ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 17

[The Observer]

As I wrote before, it is not easy for one perp to kill 2 people in the same room because other one would wake up and try to help, scream, or started running for help. Others would wake up for sure. And he had to do it twice, two rooms two people. If there were 2 or more perps, it would be easier, faster and quieter. IMO

It's not necessarily difficult either. The girls were both visibly intoxicated. If the first blow to the first victim in the bed is fatal they'd not necessarily make noise of volume enough to wake an intoxicated person who is asleep. Perhaps the victim just made that shock gasp for air upon the fatal blow, which killer could muffle with their hand. All this of course depends on the skill and/or composure of the killer. I'm speculating that X (and possibly E, though not confirmed) had 'defensive' wounds because perhaps she was not intoxicated or as intoxicated.

 

[EncyclopediaBrownJr]

So if the target was on the second floor it would be even easier to escape through the sliding doors. But killer/s didn't stop on the third or second floor, which ever was first. But it stopped one which ever was second, but why? that doesn't make any sense. It is good that it stopped, because two more precious lives would be lost, but still, why? Nothing makes sense here.

If the target is on the second floor, he either knows or doesn't know the target is in that room. If you know, you get into that room. If you don't know, you get into that room anyways to see if the target is there. And then when you're done you go out the sliding doors and off into the dark. No need to go upstairs.

And it doesn't make any sense cause there's a lot we don't know. We're just speculating.

 

[JaimeInLA]

When I gave my theory on what happened which seems like a lifetime ago, I said I think that they were in the same room in the same bed. That's the reason I thought if one of them was the target, he had to kill both of them.

Not only that, but they look extremely similar. I get them mixed up when I look at photos. Imagine trying to tell them apart in the dark at 3 AM. He may not have even known which one was which if he was just somebody who had previously observed them from a distance through a window.

 

[SuziQ]

@MorganRomeroTV


BREAKING: I just received this letter on behalf of the Latah Co Prosecutor I interviewed earlier: "Thank you for the opportunity to speak with you today. We want to let you know that there was a miscommunication between detectives and my office..."

"To clarify, investigators do not believe the murders were random, but we cannot unequivocally state the residence, or any occupants, were specifically targeted. I apologize for any confusion."

CORRECTION FROM #MoscowPD "Conflicting information has been released over the past 24 hours. The Latah County Prosecutor’s Office stated the suspect(s) specifically looked at this residence, and that one or more of the occupants were undoubtedly targeted."

“We have spoken with the Latah County Prosecutor’s Office and identified this was a miscommunication. Detectives do not currently know if the residence or any occupants were specifically targeted but continue to investigate.”

Bumping this up in case anyone missed this.

 

[elainebenice]

It's strange to me a single killer could kill two people in one bed without restraining them and move to another room to do the same without it escalating into a larger confrontation.

If both people are passed out drunk and the killer stabs one in the chest/critical area, they would easily be able to stab the 2nd one in the same/similar area before they had a chance to react. This first knife attack could have theoretically been basically silent. The killer then leaves the first room either on their way out of the house or to the 2nd room. If he was headed out of the house then it means he encountered one of the other victims outside of their bedroom. He would have had a 1 on 1 with that victim in the spot where they met in that situation and then could have gone into the bedroom that victim came out of to either check to make sure no one else was there or because he heard something/someone in there and knew they were there. Either way he would have again had a 1 on 1 with the 4th victim in that scenario. If he went directly to the 2nd bedroom intentionally upon leaving the 1st, he could have killed them in the same surprise manner as he did the 2 in the 1st bedroom.

 

[samiam33]

There is something that has been bothering me. KG moved out of house and moved home in the middle of a semester for an internship? That just strikes me as odd from a timing perspective. Any details in the internship which turned into a well paying full time job. Why does the family keep stressing how well this job pays? Seems like a weird thing to focus on.

It doesn't seem odd to me. My daughter is a senior in college and needs to put 100 hours into an internship. Internships are often not local. If a student scheduled wisely throughout their academic career, they might be able to take an internship out-of-town or out-of-state, in combination with online classes (many more available since covid) or possibly she had completed all of her other classes and only needed to complete her internship to graduate, allowing her the freedom to take an internship wherever. Her internship may have had a mid-semester start date or she could have been moving home just before the holidays to prepare for her internship that begins at the start of next semester. There are so many possibilities, none of which seem odd to me.

 

[SuziQ]

"Moscow Police Chief James Fry told ABC News on Wednesday that police still "believe this is a targeted attack," but he won't reveal why they think that. Fry would not say if a person or the house was a target."
Prosecutor said that they made mistake and that the house was targeted. Police wouldn't specify. So who knows. I really hope for the sake of the parents that prosecutor was right.

New info out. LE has just completely backtracked on the target.

 

[kittythehare]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1598159044388478978

 

[samiam33]

There is something that has been bothering me. KG moved out of house and moved home in the middle of a semester for an internship? That just strikes me as odd from a timing perspective. Any details in the internship which turned into a well paying full time job. Why does the family keep stressing how well this job pays? Seems like a weird thing to focus on.

It doesn't seem odd to me. My daughter is a senior in college and needs to put 100 hours into an internship. Internships are often not local. If a student scheduled wisely throughout their academic career, they might be able to take an internship out-of-town or out-of-state, in combination with online classes (many more available since covid) or possibly she had completed all of her other classes and only needed to complete her internship to graduate, allowing her the freedom to take an internship wherever. Her internship may have had a mid-semester start date or she could have been moving home just before the holidays to prepare for her internship that begins at the start of next semester. There are so many possibilities, none of which seem odd to me.

 

[elainebenice]

Agreed, but that would be one of many factors and they keep words intentionally vague for a reason.

But I will reiterate, based on my own experience with a murdered friend where I had to wait 40+ years to find out who killed her and what all the cryptic comments meant, LE will not be telling us anything that might compromise the case and if that includes 3 were asleep and one was awake and fighting for their life, they are not going to tell us. Not if it could mean they can't get a conviction when they catch whoever did this. It might not seem like a big deal to non LE, but it makes a big difference. They will not say 2 were found in bed with stab wounds, 1 was in the hallway and one was laying on the floor appearing to crawl to the doorway (no basis in fact for that statement, BTW, just an example). They just won't because making the masses happy with information is not as important as convicting whoever did this. Even after waiting 40+ years to find out why the cryptic comments in my friends case, I'm all for keeping the important stuff to themselves.

Your mileage may vary.

I agree and am certainly not suggesting they should release any info such as this.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

He could well have been within earshot or entered soon after all went to bed.

I get that. Truly being in earshot is the only way. But he would have to know all 4 were asleep IF his goal was to strike while they were asleep. Which means what? Checked both rooms first? OR what else could it mean?

I will throw out things I am thinking of.

The killer was previously chatting with one or more.
Killer had somehow incapacitated them all? Maybe a laced drink shared together?
Killer had been in the house before and planted bugs or cameras?
There were two killers?
Killer really didn't care if they were asleep and staged the scene and the coroner was incorrect?
Did killer expect 2 per room? Seems it didn't deter.
Was the target all 4? And that is why 2 per room didn't deter?
Was the killer just utterly nuts?
Was the killer already in the house?

 

[SkyBoomer]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1598159044388478978

Well, if this isn’t an absolute cluster****……..

 

[CSIDreamer]

In that same article it says the coroner also said it wasn't true all were murdered in their beds so I think this issue is a wash at this point and will remain so until the official autopsy reports, crime scene reports are released

This is the official word on the asleep issue.

Autopsies were conducted on November 17th. The Latah County Coroner confirmed the identity of the four murdered individuals and their cause and manner of death as homicide by stabbing. The coroner stated the four victims were likely asleep, some had defensive wounds, and each was stabbed multiple times. There was no sign of sexual assault.

King Road Homicides | Moscow, ID

www.ci.moscow.id.us

 

[Emerald1328]

Seems like a pretty big walk-back!​

I don’t get it. Investigators don’t believe it was random but can’t say if the house or anyone specifically was targeted.

Random is defined as:

adjective
proceeding, made, or occurring without definite aim, reason, or pattern: the random selection of numbers.

So if it was NOT random, that means the murder WAS carried out with definite aim, reason or pattern.

The definition of target is:

noun

1. 1.
   a person, object, or place selected as the aim of an attack. "the airport terminal was the target of a bomb

Put those two phrases they keep saying together, a target is the object of an aim of an attack.

So are they saying that there was some reason they know the perp had to do this but that they don’t know who/what they were supposed to do it too? They somehow know the murder was carried out with purpose, but they aren’t sure what that purpose was? Is there something else that would make the crime seem targeted to police that doesn’t have to deal with the victims or house? Do they know the killer did this because his aim was a date, the 13th of a month? Was his aim in committing the crimes to do it on the second Sunday of November? I know this sounds flippant and I’m not meaning to be. I just wonder if we’re getting a clue from police that the reason they were killed wasn’t because who they are, where the house was, how exposed it was, etc, but something else. Problem is, I can’t even begin to guess what that could be.

And if they were aiming to reassure the community of anything with that statement, they missed their target.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

<modsnip>

Here is a link to the incident on the Band field. It is from 11-13-22

22-M09896 Alcohol Offense

Incident Address: TAYLOR AVE; Band Field

MOSCOW ID 83843

Disposition: ACT

Time Reported: 03:01

Cad Comments:

Officer requested a case. Report taken.

MPD Press Log 11/13/2022

www.ci.moscow.id.us

 

[Seattle1]

At least one had defensive wounds so I do not believe this is correct

XK's father earlier described his daughter as going down fighting (defensive wounds) but I think she could have easily been asleep (as per the coroner) but was awakened by the sound of the attacker stabbing Ethan next to her. JMO

 

[debirlfan]

It is impossible to slaughter 4 people with a knife and leave no trace. This crime scene was soaked in blood. The assailant walked in it, was covered in it, and left a trail as they removed him/herself from the scene. Difficult to understand how LE was unable to locate a trail.

The more I think about it, the more I think there was little blood other than in the two bedrooms. If the victims were killed in their beds, then the mattress and bedding will absorb most of it. There's probably not going to be a huge puddle on the floor, at least not immediately. If the killer takes a moment to wipe the knife and perhaps gloved hand on the bed, that reduces any dripping (and could explain how police quickly knew what type knife it was).

So if the killer avoids stepping in any large pools of it, and is careful about what they touch, any blood outside of the bedrooms might be limited to doorknobs (if you go with the theory that they locked the bedroom doors) and some drips and/or smears on the floor.

Judging from the real estate listing, it appears the floors were brownish. Dried blood might not be immediately apparent if you weren't looking for it, especially if the kids were a bit messy and often tracked in mud and dirt. Forensics would have found it, but I think there's a good chance the downstairs roommates simply didn't notice.

 

[layer]

Well, if this isn’t an absolute cluster****……..

I'm telling you, they're messing with us

 

[WildWest]

I think this must be a generation gap thing, so please let me try to explain why there’s no reason to read into them being found in the same bed. This is totally standard & platonic best friend behaviour. When I was away at school, my friends & I rarely slept by ourselves in our own beds. Especially after a few drinks. & it had nothing to do with being lovers or being scared of something. We’re truly just a hyperactive, overstimulated, anxiety-ridden, codependent generation. We never learned how to be alone with our own thoughts, so we like to stick together!

I see, yes, I'm the age of what their grandparents could be. Though we all slept in each others bed during slumber parties or after returning from parties depending on which of our homes we went to high school, I never slept one of my college room mates bed. Ever, dorms or the house. I'm sorry to hear about the anxiety and codepenence etc.

 

[AuntTricia]

Have you ever wondered how the killer felt safe enough presumably thinking they were asleep? Have you ever wondered how long the killer was in the house before attacking? Could the killer hear so much directly outside the rooms to feel like they were asleep? Why not presume they might be on their phone or being intimate and not asleep? I think this is worth thinking about.

Personally, I have many questions about this.

Some of the murdered University of Idaho students were stabbed in their beds, coroner says

According to police, the coroner said all four victims were likely asleep, some had defensive wounds and each was stabbed multiple times.

www.cbsnews.com

Horrible to think about it, but if their throats were slit first? After slitting each victim's throat in bedroom 3, started stabbing upper torso just for the thrill of it or to make sure death occurred? Then move down to bedroom 2 and repeat? MOO