ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 15

[crax.t]

This is where part of my confusion lies. Even if the body fell face down where ever it was discovered, it's very hard to believe that the room mates observed no blood. Let's say, for whatever reason, they observed very little blood, and assumed it was just the result of falling when passed out. You still don't know the situation, and even if you are terrified, wouldn't your first instinct be to leave the interior of the house, go outside and call 911 ? Why would you call your friends before calling 911 ? Unless, of course, there was drug activity (or something else ) you are trying to conceal. Now, if drug acitivity was a factor in the home they shared, that could add another possible element to these homicides. I'm NOT saying this is the case, what I am saying is that there was a reason the surviving room mates called friends before calling LE. What that reason is, I couldn't say. But it strikes me as extremely odd.

MOO

two of the victims are not of legal drinking age, so it's possible they didn't want to embarrass their friends by calling 911. at least that's likely how i would've reacted in college. especially if i was hungover.

JMO

 

[Colorado303]

The vigil is tomorrow its already been widely reported that the killer may likely attend, but will he? surely the eyes of the world will now be on that vigil and scanning the faces of everyone who is there?

If the killer is someone people would expect to be there he’ll likely show up so his absence doesn’t attract suspicion. If he’s someone only slightly acquainted with or unknown to the victim’s friends he may stay away. Or he may be compelled to come. If the latter, I expect he may show up alone, stick to the back and conceal his face with a hoodie as much as possible. Possibly hang near a group of people and even speak to them so he doesn’t appear to be alone, but still an outlier. MOO

 

[TooMuchGun]

Better late than never?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1597659765844631553

why 5 cars? 2 are Ks?

 

[crax.t]

why 5 cars? 2 are Ks?

maybe one is one of the surviving victims.
i think it's been determined from sleuthers that jeep is EC, honda is XK, range rover is KG's

 

[britinsussex]

Full body suit and booties has ALWAYS been my theory.

I have believed from day one that the K wore some type of Tyvek suit and shoe booties! You can purchase it on Amazon! We have a boat-making factory near us and all employees wear these and booties to keep the fibreglass from getting into the skin. Also, the same suits were used during the height of Covid in hospitals. DuPont Unisex Industrial - - Amazon.com

 

[Charlot123]

KG's dad explained why they didn't have a funeral as they were afraid the killer might attend. Has anyone found an obit for her? tia

That girl deserved a funeral. Usually police would love the killer to attend. But of course, it is up to parents. I hope LE catches the killer/s, and then, the friends of K would come in for a remembrance party or such. Lots of people and good memories.

I think it's logical that you're questioning whether some drug was used beforehand to relax the victims into a deeper sleep. Awaiting toxicology results. Pathologist Dr. Michael Baden said they'd test for date rape drugs, etc., AFAIK, Chloroform is hard to detect in a toxicology test.

MOO, but the killer would have to be very careful if they used Chloroform not to knock themselves out. (wear a gas mask?) Are you thinking maybe the killer held a rag over all four victims before stabbing them? I just don't think so. It would take even more planning. (Warning-- GRAPHIC-- I hate to say this, but the victims were in sleep mode and not expecting an attack, so a quick slice to the throat, or an aimed stab, is how it probably went down quickly.)

I try to avoid spending too much time on coming up with endless theories. It's really a horrible image to imagine, and we are all experiencing some amount of horror daily wondering how this could've happened, and waiting for an arrest. It's impossible to avoid thinking about it, but be kind to yourselves and don't feed your mind too many gory images. Prayers.​

I Googled “is it easy to obtain chloroform?”, found tons of recipes online (!), and while I don’t think it was used here (smell, nasty chlorine smell!), I remembered some parts of SM’s story (“bleach smell” and “a pool” in the hotel), and started wondering if that was the case where chloroform was used. Sorry it is a different case but the one that generates questions.

 

[Russian Blue]

The U of Idado apparently contracts their public safety with the local LE, they do not have their own campus police officers.

And to hinder anything like a potential murder is criminal in itself.

 

[makayla]

Full body suit and booties has ALWAYS been my theory.

Mine too! Presumably so there’s less blood to track, plus you can take it off and have clean clothes underneath. I’m not sure where he would dispose of the suit and booties though.

 

[Charlot123]

If a person were in a place they ought not be that could be a multitude of situations… wrong toilet, in staff area and not staff, in a road they wouldn’t normally frequent .. it could be spotted by a member of the public or a suspicious spouse eg “why were you at the bar last Fri ???”
I for one, once asked my partner what was the address typed in the car gps cos I couldn’t understand why he’d been to that suburb… he answered ( truthfully )he’d been to collect a Facebook marketplace purchase . This kinda stuff I guess

I think it was “something that is not there”. Could be as simple as a jacket should be hanging on a rack if the killer said he stayed at home but his jacket wasn’t there in the time slot. Or simply disappeared after murders. Or the car not at the parking lot (but should be). Or, simply, a huge knife that disappeared from a frat? (Even I have a fixed blade cooking knife although I am not sure it would work for murders).

It also could be some case where the explanation doesn’t match the situation. Like, there is a shoulder/elbow trauma incurred during “running”, or cuts on the pinky/below it from “cutting vegetables” or “cat scratches”.

 

[Fascinated1]

Coroner yes 100% cops too. Most crimes i've followed the can tell many things about what happened from these type details.

For clarification-if they were talking to the public would they differentiate slashing vs stabbing. I believe yes but wanted to confirm.

 

[Snoop Sister]

Bumping my own post. I'm not impressed with the retired FBI female. She seems to be putting her own interpretations on some known facts. Sorry Websleuthers.

Yes, but isn’t that what everyone is doing? She doesn’t have any more info that what we have and what has been reported in msm. Brian is asking her, her interpretation.

 

[Emerald15]

If the killer is someone people would expect to be there he’ll likely show up so his absence doesn’t attract suspicion. If he’s someone only slightly acquainted with or unknown to the victim’s friends he may stay away. Or he may be compelled to come. If the latter, I expect he may show up alone, stick to the back and conceal his face with a hoodie as much as possible. Possibly hang near a group of people and even speak to them so he doesn’t appear to be alone, but still an outlier. MOO

I don’t think he will show up. Too risky with media and LE. I think killer is enjoying all the coverage in the comfort of his home watching all the TV coverage, and podcasts on you tube.

 

[cottonweaver]

Can't remember how to reply with quotes, not been on WS for quite a while but Steve Goncalves was interviewed today on GMA and regarding the ' unresponsive' ( or unconscious ) victims, his reply on this suggests that the surviving housemates tried to contact them via phone.

' I know the girls reached out by texting and calling '
( suggests they didn't see any bodies or have access to the victims' rooms)

 

[MesquiteO21]

Is DNA taken of Juveniles convicted of animal cruelty? Can a juvenile commit a felony and stay on their record into adulthood?

not a lawyer but i do work with criminal records and i'm about 99% sure it's going to just depend on the specific state/jurisdiction. MOO

 

[knla]

This is where part of my confusion lies. Even if the body fell face down where ever it was discovered, it's very hard to believe that the room mates observed no blood. Let's say, for whatever reason, they observed very little blood, and assumed it was just the result of falling when passed out. You still don't know the situation, and even if you are terrified, wouldn't your first instinct be to leave the interior of the house, go outside and call 911 ? Why would you call your friends before calling 911 ? Unless, of course, there was drug activity (or something else ) you are trying to conceal. Now, if drug acitivity was a factor in the home they shared, that could add another possible element to these homicides. I'm NOT saying this is the case, what I am saying is that there was a reason the surviving room mates called friends before calling LE. What that reason is, I couldn't say. But it strikes me as extremely odd.

MOO

The girls were scared and authorities usually don't show up right away.

 

[TooMuchGun]

Can't remember how to reply with quotes, not been on WS for quite a while but Steve Goncalves was interviewed today on GMA and regarding the ' unresponsive' ( or unconscious ) victims, his reply on this suggests that the surviving housemates tried to contact them via phone.

' I know the girls reached out by texting and calling '
( suggests they didn't see any bodies or have access to the victims' rooms)

or they saw Es body and ran downstairs called X, K, M

 

[ArmChairDet]

Mine too! Presumably so there’s less blood to track, plus you can take it off and have clean clothes underneath. I’m not sure where he would dispose of the suit and booties though.

Could be true, however, where did we here there wasn't evidence left. We have heard that the scene was messy, lots of evidence to sort through. I wouldn't assume that no arrest means there wasn't evidence left.

 

[Catz]

This is MOO. Regarding the 3-4am window discussed as the time of the murders. How can they have such a small window? Maybe a piece of evidence is a broken time piece, like a clock knocked off a nightstand, or found on the floor, batteries popped out, something that shows a specific time and looks out of place enough to be considered evidence. A broken watch, etc.

 

[Fascinated1]

Can't remember how to reply with quotes, not been on WS for quite a while but Steve Goncalves was interviewed today on GMA and regarding the ' unresponsive' ( or unconscious ) victims, his reply on this suggests that the surviving housemates tried to contact them via phone.

' I know the girls reached out by texting and calling '
( suggests they didn't see any bodies or have access to the victims' rooms)

So maybe friends came over FIRST and could not reach them but saw cars still there. Woke up roommates (eg standing in kitchen yelling for someone). They then tried to call the victim-they called more friends over and then they all decided to call 911. Not sure how many were there when authorities arrived.

 

[crax.t]

Mine too! Presumably so there’s less blood to track, plus you can take it off and have clean clothes underneath. I’m not sure where he would dispose of the suit and booties though.

yeah the disposal is what's tripping me up.