ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 12

[human]

I have a keypad lock like they have. Every time you lock or unlock it, it makes a noise. A loud whirring noise.

It is unmistakeable,

I wonder if the killer went in earlier and unlocked the sliding glass door.

 

[Dr. Farce]

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I don't know if this is easy to read, however, the MPD SHOULD IN MY OPINION, document every stop, every contact if they aren't.

I see "no report " on many calls for service. I hope to high heaven, every contact with or stop of a civilian they document it and that individual's information.

It is good for the uniform officers to CYA and the department CID can decide if a follow up is necessary

I would suspect that they do document everything. That’s common practice in LE. Usually the reports will be referred to as “Field Interview Reports” or “Field Contact Report”. It is usually just kept private within the LE department. You might be able to get them through a records request, but that again depends on the state and jurisdiction.

I’d suspect the “No Report” you are seeing on the blotter is just meaning there wasn’t a criminal offense, but I’m not positive on how their department operates.

 

[Jallisons]

I think Murphy was waiting in the yard when everyone woke up the next morning. If not he would have walked through evidence when perp walked from one bedroom to the other. And if he had been out when girls got home, they would have looked for him, not gone to bed. imo.

Therefore...perp let him out. imo

Which then reminds me, did perp clean up in each bedroom. Not if he woke anyone up, so no time to clean up between murders. Then he might have cleaned up between bedrooms after the murders, locked the doors, then left. ??? 30 minute cleanup? or more? He must have left with large bag of clothes and cleanup stuff.

No reason to think they did not look for dog when they got home. Certainly there were numerous calls to co-owner, could have been combined with looking for him outside. Just because eventually went to bed doesn’t mean they weren’t looking for him in the hour between getting home and presumably going to bed. I don’t know there is much you can do at 3am other than call out for dog inside and out, maybe put out treats, and hope he returns home by morning. Don’t think neighbors would appreciate knocks on door at that hour. MOO

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

I would suspect that they do document everything. That’s common practice in LE. Usually the reports will be referred to as “Field Interview Reports” or “Field Contact Report”. It is usually just kept private within the LE department. You might be able to get them through a records request, but that again depends on the state and jurisdiction.

I’d suspect the “No Report” you are seeing on the blotter is just meaning there wasn’t a criminal offense, but I’m not positive on how their department operates.

Exactly how it’s done here - sorry for not being clear they don’t just scrawl things in notebooks that aren’t turned in.

Edit to be more specific: they enter all pertinent details after the contact concludes into the vehicle’s computer or terminal. Sometimes there can be a delay if they have to respond to an immediate call.

 

[Miss Jennifer]

I'm glad we're discussing the unusual language around when LE found Murphy. It's been on my mind since LE's update on 11/21. If LE found Murphy on the night of the incident, this is undoubtedly discussion-worthy.

 

[UKUS]

Nov 23 2022

Investigators are wisely establishing their case -- documenting/counting all the items and interviews and sharing these regularly with the public and online. They want to be sure the murderer does not get away once caught. they are publicly outlining their meticulousness - they're not hapless at all but actually systematic and methodical. Imo they know who they're looking for. Thank you @dotr for posting these. The interviews with the four experts are very clear...based on their experience this crime was not a committed by a stranger. It was not random.

This is why from the beginning police have said there wasn't a threat to the broader community. Legally they've had to walk that back (twice) because they simply overstepped in trying to restore the community's sense of security - no one can guarantee there are no threats at any given time. etc. But they knew the murderer knew the victim(s).

 

[ShadyLady]

No reason to think they did not look for dog when they got home. Certainly there were numerous calls to co-owner, could have been combined with looking for him outside. Just because eventually went to bed doesn’t mean they weren’t looking for him in the hour between getting home and presumably going to bed. I don’t know there is much you can do at 3am other than call out for dog inside and out, maybe put out treats, and hope he returns home by morning. Don’t think neighbors would appreciate knocks on door at that hour. MOO

My point was that I think perp let Murphy out. Or as you said, he might have gotten out earlier. But, I dont think he was loose in the house right after the murders, or as they were taking place. Maybe perp let Murphy back in after he did his evil deep if he was found in the house in the morning.

 

[Miss Jennifer]

Investigators are wisely establishing their case -- documenting/counting all the items and interviews and sharing these regularly with the public and online. They want to be sure the murderer does not get away once caught. they are publicly outlining their meticulousness - they're not hapless at all but actually systematic and methodical. Imo they know who they're looking for. Thank you @dotr for posting these. The interviews with the four experts are very clear...based on their experience this crime was not a committed by a stranger. It was not random.

This is why from the beginning police have said there wasn't a threat to the broader community. Legally they've had to walk that back (twice) because they simply overstepped in trying to restore the community's sense of security - no one can guarantee there are no threats at any given time. etc. But they knew the murderer knew the victim(s).

Great posts. Thank you.

 

[Strong1]

I have a keypad lock like they have. Every time you lock or unlock it, it makes a noise. A loud whirring noise.

It is unmistakeable,

I wonder if the killer went in earlier and unlocked the sliding glass door.

I hadn't really thought about that. That is a possibility. If they were watching the house and saw everyone leave and then entered and unlocked the slider. That would mean this was a planned attack. By unlocking the slider that would mean that they could skip the first floor altogether. So that would add credence to the idea of a targeted attack.

 

[acutename]

Idaho is busting out their budget on investigations, crime, and court costs lately. Nothing ever happens in Idaho...since Ruby Ridge. Now, this quadruple murder, and the murdered children in Rexburg, ID.

"And up to $1 million has been made available to the investigation by Gov. Brad Little, Colonel Kedrick Wills announced Wednesday. The governor is a graduate of the university."

U of I to offer hybrid courses, examine academic options into the new year

“As we gather with family and friends this week, remember those who have empty seats at their tables,” university president Scott Green said Tuesday.

www.idahoednews.org

 

[isabella88]

Can anyone give me clarity on the stalker rumor/lead? I was told on here earlier that it is just something Mark Furhrman made up but now LE is looking into it. TIA

 

[MesquiteO21]

My point was that I think perp let Murphy out. Or as you said, he might have gotten out earlier. But, I dont think he was loose in the house right after the murders, or as they were taking place. Maybe perp let Murphy back in after he did his evil deep if he was found in the house in the morning.

i'd be interested to know if he was ever crated at night which could explain a lack of blood/evidence on him and not necessarily because the perp took the time to let him out

 

[accordn2me]

No reason to think they did not look for dog when they got home. Certainly there were numerous calls to co-owner, could have been combined with looking for him outside. Just because eventually went to bed doesn’t mean they weren’t looking for him in the hour between getting home and presumably going to bed. I don’t know there is much you can do at 3am other than call out for dog inside and out, maybe put out treats, and hope he returns home by morning. Don’t think neighbors would appreciate knocks on door at that hour. MOO

He looked like a Wheaten terrier to me.... He was probably smart as a whip and curious as all get out too... if someone would've accidentally or on purpose let him out, he probably would've hung right around the house and would most likely have wanted to get back inside where he was pampered. If he were mine, I think I'd call the co-owner first, before waking up my roommates to look for him....but if the other owner didn't answer, I'd be knocking on the roommates' doors to get my dog when I got home.

 

[isabella88]

I hadn't really thought about that. That is a possibility. If they were watching the house and saw everyone leave and then entered and unlocked the slider. That would mean this was a planned attack. By unlocking the slider that would mean that they could skip the first floor altogether. So that would add credence to the idea of a targeted attack.

I also find it interesting that the slider cannot be seen from the front of the house. It's a peculiar home design. If the killer(s) did enter thru that door, it makes me think that they knew the house from previous experience or they really cased out the house. JMO

 

[positive]

Takes less than a second to thumb-lock a door on your way out. Then again, if you should have happened to drop something in the room, like say... oh maybe... a knife sheath... you just locked yourself out.

IMO the knife sheath was never at the crime scene. In the odd chance it was ,I belive it would have been on his belt.(not a clip on style sheath

 

[Jallisons]

My point was that I think perp let Murphy out. Or as you said, he might have gotten out earlier. But, I dont think he was loose in the house after the murders, or as they were taking place. Maybe perp let Murphy back in after he did his evil deep if he was found in the house in the morning.

Got it. MOO that perp let Murphy out and poor pup was found cold and confused outside the house sometime the next day, police turned him over to animal control and co-owner picked him up there later. Speculation.

 

[isabella88]

IMO the knife sheath was never at the crime scene. In the odd chance it was ,I belive it would have been on his belt.(not a clip on style sheath

That kind of knife is one they wouldn't chance holding with a clip, I would imagine.

 

[Jallisons]

He looked like a Wheaten terrier to me.... He was probably smart as a whip and curious as all get out too... if someone would've accidentally or on purpose let him out, he probably would've hung right around the house and would most likely have wanted to get back inside where he was pampered. If he were mine, I think I'd call the co-owner first, before waking up my roommates to look for him....but if the other owner didn't answer, I'd be knocking on the roommates' doors to get my dog when I got home.

Good point, could have been bunking with downstairs roommates who got home earlier.

 

[isabella88]

"And up to $1 million has been made available to the investigation by Gov. Brad Little, Colonel Kedrick Wills announced Wednesday. The governor is a graduate of the university."

U of I to offer hybrid courses, examine academic options into the new year

“As we gather with family and friends this week, remember those who have empty seats at their tables,” university president Scott Green said Tuesday.

www.idahoednews.org

That money will go quickly.

 

[Strong1]

I also find it interesting that the slider cannot be seen from the front of the house. It's a peculiar home design. If the killer(s) did enter thru that door, it makes me think that they knew the house from previous experience or they really cased out the house. JMO

The slider would seem to be the best way to enter and exit the house with out being seen. I agree the killer most likely knew the layout of the house.