ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 42

[BeginnerSleuther]

I'm super overwhelmed by all the articles being released, especially as actual information is getting harder to find now that there's a suspect. I want to go back to the beginning though, as there's so many opinions bouncing around in my head and just want to ground myself. I need to know if it was ever confirmed that KG had a stalker - or if that was just fabricated.

I was going to ask the same question and I am also very overwhelmed by all the information.

 

[Normamsmiley]

He didn't know they were home. I don't think they were spared, I think they were lucky. If he had known they were in the house he would have done the same. There is no reason or justification for his actions. We are just trying to, as normal people, to make a reason for this behavior. This investigation is going to be like a can of worms. I just really hope this is his first. Jmoo

There is no way that he planned an extensive murder and then missed that two other people were home. I’m not trying to get in his head, just saying that you can’t be a budding SK who targets a home, does research, picks the right night, hides the car - and then misses that other people were there - that’s not logical, even in a crazy persons mind.

IMO evidence will come out regarding his connection with KG and about how he was connected with KG and how/why he targeted her.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

He became what he studied.

Or he gained a better insight into himself and his fantasies and wanted to commit the perfect murders.JMO

 

[LynnWhite]

It's just not clever though. The way an innocent person most often behaves when confronted & accused has been repeated endlessly on true crime shows. Cops say it again & again how people who did nothing raise hell, keep asking things like "What's this all about." And I've heard many times LE say it was suspicious when the suspect didn't act that way, & add, to the effect, "Were it me arrested, I'd be yelling at everyone I didn't do it!"

They're not quiet, they don't stare off. They are agitated, outraged, & often repeating that they have rights, so where's a lawyer? They're busy vehemently denying any involvement. And some LE are very skilled at deception tells, so they know fake outrage when they see it. I bet a lot of us at WS watched enough Dateline to know when suspects put on a show.

So yes, perhaps he thought he was being clever asking that, same as he was clever driving his own car to the crime scene. For all we know, he was laying in bed dozing off reading his own thread here.

Oh we’re definitely on the same page, I think his response reeks of guilt. What I meant is that I believe he’s guilty, and I think therefore has almost necessarily been on edge waiting for that moment to come, and instead of trying to plead innocent, he decided to play “gotcha” and imply he wasn’t alone. In other words I don’t think those words just came to him, he had that answer planned, thinking it would unnerve the police, in my opinion/armchair guess.

 

[BeckyF]

Hopefully this post isn’t too off topic. But it seems the authorities were able to get a DNA match very quickly. Why is it other DNA kits sit on a shelf somewhere for months, untested, due to backlogs at state levels?

I’ve followed a couple of murder cases recently on WS and in one case in particular, a rape kit wasn’t tested for months and if the testing hadn’t been delayed, another woman wouldn’t have lost her life.

 

[Arkay]

He became what he studied.

Or he studied what he wanted to become.

 

[drmrgrl]

She said they had his mattress pulled up and leaning against a window. God knows what was under that mattress!

IMO, it was either as clean and shiny as could be, or there were little separate piles of toe jam/toenails, belly button lint, bodily fluids. With any luck, a very large “ edged weapon” with blood on it.

 

[knuterocknes]

There is no way that he planned an extensive murder and then missed that two other people were home. I’m not trying to get in his head, just saying that you can’t be a budding SK who targets a home, does research, picks the right night, hides the car - and then misses that other people were there - that’s not logical, even in a crazy persons mind.

IMO evidence will come out regarding his connection with KG and about how he was connected with KG and how/why he targeted her.

I agree. I feel like if BK has a connection to KG something will come out, even if it is through the media. I mean, look at all the people coming out of the woodwork to talk about how they knew him. At this moment, I wouldn't be surprised if someone at UoI just recognized a connection between the two.

 

[Trocroc9]

He became what he studied.

I think it’s a combo because all of us here love criminology but 99% of us don’t want to hurt anyone. This is a horrific mess of genetics, mental health and environmental issues in moo

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

I was responding to @Puzzles8 as the thread changed and I lost my post. I agree with your theory @rabidstoat , that steroids may have been a part of his aggression. Diet. I think he dedicated that summer to not coming back to school being the heavy kid that he was. New Year New Me. We then see that he gets started in boxing and running. His eating habits drastically change. This fella is lean and strong. His still very rigid with his eating. Possibly to the point of an eating disorder, but not anorexia. He seemed to have made a pivot over that summer, and then possibly started abusing drugs, and possibly drinking too. He represented that he did. I think it's entirely possible he started abusing steroids, and very likely one or more others. But those eyes. Something is just not right. Even a friend or two noted his eyes.

I thought this guy would have to be athletic. I was thinking upper body strength would have to be a factor. Possibly had on shorts and a college t., underneath coveralls, threw the coveralls, shoes, and knife in a bag, Ditches his coveralls and shoes in a dumpster or lake along the way. There are two routes he could have taken, both take about the same time. He'd be just another white sedan traveling home. He could've told his mother he was heading home the day before. He's young. He could drive 18 hours, maybe more, especially on an adrenaline rush, and he'd arrive about right on time. If he's truly a psychopath or some other path, he learned how to blend a very long time ago. He's a chameleon. IF he's a true psychopath, he knows right from wrong, so insanity would be out the window. JM2 All psychopaths don't go around murdering people. They adapt. IANAPsychiatrist, I just play one from my armchair. Seriously though, in every picture, the eyes have it.

I actually agree with a lot of this. When I read about "the change" in him, I immediately thought drugs. The same drugs that cause weight loss can also cause aggression, violence, impulsive behavior, and even detachment from reality.

The only part I disagree with is steroids. While steroids certainly can cause aggression and irritability, they actually cause weight gain rather than loss.

 

[Trocroc9]

IMO, it was either as clean and shiny as could be, or there were little separate piles of toe jam/toenails, belly button lint, bodily fluids. With any luck, a very large “ edged weapon” with blood on it.

I’m wondering if there was a manifesto that we all are hoping to read someday!

 

[Twistinginthewind]

LE must have really worked it & left no stone unturned on that list of 22,000 White Elantras to find BK drove one, when according to this article, he doesn't even have a car registered in his name:

"Moscow Police and prosecutors won't reveal what tip led them to Bryan Christopher Kohberger as the prime suspect in the murders of four Idaho University students six weeks ago, but the mysterious white Elantra seen near the crime scene may have been critical.

Friday, Moscow Police Chief James Fry confirmed a white Hyundai Elantra was seized in Pennsylvania, where the FBI and state police SWAT teams arrested Kohberger early Friday morning.

Retired Special Agent John MacVeigh told investigative reporter Terri Parker that Kohberger does not have a vehicle registered in his name and no criminal history, meaning while police were running DNA and fingerprint checks from the crime scene on the national database, Kohberger would not have shown up as a match."

Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger has no criminal history, no car registered in own name

 

[WingsOverTX]

I'm super overwhelmed by all the articles being released, especially as actual information is getting harder to find now that there's a suspect. I want to go back to the beginning though, as there's so many opinions bouncing around in my head and just want to ground myself. I need to know if it was ever confirmed that KG had a stalker - or if that was just fabricated.

Unconfirmed.

She had mentioned it to some people but whether it was an off-hand remark or a serious enough concern that she thought of reporting someone is unknown. I haven't seen anything in these threads to suggest she ID'd this person to anyone. I also haven't seen documentation here by anyone she shared more concrete evidence with than just a feeling.

Perhaps others here can clarify what has been discussed here regarding the stalker.

Maybe she did have a stalker. I get the feeling KG was sharp & intuitive. If she thought there was someone following her virtually or in real life, there probably was. Might not be connected to these terrible crimes but who knows?

JMO

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

They are both genetically based. The environment might cue certain levels of dysfunction that lean more towards a "sociopathic" outcome, but it is now accepted that both psychopathic factor I or II is largely genetic, at least thoretically. It's important to remember that psychopathy was essentially a construct used to explain criminal behavior.

IMO, ASPD doesn't even belong in the DSM and mental health needs to detach itself from criminality. JMO.

 

[knuterocknes]

Unconfirmed.

She had mentioned it to some people but whether it was an off-hand remark or a serious enough concern that she thought of reporting someone is unknown. I haven't seen anything in these threads to suggest she ID'd this person to anyone. I also haven't seen documentation here by anyone she shared more concrete evidence with than just a feeling.

Perhaps others here can clarify what has been discussed here regarding the stalker.

Maybe she did have a stalker. I get the feeling KG was sharp & intuitive. If she thought there was someone following her virtually or in real life, there probably was. Might not be connected to these terrible crimes but who knows?

JMO

Thank you! I believe that Kaylee was intuitive too, a lot of young women are, especially when away at college. We're always looking out for ourselves, definitely being hyper vigilant to the people around us.

 

[blackbeary]

People with mental issues can turn to drugs, hoping it will fix whatever's "off" with themselves. I've seen this first hand. Depending on which drug, they can be happy and chill, others can cause violence
( huffing and meth, just to name a few.)
Vegan, my son is young, early 40's, he had a heart attack and became vegan to save his life. He has the autoimmune diabetes, it affected his thyroid at the same time, at age 14. My aunt died at 14from this. If BCK was running 7 miles a day, and boxing, that would give him the fitness, and the ability to swiftly pound with a sharp edge weapon.

 

[drmrgrl]

Highly punch able face he has... sorry, don't have more to offer right now.

IMO, well….don’t tell him that….

 

[KBlackRabbit]

Yes, it really is an overused term, like, narcissist. If he was clinically diagnosed with OCD, the crime itself would be too messy, among other things. He’s probably just very neat and orderly. JMO

Agree. A vegan wanting to use different pots and pans and other cooking implements is not unusual, though it can appear to be so to someone who hasn’t been around a lot of vegans.

That said, veganism is sometimes used to mask a restrictive eating disorder, though to my knowledge there’s no evidence as of now that he’s been diagnosed with an ED.

Prior to his arrest, a few have speculated that the perp may have regimented thinking and may belong to or admire strict/regimented groups. Veganism taken too far can qualify.

Disclaimer: Just my own thoughts. My own diet is mostly vegan, but not completely, and I know many who follow it as a philosophy 100% including not wearing wool or using anything with animal products as much as practicable. It can seem obsessive to those not used to it.

 

[feralwriter]

Sociopathy refers to an out-dated term that is closely related to antisocial personality disorder (ASPD). A sociopath would be sloppy and far from orderly. I like to give an example to describe a sociopath. Aileen Wuornos was a sociopath, among other things. Those very unstable folks who commit crime and have major dysfunction in many aspects of their lives are sociopaths. Sociopaths are not capable of becoming a college graduate. Psychopaths are what you are thinking of. The construct is broken into two factors however, and the confusion is that factor I (one) psychopaths are calm, cunning, charming, shallow and able to fit into social norms, albeit often lying or manipulating to gain favor. They can be killers as well, and antisocial with predatory behaviors. They can also graduate college. What used to be sociopathy is essentially factor II (two) psychopathy nowadays in the forensic literature. That facet involves irresponsibility, impulsivity, poor behavioral control, novelty seeking, as so forth. Most people will have a mix of the two facets, ad therefore it is often used inappropriately in context when describing a suspect. The terms have a lot of overlap and confuse most people, including non-forensic clincians. The DSM only allows for a Dx of ASPD. To attach a label of psychopath is not a diagnosis per se and only used when forensic clinicians use the PCL-R (or similar psychometric) to determine those traits.

Wait, sociopaths can't get a college degree? Antisocial personality disordered folks can't follow a course of study? Do you know how many of them head up Fortune 500 companies? Have you read The Sociopath Next Door?

 

[Vegasgrl]

Yeah, I’m on the same page. You don’t just wake up one day and decide to stab four 20 year olds to death. MOO, he’s been wanting to murder for a long time and finally decided to do it.

The fact that he was in a doctoral program for criminology and studied at DeSales under a renowned serial killer researcher isn’t a coincidence, IMO. The dude has been obsessed with murder for a long time,

Again, MOO.

studying under a renowned serial killer researcher reminds me of the movie Copycat