and Aunt Tammy. I am simply less swayed by it than the stacks and stacks of the earliest articles regarding the 12:15 time. I tend to give anything I see on NG JVM and HLN newssational coverage what I deem appropriate weight. Those programs feature lots of editing, too much for my taste. Soundbite, BOMBSHELL, edit in some quote from family member, edit in some soundbites from other news source coverage, edit in a comment from a family members, and so forth. Very choppy in its style IMO. In reading the transcription of that interview on NG I see the following:

GRACE: Wylma, when you saw them right [ride] away that day what was your last image of them?

(NOTE IMO and probably Wylma's - Grace is asking about when Wylma saw them ride off after being given permission hence Wylma's response)

<snip> And so it was at 11:30, they asked me if they could go for a short bike ride, and I said yes.

<snip>

We are taking your calls. Out to Ms. Wylma Cook. Ms. Cook is the grandmother of 8-year-old Elizabeth and 10-year-old Lyric. Ms. Cook, you were taking me through that morning. So they asked to go and ride their bikes, and that`s about what time?

COOK: 11:30.

GRACE: 11:30.

I just feel more comfortable giving more weight to the less newstainment style news sources. That is just me. Not discounting it, I just cannot assume that there was a change in the last time seen by Wylma based on the one interview, which is open to interpretation IMO, when the very first reports which are numerous state that 12:15 is when she last saw them.

 

[Marilynilpa]

I am not as confused by the initial timeline as I am by the fact that Wylma became concerned about the girls at 12:30. JMO.

 

[tlcya]

SS, I wanted to respond to your last post on page 73 of this thread but am too lazy to go back a page to quote it, lol.

At the end of your post you mentioned too many people (family members, etc) whose whereabouts are not known for this to be easily considered as stranger abduction.

That comment brought to mind something I noticed in one of those very early articles about the case. In it Heather is quoted as saying that she feels that neither of the girls would have willingly left their bikes and gone with a stranger without "kicking and screaming."

Shoot now I'm gonna have to go back to the last page and scour the links I gave to find that quote. Something about it struck me as Heather saying she felt the abductor(s) was known to the girls or one of them.

dang it, sigh. lol

ETA here it is. This really struck me when I read it earlier, maybe because I did not recall it when it was initially reported so it felt "new" to me when I read it earlier today.

Three days of searching wooded areas, bodies of water, farm fields and homes have yielded few results. Family members are even more convinced than ever the girls were taken.

&#8220;I thought that from the beginning someone took them,&#8221; Heather said. &#8220;I don&#8217;t know how ... unless it was someone they know, or they would have been kicking and screaming.&#8221;

http://wcfcourier.com/news/evansdal...cle_20c2e864-d215-11e1-a320-0019bb2963f4.html

 

[threecrazykids]

I am not as confused by the initial timeline as I am by the fact that Wylma became concerned about the girls at 12:30. JMO.

Exactly...that's another reason I believe she didn't see them after 11:30.

I'd put my next paycheck that if it wasn't for the CCTV, their last time seen would be 11:30.

Keep in mind, Heather was home at noon, and just following her getting home Kelly was sent out to find them (on his bike).

When he came back (approx 20 mins later according to Heather), that's when Wylma took Kelly in the car with her and headed out. They return at 1, still no kids, and that's when Heather goes out, Drew calls Grandma BACK to the house, and the manhunt begins.

It simply doesn't make sense to me that they would send Kelly out on his bike at noon to find them and then turn around and believe that Wylma last saw them at 12:15. If Kelly went out on his bike, and even if he didn't find them, and they were still seen in the area at 12:15 by Grandma, she wouldn't have been in a panic if they weren't there 15 mins later...not enough to get in the car anyway.

I'm just in a crappy mood today...sorry for this oncoming rant. For the record, this is the stuff that p***** me off incredibly. There should NOT be this much confusion/conflicting information on the basics this far down the road.
Why hasn't this been cleared up, by LE or otherwise and why the hell doesn't this family's story match? It simply amazes me that with the number of people on this thread who have been on this from the beginning that we are still having to go over this...over and over trying to figure out what links, statements by LE, statements by the family, etc. are the dang truth. :banghead:

 

[tlcya]

Exactly...that's another reason I believe she didn't see them after 11:30.

I'd put my next paycheck that if it wasn't for the CCTV, their last time seen would be 11:30.

Keep in mind, Heather was home at noon, and just following her getting home Kelly was sent out to find them (on his bike).

When he came back (approx 20 mins later according to Heather), that's when Wylma took Kelly in the car with her and headed out. They return at 1, still no kids, and that's when Heather goes out, Drew calls Grandma BACK to the house, and the manhunt begins.

It simply doesn't make sense to me that they would send Kelly out on his bike at noon to find them and then turn around and believe that Wylma last saw them at 12:15. If Kelly went out on his bike, and even if he didn't find them, and they were still seen in the area at 12:15 by Grandma, she wouldn't have been in a panic if they weren't there 15 mins later...not enough to get in the car anyway.

I'm just in a crappy mood today...sorry for this oncoming rant. For the record, this is the stuff that p***** me off incredibly. There should NOT be this much confusion/conflicting information on the basics this far down the road.
Why hasn't this been cleared up, by LE or otherwise and why the hell doesn't this family's story match? It simply amazes me that with the number of people on this thread who have been on this from the beginning that we are still having to go over this...over and over trying to figure out what links, statements by LE, statements by the family, etc. are the dang truth. :banghead:

oh what the heck, I'll play. To further complicate the timeline lets throw this into the mix as well: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/19/ng.01.html Aired July 19th

TAMMY BROUSSEAU, AUNT OF MISSING GIRLS: <snip> When Mom -- I had met Mom at her house because we had had some plans. She had originally left. When Misty showed up to pick up Lyric, and Mom said, you know, The girls have been off and it`s been a little bit too long, but you know, you guys need to go find your kids, Tammy and I have some other things that we`re doing, and Tammy`s at the house.

So Mom came and got me. We got a phone call back from Drew (ph), Elizabeth`s father, saying, You guys need to get back here and help. So me and Mom jumped in the car, and right away we came back. Kelly -- we picked up Kelly, the 12-year-old son, and we started going to all these places that they`d already checked.

then there is this business:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/17/ng.01.html aired July 17th

GRACE:
Misty, that day when she goes missing, let`s take it from the top. What happened, starting in the morning?

COOK-MORRISSEY: I left for work at 8:30 AM. She gave me a hug and a kiss and told me she would text me and let me know when I got off of work where she would be, either at Heather`s in Evansdale or back at our mother`s home in Waterloo.

I left for work. At 2:00 o`clock, my mother, their grandmother, called and said she couldn`t find them. They`d been on a bike ride, and you know, to come directly to Heather`s home. I only work just up the street. I came directly there.

My mom had been driving around looking for them. We stood in the yard and talked for a few minutes. Heather pulled up, had not been able to find them. It was about 2:20, 2:30 PM. And so Heather said, I`m going to the police station. And that`s when she went to the Evansdale PD to involve them.

<snip> and later in the same transcript from WYLMA: Elizabeth`s brother, he`s 12 -- I hopped in my car because the dad {Drew} came home, and I went searching Elk Run. We were down by Meyers Lake. We drove all over every little park and Evansdale, Elk Run, every mentionable place, downtown area. And we couldn`t find nobody.

So did Wylma specifically call Misty to leave work because the girls were MIA and she (Wylma) was already out searching? As suggested in the interview on the 17th with Misty? or did Misty arrive at the normally appointed time after work, to be told by Wylma, Tammy and I have plans, you need to go figure out where your kid is, she is MIA? As seems to be suggested in the interview July 19th with Aunt Tammy (bless her heart)?

I knew I never should have reopened this whole can of worms. Feeling like I might be falling down the rabbit hole here.

 

[threecrazykids]

oh what the heck, I'll play. To further complicate the timeline lets throw this into the mix as well: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/19/ng.01.html Aired July 19th

TAMMY BROUSSEAU, AUNT OF MISSING GIRLS: <snip> When Mom -- I had met Mom at her house because we had had some plans. She had originally left. When Misty showed up to pick up Lyric, and Mom said, you know, The girls have been off and it`s been a little bit too long, but you know, you guys need to go find your kids, Tammy and I have some other things that we`re doing, and Tammy`s at the house.

So Mom came and got me. We got a phone call back from Drew (ph), Elizabeth`s father, saying, You guys need to get back here and help. So me and Mom jumped in the car, and right away we came back. Kelly -- we picked up Kelly, the 12-year-old son, and we started going to all these places that they`d already checked.

then there is this business:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/17/ng.01.html aired July 17th

GRACE:
Misty, that day when she goes missing, let`s take it from the top. What happened, starting in the morning?

COOK-MORRISSEY: I left for work at 8:30 AM. She gave me a hug and a kiss and told me she would text me and let me know when I got off of work where she would be, either at Heather`s in Evansdale or back at our mother`s home in Waterloo.

I left for work. At 2:00 o`clock, my mother, their grandmother, called and said she couldn`t find them. They`d been on a bike ride, and you know, to come directly to Heather`s home. I only work just up the street. I came directly there.

My mom had been driving around looking for them. We stood in the yard and talked for a few minutes. Heather pulled up, had not been able to find them. It was about 2:20, 2:30 PM. And so Heather said, I`m going to the police station. And that`s when she went to the Evansdale PD to involve them.

<snip> and later in the same transcript from WYLMA: Elizabeth`s brother, he`s 12 -- I hopped in my car because the dad {Drew} came home, and I went searching Elk Run. We were down by Meyers Lake. We drove all over every little park and Evansdale, Elk Run, every mentionable place, downtown area. And we couldn`t find nobody.

So did Wylma specifically call Misty to leave work because the girls were MIA and she (Wylma) was already out searching? As suggested in the interview on the 17th with Misty? or did Misty arrive at the normally appointed time after work, to be told by Wylma, Tammy and I have plans, you need to go figure out where your kid is, she is MIA? As seems to be suggested in the interview July 19th with Aunt Tammy (bless her heart)?

I knew I never should have reopened this whole can of worms. Feeling like I might be falling down the rabbit hole here.

LOL!:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

I think maybe our first challenge in the series should be to take everyone's timeline, write them out, and match them up based on their multiple interviews.

I bet none of us would move past level 1.

:blushing:

 

[SapphireSteel]

Exactly...that's another reason I believe she didn't see them after 11:30.

I'd put my next paycheck that if it wasn't for the CCTV, their last time seen would be 11:30.

Keep in mind, Heather was home at noon, and just following her getting home Kelly was sent out to find them (on his bike).

When he came back (approx 20 mins later according to Heather), that's when Wylma took Kelly in the car with her and headed out. They return at 1, still no kids, and that's when Heather goes out, Drew calls Grandma BACK to the house, and the manhunt begins.

It simply doesn't make sense to me that they would send Kelly out on his bike at noon to find them and then turn around and believe that Wylma last saw them at 12:15. If Kelly went out on his bike, and even if he didn't find them, and they were still seen in the area at 12:15 by Grandma, she wouldn't have been in a panic if they weren't there 15 mins later...not enough to get in the car anyway.

I'm just in a crappy mood today...sorry for this oncoming rant. For the record, this is the stuff that p***** me off incredibly. There should NOT be this much confusion/conflicting information on the basics this far down the road.
Why hasn't this been cleared up, by LE or otherwise and why the hell doesn't this family's story match? It simply amazes me that with the number of people on this thread who have been on this from the beginning that we are still having to go over this...over and over trying to figure out what links, statements by LE, statements by the family, etc. are the dang truth. :banghead:

Yep, all of the above and more.

:shutup:

I thought only Wylma and Heather's kids were home until 12.30, then Drew got home and Wylma and Kelly got in the car to search?

:dunno:

 

[SapphireSteel]

SS, I wanted to respond to your last post on page 73 of this thread but am too lazy to go back a page to quote it, lol.

At the end of your post you mentioned too many people (family members, etc) whose whereabouts are not known for this to be easily considered as stranger abduction.

That comment brought to mind something I noticed in one of those very early articles about the case. In it Heather is quoted as saying that she feels that neither of the girls would have willingly left their bikes and gone with a stranger without "kicking and screaming."

Shoot now I'm gonna have to go back to the last page and scour the links I gave to find that quote. Something about it struck me as Heather saying she felt the abductor(s) was known to the girls or one of them.

dang it, sigh. lol

ETA here it is. This really struck me when I read it earlier, maybe because I did not recall it when it was initially reported so it felt "new" to me when I read it earlier today.

Three days of searching wooded areas, bodies of water, farm fields and homes have yielded few results. Family members are even more convinced than ever the girls were taken.

“I thought that from the beginning someone took them,” Heather said. “I don’t know how ... unless it was someone they know, or they would have been kicking and screaming.”

http://wcfcourier.com/news/evansdal...cle_20c2e864-d215-11e1-a320-0019bb2963f4.html

And we know there were no signs of a struggle.

2+2=4.

Heather also said -

Just what I`ve always said is, you know what? I do not pass judgment on anybody. that is for God to do. I forgive you. God has forgiven you, so I will forgive you. We just want our children brought back.

I don`t want to know who you are. I don`t care who you are. I just want them dropped off at the police station or at my house and just be seen running to my house. That`s all I want. I don`t -- I don`t care who you are. I don`t want to know who you are. It`s not -- it`s not for me to -- to judge you or for whatever reason you have decided to do this.

She really, really doesn't seem to care who the perp is or why he took her daughter. Odd. :cow:

 

[NWLady]

Are the timelines conflicting or not??

At beginning of this video Capt. Abben states "the mother comes home at about two o'clock"
http://wcfcourier.com/video-the-sear...9bb2963f4.html

Heather says in this video with Tania "I got home around noon" and also says
"hopped in the car at 1:20"
Tania Drew & Heather Collins 1 of 2 - YouTube

Wylma states in this video "at 12:30 Heather came"
http://www.press-citizen.com/VideoNe...-grandma-talks

Tammy states in this interview/transcript
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../19/ng.01.html

I had met Mom at her house because we had had some plans. She had originally left. When Misty showed up to pick up Lyric, and Mom said, you know, The girls have been off and it`s been a little bit too long, but you know, you guys need to go find your kids, Tammy and I have some other things that we`re doing, and Tammy`s at the house.
I said immediately to my mom, I said, Take me to Meyers Lake, take me to Meyers Lake. This is approximately a quarter to 2:00 when I asked -- or a quarter to 3:00 when I asked Mom to take me to Meyers Lake.


(I also myself find it somewhat coincidental that Heather goes to police station to report them missing at 2:47; and however, Tammy is wanting to go to Meyers Lake at "a quarter to 2:00 or a quarter to 3:00")

So, are their timelines conflicting/confusing or aren't they?? I'd say these links above show that they most definitely are....:rocker:

 

[Marilynilpa]

oh what the heck, I'll play. To further complicate the timeline lets throw this into the mix as well: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/19/ng.01.html Aired July 19th

TAMMY BROUSSEAU, AUNT OF MISSING GIRLS: <snip> When Mom -- I had met Mom at her house because we had had some plans. She had originally left. When Misty showed up to pick up Lyric, and Mom said, you know, The girls have been off and it`s been a little bit too long, but you know, you guys need to go find your kids, Tammy and I have some other things that we`re doing, and Tammy`s at the house.

So Mom came and got me. We got a phone call back from Drew (ph), Elizabeth`s father, saying, You guys need to get back here and help. So me and Mom jumped in the car, and right away we came back. Kelly -- we picked up Kelly, the 12-year-old son, and we started going to all these places that they`d already checked.

then there is this business:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/17/ng.01.html aired July 17th

GRACE:
Misty, that day when she goes missing, let`s take it from the top. What happened, starting in the morning?

COOK-MORRISSEY: I left for work at 8:30 AM. She gave me a hug and a kiss and told me she would text me and let me know when I got off of work where she would be, either at Heather`s in Evansdale or back at our mother`s home in Waterloo.

I left for work. At 2:00 o`clock, my mother, their grandmother, called and said she couldn`t find them. They`d been on a bike ride, and you know, to come directly to Heather`s home. I only work just up the street. I came directly there.

My mom had been driving around looking for them. We stood in the yard and talked for a few minutes. Heather pulled up, had not been able to find them. It was about 2:20, 2:30 PM. And so Heather said, I`m going to the police station. And that`s when she went to the Evansdale PD to involve them.

So did Wylma specifically call Misty to leave work because the girls were MIA and she (Wylma) was already out searching? As suggested in the interview on the 17th with Misty? or did Misty arrive at the normally appointed time after work, to be told by Wylma, Tammy and I have plans, you need to go figure out where your kid is, she is MIA? As seems to be suggested in the interview July 19th with Aunt Tammy (bless her heart)?

I knew I never should have reopened this whole can of worms. Feeling like I might be falling down the rabbit hole here.

Well, Alice, I'll be right after you falling down the rabbit hole, because the unfathomable timeline has bothered me practically from day one. It's almost like everyone is reciting a different timeline, IMO.

When did Heather get home, when did Wylma get worried about the girls, how far did Kelly ride looking for the girls, when did Wylma and Kelly drive around looking for the girls, when did Wylma and Tammy leave, when did Drew get home - at this point, the only one who wasn't on the scene was Dan.

 

[foxbluff]

Hmmm...I wonder why we haven't heard the names of the "others" that were arrested in this conspiracy. You'd think with all the hype about DM, the WCF Courier would have been ALL OVER this.:waitasec:

bbm - it does get "fuzzy" doesn't it?

I don't know how this relates, but after the new info from pre-trial conf of 4/19, I went to my "case calendar" to record the trial date which was given in that new link as being on 4/29.

As it turns out, I had previously made a notation on my calendar that both DM and JS were scheduled for trial on April 29th. :facepalm:

 

[otto]

Since police have reported that the children were seen near Meyers Lake at two different locatiions between 12:30 and 1:00, how is it important when the children were last seen by the family?

Is it so that we can better appreciate the last moment that the family saw their children before they were abducted and murdered?

 

[foxbluff]

If my personal "case calendar" can be trusted, then the Angels' concert is today.

Hope to come back here tomorrow and see a link reporting on same!

 

[Marilynilpa]

Since police have reported that the children were seen near Meyers Lake at two different locatiions between 12:30 and 1:00, how is it important when the children were last seen by the family?

Is it so that we can better appreciate the last moment that the family saw their children before they were abducted and murdered?

I find it important because if we know who was out searching and when they were out searching, and where they searched, it might narrow down the possibilities of where the girls might have come into contact with their abductor - assuming the abduction was random/not pre-planned. If LE suggests they are seen in certain areas at certain times, and the family knows they weren't at certain places at certain times, that information can be used to better determine what route the girls took. JMO.

And for some of us, there are other reasons we would find that information to be of particular interest.

So, I believe this information would be of benefit to us regardless of our particular abduction theory. JMO.

 

[24Roses]

If my personal "case calendar" can be trusted, then the Angels' concert is today.

Hope to come back here tomorrow and see a link reporting on same!

Yes and I forgot to watch the news at 6:00 to see if there was a story on it. There might be something at 10:00.

 

[tlcya]

Since police have reported that the children were seen near Meyers Lake at two different locatiions between 12:30 and 1:00, how is it important when the children were last seen by the family?

Is it so that we can better appreciate the last moment that the family saw their children before they were abducted and murdered?

What an offensive question. MOO

without knowing who took them, why, was it planned, did they encounter our girls that day, if so where and when . . .

I think every minute of that afternoon is important. I am not bashing the family or insinuating anyone is lying. I am simply saying there are inconsistencies. Some members find some things inconsistent, others find other things inconsistent.

Part of the inconsistencies, I feel, are unavoidable for the following reasons:

You have a very high stress developing situation and everyone wants to get the word out as quickly as possible. Each of the family members had a different day, different part to play in the drama that played out upon discovering the girls missing, each family member has a different and personal POV of the sequence and timing of events that afternoon. I think that has for the most part contributed to the confusion.

Should we all just lock up the thread and call it a day and go home, instead?

Maybe we should spend a few more days (weeks) revisiting the memorial park topic and debating whether it should be constructed and how and where and by whom?

I, personally have no interest in discussing that topic as I feel its not really my business, not my town, etc.

And yet I sat back and lurked, letting other members who were interested in that topic do their thing.

I am simply happy to have something to discuss. I don't want this thread reduced to dwelling in the cellar and only necroed when someone remembers to come in and

:bump:

 

[SapphireSteel]

Since police have reported that the children were seen near Meyers Lake at two different locatiions between 12:30 and 1:00, how is it important when the children were last seen by the family?

Is it so that we can better appreciate the last moment that the family saw their children before they were abducted and murdered?

This is a sleuthing forum.

Any investigator of any calibre whatsoever starts with who did what, when, and with whom, on the day of the crime.

It is Investigation 101...what the witnesses/suspects/known acquaintances were doing, and when -of course these details are important on a sleuthing forum!!!!!

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