ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 51

[drmrgrl]

It was reported the 1st stop was not being released because it was evidence. Whether we believe it was useful or not, the FBI may have reasons we know nothing about.

Also, BK clearly has an injury on his right wrist in the 2nd stop. It looks pretty gnarly to me.

I could be wrong. You could be right. But take another look at his wrist.

JMO

IMO, it looks like stitches.

IDAHO Published January 4, 2023 3:36pm EST
Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger wanted to be Army Ranger, yearbook reveals

Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger wanted to be Army Ranger, yearbook reveals​

Bryan Christopher Kohberger wanted to be in an elite infantry force in the U.S. Army as a sophomore before pivoting to a career in academia, his high school yearbook reveals.

www.foxnews.com

EXCLUSIVE – STROUDSBURG, Pa. – Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger aspired to be an Army Ranger and is featured in his high school yearbook exercising in uniform, Fox News Digital has learned.

In the 2011 Pleasant Valley High School yearbook, the accused killer is pictured in a law enforcement class with other students mid-push-up....

iMO, those are very commendable goals.

 

[Boxer]

Maybe they should improve all the meals provided to all the inmates across the country.

People complain about so much, it’s hard to know if it isn’t already pretty decent. Heavy on PBJ
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[IzzyBlanche]

Nobody is going out of their way to accommodate his special diet in a jailhouse. JMO. A vegan meal is likely more sides than the usual meat and sides. You dig?

I dig.
I dig so much.

 

[drmrgrl]

100%

IMO, this will be interesting trial with a female judge and female defense attorney. I wonder what their thoughts or impressions of BK are going to be?

 

[Boxer]

Sure they are trained to put themselves in harm's way. But it shouldn't be needlessly so.

One of the most dangerous things a traffic cop can do is randomly stop a car that ends up being driven by a fleeing murderer, who can over react in that situation. If a cop knows the driver could be a fleeing felon they will take precautions and do a Felony Stop. They wait for back up, have weapons drawn and make the driver exit the vehicle, hands over head, walking g backwards.

If this rumour is true, the FBI asked these traffic cops to walk up alone to a car, being driven by a mass murderer, who may be very scared or upset about being stopped. That is an unnecessary danger, because the cops were going to arrest him when he got to PA. Who cares if they check his hands a day or 2 later?

It really bothers me.

MOO So unlikely the FBI expanded the circle of LE that needed to know.
MOO sounds like a totally rumor.

 

[Cryptic]

Thank you.

And I can't help thinking about all the people in jails across this country who have been served up a bologna sandwich tonight and have no choice but to eat it or else go hungry, and this guy demands and apparently gets...vegan.

I fully understand your annoyance as I share it.

But....

As other posters have mentioned, prison vegan does not mean delicious vegan. There is a pretty good chance that BK got the exact same sandwich sans the bologna.

Breakfast might feature double toast for BK to somewhat compensate for no eggs. In short, the special food only needs to be palatable. It does not need to be especially varied. Nor does it need to be creatively presented. "Double bread" maybe a constant feature.

 

[rsd1200]

If the FBI had troopers pull over BK to gather incriminating evidence would there have to be proof that the stop was for a traffic infraction?

In other words can police pull someone over without cause to see if they can discover evidence to be used against them at a future trial?

Maybe that's why they followed for so long. They had to wait for him to make an error.

 

[TeaTime]

First, the FBI can not order ISP or Indiana County police to do anything. The agency can request assistance.

There was no interstate BOLO on a white Elantra with WA plates. It wasn't needed, he was being tracked across the country already.

When he registered the car in WA, he got new plates, but the VIN number didn't change and transaction was easily accessed. When they pull up a list of all the white Elantras in a year range in the DMV databases, the title transfer 5 days after the murders would jump out like a jack in the box.

They knew who they needed to arrest before he left WA, they were just waiting on DNA confirmation.

JMHO

LE is way smarter than anyone gives them credit for. Outstanding job here.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I fully understand your annoyance as I share it.

But....

As other posters have mentioned, prison vegan does not mean delicious vegan. There is a pretty good chance that BK got the exact same sandwich sans the bologna.

Breakfast might feature double toast for BK to somewhat compensate for no eggs. In short, the special food only needs to be palatable. It does not need to be especially varied. Nor does it need to be creatively presented. "Double bread" maybe a constant feature.

Thank you. Seriously. And to all other posters here who have enlightened me on how a vegan diet can more easily be accommodated in jail than I thought.

 

[TeaTime]

I doubt the jail or prison will have special pots and pans to accommodate his vegan preferences.

 

[Here_I_Am]

I was wondering if he was following close behind other cars to try and avoid his front numberplate being picked up on any automatic cameras, toll roads, or parked speed trap police cars with automatic numberplate scanning.

Being picked up twice for tailgating is unusual imo

It is weird that he was stopped twice within ten minutes (by LEO from two different jurisdictions even) for tailgating of all things. I see people doing it all the time and yet I never hear people getting pulled over for that. Twice in 10 minutes by cops that don't communicate with each other is quite bizarre.

Why was one of the stops being reported as a speeding stop earlier? It's pretty clear that both of them were for tailgating.

And why did his dad so quickly mention the WSU incident that happened that morning when they'd have been on the road well before any of that happened? He made it seem like they were fleeing something. I guess he could just be trying to talk his way out of a ticket by any means possible.

MOO.

 

[sunshineray]

It's hard to tell on these videos about any injury to BK's right wrist, IMO. In some shots it only looks like a contour shadow, but others it does look like an area with a possibly healing straight-line wound.

These are three fullscreen images I took from the video on the link (not the first video in link, scroll down) with my phone. I did no enhancements to the images at all. It's such a small few seconds that this image is visible in the video. Each one, to me, looks different.

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[TheNile]

Ok I figured out how to link to a post! MOO, I think forcing a vegan to eat meat would/could cause mental distress. A lot of distress depending on the mental state of the prisoner and how deeply they believed in the morals of the lifestyle, and wouldn't that be a sort of "cruel and unusual" punishment? Idk about the actual legal definition of cruel and unusual punishment but I imagine that would fit?

Edited to say I did not figure out how to link to a post LOL

 

[katydid23]

Nobody is going out of their way to accommodate his special diet in a jailhouse. JMO. A vegan meal is likely more sides than the usual meat and sides. You dig?

Vegan is more stringent than vegetarian. Feeding a vegetarian would be easy peasy. Just serve the sides, as you said.

But vegans don't eat meat or dairy products, inc milk, eggs, butter, sour cream, any breads made with dairy products, etc.

So that cuts out many of the usual side dishes, like Mac and cheese, mashed potatoes, etc.

 

[Dotta]

"A source told Fox News' Dan Springer Wednesday that the stops came at the direction of the FBI, who were looking for images of Kohberger's hands."

Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger's new mugshot revealed

University of Idaho quadruple murder suspect Bryan Kohberger's newest booking photo became available Wednesday evening after he entered the Latah County jail.

www.foxnews.com

 

[PNWTech]

Here's my attempt at a transcription of the second traffic stop. I don't know if this has already been done, but I searched and didn't see anything. There's quite a bit of unintelligible audio that I've denoted with square brackets and ellipses.

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How you all doin'?

[Sir]

Trooper [...] State Police, got your license and registration?

[Yep]

Wonderin' why I stopped you then when you were driving by me there you were a little too close to the back of that semi, only about one car-length between you and the back of this trailer. You want about one car-length for every ten miles an hour, so if you're going sixty or seventy miles an hour, y' need about six or seven car-lengths, okay?

[We just...]

Oh, you guys did?

[Yeah, and State... so...]

You got -- you got stopped by a trooper?!

We don't -- we don't have any SUVs.

[Well, it was, um...]

It was a county guy; was it like a black SUV?

[Yeah]

Okay, alright. Alright. And he said you guys were following too closely?

[I don't, he said like... when he says... so close to the...]

Okay.

[...what happened at WSU where my son goes to school, a shooting...]

Today?

[Yesterday... left to pick him up]

Well I'm not gonna give you guys another ticket or warning if you just got stopped; just make sure you give yourself plenty of room, okay?

[How much -- where do you want...]

So, so, like I said; it's all -- it's all about how fast you're going, okay?

[Yeah]

So, if -- if you're going 10 miles an hour you only need one car. If you're going -- so the speed limit here is 70 -- if you're going 70 miles an hour you need seven cars, yeah. That's, that, that -- that's the easy way to explain it.

[Thank you so much]

Alright. Yeah [laughs] Okay. [...] need to open your window -- end up being a big [...]

[..]

Alright, you guys have a safe trip. Where you all headin'?

[Thank you so much...]

Where -- where you all headin' to? Huh?

[...]

Where -- where at? PA? That's a long haul. You guys scared of airplanes? (laughs)

[...]

Did ya? Okay. Alright, well hey, peace out, safe trip -- be safe

[Thank you sir]

 

[wary]

Wouldn't a pretextual stop, if proven, be argued by the defense as a basis to exclude any evidence gathered as a result? Also, if the MSM's "source" for this claim was actually involved in the investigation - doesn't that violate the gag order ?

I think the gag order came from an Idaho court, and wouldn’t be binding on Indiana LE.

MOO

 

[Vegasgrl]

In the US court system, you are innocent until proven guilty. I am not a lawyer, but that is our system. Even if you just follow for instance, British crimes series, you will detect right away that our US Miranda rights are specific, and VERY different from what you hear when folks are arrested in other nations. We have the right to remain silent. period.

These crimes were brutal. violent.

The person that committed these crimes is dangerous. So, unless LE was on him 24/7, there's no way they would be secure in the fact that the public in that area was safe. I would say especially because this was a college community, and the victims were college-aged students.

Also, in the US, we enjoy freedoms that allow for that freedom, until through our legal system, that it's decided that there is enough evidence for an arrest.

IMO, LE has overwhelming evidence that they have THE killer.

That flight today (with the refueling layovers) was just so long, and I wonder if BK had any utterances (about anything)? No one can say now because of the gag order.

 

[drmrgrl]

Same. I think there's a 2nd suspect."We're operating on the assumption that at least one of the victims knew the person or persons responsible," says the police source. "But nothing is really off the table. We don't want to rule anything out until we know for sure." people magazine

Inside the Idaho Murders Police Investigation: 'We Had Officers Breaking Down at the Scene'

"We had officers breaking down at the scene," a law enforcement source who is familiar with the case tells PEOPLE in its latest issue. "It wasn't a clean crime scene."

people.com

Agreed IMO there’s more to the story I suspect.

 

[Helechawagirl]

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He seems to have a furrowed brow now.