ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 68

[Cool Cats]

Instagram of Dog Who Belonged to Idaho College Victim Has People So Saddened

Murphy is now being cared for by his dad, Jack.

www.yahoo.com

Kaylee Goncalves had a dog named Murphy who survived the attack.

Kaylee shared the pup with her ex-boyfriend, Jack, who is now caring for him full-time. To keep people updated on how this sweet dog is doing, he created an Instagram account featuring his photos. Here's the very first post on the account. As you'll see, the caption reads: "Missing my mom every day, but trying to live my best life. I got to admire her beauty in the sky this evening."

 

[layer]

Amido black does detect protein, the protein in blood to enhance a pattern. It is better for photographing.

Correct, but there are a lot of proteins that aren't blood. As such, it is not used as a presumptive test for blood. It's a stain. As you indicate, it is used to improve visibility.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Forensic Autopsy of Sharp Force Injuries

Injuries produced by pointed objects or objects with sharp edges are referred to as "sharp force injuries." Sharp force injuries are characterized by a relatively well-defined traumatic separation of tissues, occurring when a sharp-edged or pointed object comes into contact with the skin and underlying tissues. Three specific subtypes of sharp force injuries exist, as follows: stab wounds, incised wounds, and chop wounds.

Forensic Autopsy of Sharp Force Injuries: Overview, Definitions, Scene Findings

Injuries produced by pointed objects or objects with sharp edges are referred to as

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I’m thinking Ethan may have been lying on his stomach wearing a dark coloured t-shirt which would at first sight, mask blood stains and tears. The killer would have imo, furiously stabbed multiple times to overcome and kill the victim in seconds.


Edit- somehow I lost @scottishgal post about pca portion.

 

[LaylaD]

When did the DAD purchase the airline tickets?

If BK’s dad helped him move in prior to the fall semester, it’s my opinion that he purchased a round-trip ticket at that time - drove to WA with BK, flew back to PA (first leg of rt ticket), flew back to WA in Dec, and then the drive back to PA. Generally, round-trip tickets are less costly as two one-way tickets

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Let’s first contemplate the sweeping ramifications of this:
The amended order also prohibits any statement that is not a direct quote from court documents, and specifically calls out a number of specifically prohibited types of statements, including “any opinion as to the merits of the case or the claims or defense of a party,” and any statements about “evidence regarding the occurrences or transactions involved in the case.”

News outlets join to oppose gag order in Idaho stabbing case - OPB

But that doesn't really answer my question. The quote was that this order kept private "vital" information from the public. I just don't see any of the above being "vital" information. It's more like just feeding the public's curiosity, which I think is fine, but not really a reason to oppose a gag order IF the concern is that the trial could be compromised without it.

JMO

 

[layer]

Forensic Autopsy of Sharp Force Injuries

Injuries produced by pointed objects or objects with sharp edges are referred to as "sharp force injuries." Sharp force injuries are characterized by a relatively well-defined traumatic separation of tissues, occurring when a sharp-edged or pointed object comes into contact with the skin and underlying tissues. Three specific subtypes of sharp force injuries exist, as follows: stab wounds, incised wounds, and chop wounds.

Forensic Autopsy of Sharp Force Injuries: Overview, Definitions, Scene Findings

Injuries produced by pointed objects or objects with sharp edges are referred to as

emedicine.medscape.com

I’m thinking Ethan may have been lying on his stomach wearing a dark coloured t-shirt which would at first sight, mask blood stains and tears. The killer would have imo, furiously stabbed multiple times to overcome and kill the victim in seconds.


Edit- somehow I lost @scottishgal post about pca portion.

Ghastly

 

[layer]

Instagram of Dog Who Belonged to Idaho College Victim Has People So Saddened

Murphy is now being cared for by his dad, Jack.

www.yahoo.com

Kaylee Goncalves had a dog named Murphy who survived the attack.

Kaylee shared the pup with her ex-boyfriend, Jack, who is now caring for him full-time. To keep people updated on how this sweet dog is doing, he created an Instagram account featuring his photos. Here's the very first post on the account. As you'll see, the caption reads: "Missing my mom every day, but trying to live my best life. I got to admire her beauty in the sky this evening."

Thanks for sharing that! Jack took a beating on SM but that is a boss move right there.

 

[scottr]

Not sure what to think of this but I find it concerning as it throws doubt toward cell tower data:

The affidavit states that on November 13, the day of the killings, Kohberger's cellphone number pinged a cell tower near his apartment at 1630 Northeast Valley Road at 2:42 a.m. At 2:44 a.m., Kohberger was seen on surveillance footage from Washington State University "traveling north on southeast Nevada Street at northeast Stadium Way."

However, Newsweek drove from Kohberger's residence to the street listed in the affidavit, and the trip took just over seven minutes. Other possible routes shown on Google Maps have estimated times of seven to eight minutes.

Yeah it could just be that whether he's at his apartment or at the spot where the surveillance footage was taken, the same tower is pinged.

I don't think the cell phone data has as much to do with anything. Sure the tracking prior to the killings suggest possible stalking and the tracking the day of the killings suggest possible evasion but I think the best info about the cell data is that it shows he was in the area during the crimes.

This guy's best defense might just be that he couldn't possibly have committed the murders because he was nowhere near the house, meaning far away.

Whether the cell data can pin point location or not can be debated over and over but it seems like at the very least, the data shows he was close enough to go to that house that night.

 

[Observant-ADHD-ENFP-BSc]

Instagram of Dog Who Belonged to Idaho College Victim Has People So Saddened

Murphy is now being cared for by his dad, Jack.

www.yahoo.com

Kaylee Goncalves had a dog named Murphy who survived the attack.

Kaylee shared the pup with her ex-boyfriend, Jack, who is now caring for him full-time. To keep people updated on how this sweet dog is doing, he created an Instagram account featuring his photos. Here's the very first post on the account. As you'll see, the caption reads: "Missing my mom every day, but trying to live my best life. I got to admire her beauty in the sky this evening."

I saw the top comment under the article that said something along the lines of it being poetic justice if Muphy's hair is what locks down this case and I so agree.
JMO

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

If there were 600000 cars on the road. And 10 Elantra's were amongst them. Then the difference might be a little harder to stomach.

Well, let's consider it.

But combine this with his other visits to Moscow,

I'd be shocked if every person in Pullman doesn't go to Moscow and vice versa. Until we know more about exactly where his phone pinged, I don't think this his being in Moscow or even in the neighborhood of the house is strong evidence.

his car leaving the UW campus,

To go to Moscow, like probably every other student at the UW campus. If there's any pattern to him leaving the UW campus late at night or early in the morning (since earlier reports had neighbors saying he was up at night), then this can be explained too.

his phone being turned off,

Phones run out of batteries. Mine did yesterday at work actually and I didn't have my charger with me.

his DNA at the crime scene,

THIS is your smoking gun.

A reasonable person is not going to think that all of those things I just stated happened by chance.

Jurors don't acquit on technicalities like this. ESPECIALLY when you have corroborating evidence.

I don't know, I think the current evidence sans DNA is crap, IMO. I think it would be difficult to get a conviction just based on pings and times his car leaves UW. I do think the police likely have more though so we'll see.

All the above is MOO.

 

[Megnut]

Forensic Autopsy of Sharp Force Injuries

Injuries produced by pointed objects or objects with sharp edges are referred to as "sharp force injuries." Sharp force injuries are characterized by a relatively well-defined traumatic separation of tissues, occurring when a sharp-edged or pointed object comes into contact with the skin and underlying tissues. Three specific subtypes of sharp force injuries exist, as follows: stab wounds, incised wounds, and chop wounds.

Forensic Autopsy of Sharp Force Injuries: Overview, Definitions, Scene Findings

Injuries produced by pointed objects or objects with sharp edges are referred to as

emedicine.medscape.com

I’m thinking Ethan may have been lying on his stomach wearing a dark coloured t-shirt which would at first sight, mask blood stains and tears. The killer would have imo, furiously stabbed multiple times to overcome and kill the victim in seconds.


Edit- somehow I lost @scottishgal post about pca portion.

Rbbm

I think what happened in X's room happened fast. I think she is the one who said someone was there and I think she said it to Ethan, but by then BK was upon them. Entirely possible Ethan attempted to sit/get up, and the force of the attack coupled with the law of gravity felled him from bed, hence the thud. I think he fell against the wall, at once concentrating his exsanguination and concealing his devastating injuries from immediate view.

Some say BK snapped that night. IMO he didn't snap; he stopped controlling the impulses he'd nurtured and curated for years. He leaned in. With intention. To his base self.

The rest of his life was probably an abject bore to him.

It's just all so unthinkable. Horrifyingly unthinkable.

JMO

 

[layer]

Yeah it could just be that whether he's at his apartment or at the spot where the surveillance footage was taken, the same tower is pinged.

I don't think the cell phone data has as much to do with anything. Sure the tracking prior to the killings suggest possible stalking and the tracking the day of the killings suggest possible evasion but I think the best info about the cell data is that it shows he was in the area during the crimes.

This guy's best defense might just be that he couldn't possibly have committed the murders because he was nowhere near the house, meaning far away.

Whether the cell data can pin point location or not can be debated over and over but it seems like at the very least, the data shows he was close enough to go to that house that night.

I think the historical cell data is more relevant to the PCA and explaining how they zeroed in on BK in the first place. I don't think it will play a huge role in prosecuting the case, and I would expect any testimony regarding it to devolve into a sparring contest between competing experts that won't add a lot to their case. Now if they werre able to extract GPS data from that phone, that could be big.

JMHO

 

[I'm Nobody]

I saw the top comment under the article that said something along the lines of it being poetic justice if Muphy's hair is what locks down this case and I so agree.
JMO

1000% yes. TEAM MURPHY all the way.

 

[Arkay]

I saw the top comment under the article that said something along the lines of it being poetic justice if Muphy's hair is what locks down this case and I so agree.
JMO

Wouldn’t it be great if “hair of the dog” became something infinitely more valuable than an alleged remedy for a hangover??

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Why did he wait until he got to his family home to clean the vehicle? Crazy.

It IS crazy and that's why I think the prosecution will strike and miss if they think this proves guilt. It just isn't conceivable to me that he'd wait for a solid month and a cross-country road trip to clean his vehicle.

MOO

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Instagram of Dog Who Belonged to Idaho College Victim Has People So Saddened

Murphy is now being cared for by his dad, Jack.

www.yahoo.com

Kaylee Goncalves had a dog named Murphy who survived the attack.

Kaylee shared the pup with her ex-boyfriend, Jack, who is now caring for him full-time. To keep people updated on how this sweet dog is doing, he created an Instagram account featuring his photos. Here's the very first post on the account. As you'll see, the caption reads: "Missing my mom every day, but trying to live my best life. I got to admire her beauty in the sky this evening."

There's something so incredibly sweet about Jack using Murphy's Instagram account to process his own grief. I love this.

 

[whiterhino]

Wouldn’t it be great if “hair of the dog” became something infinitely more valuable than an alleged remedy for a hangover??

If only Murphy had bitten BK! All jokes aside, it really does make my heart heavy.

 

[scottr]

The gag order is for attorneys and others directly related to the case, like investigators, including ATTORNEYS for victims' families. The text is clear on that point. It refers to attorneys for the families, not the families themselves. The families can speak out, just as we can or any other citizen. However, that is not to say that giving media interviews about the accused or the case itself is helpful to the cause of justice. Now that the is a suspect in jail, pending trial, there is no longer a risk of the case going cold or (if we think BK did the crime) the killer striking again. The gag order is NOT for S.G. or any parent.

I can't think of a case where people who are not on the investigative team added to the understanding of the case itself. As someone who watched whole weeks of the OJ trial while I was home writing a book, I know for sure that lawyers playing to the media can lose cases.

Parents and other family members can help us understand the impact of violent crime on families, the meaning of their loved ones' lives, the difficulty of going to trial, the pain of loss, and the broader impact on whole communities. They can keep us in touch with the cost of murder and help us see what we all have lost. These are all worthy ways for victims' families to have a voice. If S.G.'s attorney is leaking information or causing concerns about a fair trial, that should have been stopped before there was a gag order. Same with prosecutors, defense attorneys and investigators. I know I'm in the minority because I worry about the families pressuring the very people trying to bring about justice.

The Pike County massacre trial had a gag order too, and it was frustrating to those in the public who wanted to know everything right now and couldn't wait for a complex investigation to be completed and presented at trial. But once the trial begins, most if not all of the information will be public record, covered by the media, and presented to anyone who can get into the courtroom. The Pike County prosecutors got a LWOP conviction on 8 felony murder counts and other lesser charges without having the accused's DNA or fingerprints at the scene. If reports are right, this case is a far better one for the prosecution.

I honestly don't understand all the uproar about the gag order. Do people seriously think that this is going to stop anyone from providing information to the press? Is it really suppressing any information from being leaked?

Just about everything from msm so far has come from anonymous sources so what they're going to stop because of a gag order? I don't think so. The gag order is simply CYA for the court, that's all.

 

[rahod1]

Bryan Kohberger's Server Reveals What Was Memorable About His Order—Reports

They said he stood out because of his particularity when it came to making sure the food had not been in contact with animal products.

 

[Nova]

IT IS HEREBY ORDERED:
1. The attorneys for any interested party in this case, including the prosecuting attorney, defense attorney, and any attorney representing a witness, victim, or victim's family, as well as the parties to the above entitled action

Since, at the beginning of the sentence, they specifically refer to: witnesses, victims and victim's families as the interested parties being represented by the attorneys, I am pretty sure that they are the same parties being referred to as the sentence continues: as well as the parties. I think what you are referring to (employees, clerks etc) would properly be called associates, rather than parties.

I do know that several MSM are reporting that the gag order does indeed include the families:

Idaho Judge Expands Bryan Kohberger Gag Order to Include Victims’ Families

It has also barred victims’ families from giving out any information relating to the case.

I would also add that we aren't the only ones struggling to digest the wording.

The Latah County Clerk’s Office declined to provide any clarity stating that they can’t “interpret the order.” When asked if there was someone who could interpret the order, a Statesman reporter was told “no.”

You may well be right and if you are, IMHO that judge is on a very shaky constitutional ground. How in heck does losing your daughter or son to a monster reduce your First Amendment rights as well?!

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