ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 17

[SMK777]

Idaho State Police adds patrols to university campus ahead of vigil for four students killed in unsolved stabbings | CNN

Idaho State Police has added four campus patrols and 14 patrols for the general community as the University of Idaho prepares to host a vigil Wednesday night for the four students fatally stabbed earlier this month.

www.cnn.com

 

[Allabouttrial]

KG’s Dad just confirmed contrary to LE that she had a stalker and she was targeted.<modsnip>

Idaho college murders: Slain student's father says she had stalker

Murdered University of Idaho student Kaylee Goncalves told her dad and friends she had a stalker — but authorities have been unable to verify the reports.

www.foxnews.com

For the sake of context. From the above article:

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"Did [Kaylee] ever talk to you about a potential stalker or somebody that made her uncomfortable?" ABC News reporter Kayna Whitworth asked Kaylee's father, Steven Goncalves, in an interview.

"She did," he replied. Police previously said they had thoroughly probed reports from family and friends that Kaylee had a stalker.

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"Do you think Kaylee was specifically targeted?" Whitworth asked Goncalves.

"It’s a fear of mine," he replied. "It’s a fear that when you have something like this happen the last thing you want to do is hurt the other family, and you don’t want to have any kind of responsibility for those people to feel like they were just casualties."

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[ellabella]

Personally "the house was the target" to me means anyone living there, any of those college kids from that house. Person was the target is a specific person in the house. And I do think it could help solve the case.

 

[SMK777]

Personally "the house was the target" to me means anyone living there, any of those college kids from that house. Person was the target is a specific person in the house. And I do think it could help solve the case.

They should have said, “The household was the target”.

 

[Jealoushe]

Brian is going to get to the bottom of the reversal of the reversal haha.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1598058064594468864

Brian is the bomb

 

[Saquish]

Do you think the killer had an excuse to be at the property in case he got discovered before he could kill? What would an excuse be? Hey your dog got out so I returned it? or hey I am here to do some repairs? Did the landlord use a property management company for this property?

 

[SuziQ]

KG’s Dad just confirmed contrary to LE that she had a stalker and she was targeted. <modsnip>

Idaho college murders: Slain student's father says she had stalker

Murdered University of Idaho student Kaylee Goncalves told her dad and friends she had a stalker — but authorities have been unable to verify the reports.

www.foxnews.com

He doesn't know who killed his daughter or if she was a target. Imo.

 

[TheBorez]

I mean the house was the target like the Manson case. So if you don't live there, your home won't be attacked. I'm not saying that's what happened but it's possible, IMO. The house could have been the target and for some reason the surviving roommates were unreachable. Locked door?

If LE believed this they could not in any good faith tell the community that they did not believe there was an active threat.
The fact that LE have said this was isolated and essentially everyone else is safe, should tell everyone that 1 or more of the victims was the specific target.
In cases like this, it is highly unlikely that someone isn’t targeting one person e.g. a stalker of some sort.

 

[layer]

What they were saying was, someone in this home was the target, they are unlikely to attack your home.

When Ted Bundy attacked the Omega Chi sorority home the house was the target, not any individual resident. Get it?

 

[SuziQ]

Does anyone think the FBI will post this case on the FBI 10 most wanted list if it goes unsolved for another couple of weeks? I’m not sure what criteria is used for this to be done.

Only if they identify the perp and can't find him and need a nationwide BOLO. So no. Iko.

 

[Jealoushe]

Sometimes people kill for the smallest reason. I'm reminded of the guy who violently killed his parents because they were going to cut him off financially after supporting him at school for many years and he refused to get a job etc. Then there is the guy who killed his parents because they wouldn't let him go to prom.

Could be something that seems small, that set off some psycho.

 

[ventuc]

They should have said, “The household was the target”.

Exactly, IMO. There might have been a reason that this group of people was targeted—jealousy, revenge, attraction (probably to the group of girls), exposure on social media, and maybe made possible by lax security. It’s my thought that the goal was to kill all of them, but the perp was scared off after the struggle with E and X, or that he couldn’t get into the downstairs’ roommates locked doors.

 

[ACG2x]

I think all of these points are somewhere between plausible and likely, except I do not think he had studied the layout of the house from the inside—I think he had probably never been inside, or if he had been it was very brief.

Very fair point but my only thought on that one that would support he did is he knew to enter through the sliding glass door which was in close proximity to KG/MM vs. entering on the ground floor where the two surviving roommates were. This is under the assumption that KG or MM were the target.

Also, the layout of the home with detailed floor plans are very easily accessible on real estate sites and online with high-resolution pictures of each of the rooms. So even if the killer had only been in there once he would have a mental picture that could be verified by using sites like MLS.

 

[layer]

If LE believed this they could not in any good faith tell the community that they did not believe there was an active threat.

It's possible that they originally did think one person was the target, but after clearing this person's ex, they were left to walk back the idea that there is no active threat to the community. I suspect the University played a role in putting out the whole "targeted, everyone else is safe" narrative.

 

[SuziQ]

I am getting so frustrated with this ‘house was the target’ v ‘person in the house was the target.’
Both mean exactly the same thing. Unless of course we have a new brand of killer who only targets homes with three stories, 2 balconies and sliding doors? Killers don’t target residences, they target people.
LE have been clear, there was a target. This also makes total sense, the majority of crimes of this nature have a target and the target isn’t a ‘house’ it’s a ‘person,’

Burglars target houses all the time. They don't care who lives there. Imo.

 

[BeckyF]

Only if they identify the perp and can't find him and need a nationwide BOLO. So no. Iko.

Thank You SuziQ.

 

[Saquish]

Other people who carry knives like this for work are insulation installers. just throwing that out there. sorry for the randomness

 

[MesquiteO21]

I mean the house was the target like the Manson case. So if you don't live there, your home won't be attacked. I'm not saying that's what happened but it's possible, IMO. The house could have been the target and for some reason the surviving roommates were unreachable. Locked door?

IIRC, in the Sharon Tate case the house was targeted because of who Manson thought still lived there not realizing he had moved out. Probably wouldn't hurt to look at who else had previously lived in the 1122 King Road house, and they probably have.

 

[Arkay]

If the house was the target would the goal to be to get rid of the house so someone could buy the lot cheap and build bigger rental or apartments as the lot is big enough for multi units? Because who would rent this house now? And it does have a large lot compared to neighboring properties. There is no evidence of this that we know of thus far yet the flip flopping about who or what the target is makes me wonder.

IMO, murdering four young people in a vicious manner in order to do a tear-down of the physical house would be so disproportionate as to make zero sense.

I agree with those who say targeting the "house" has nothing to do with the physical building whatsoever. To me it's just shorthand for "the place where the person or group someone wanted dead could eventually all be found together as this was their residence."

Or perhaps, but to my mind much less likely, is a thrill killer who zeroed in on this house as he felt it was easily accessible to him in a way that nearby off-campus homes were not.

IMO

ETA: If the owner of the house had any intentions, pre-murder, to rebuild the house for any reason, it would be easy enough to wait for the lease to expire. This is transitory housing because it is for students; no one is taking out a 30-year mortgage on the property when they'll only spend a few brief years there.

Jmo

 

[TheBorez]

Burglars target houses all the time. They don't care who lives there. Imo.

Agree but this is a very different crime. I believe we will come to be given evidence that proves one person was the target. Perhaps there are indicators of this already by each persons wounds. E.g. if one person had multiple facial stab wounds and the others didn’t, LE could quickly determine that this person was likely the target.