ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 18

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  • #981
Like I said, I would like to trust the police… My post specifically cited Captain Lanier using the precise word “trust”… and I would agree with you completely if this was simply a matter of what you were saying… That the police just can’t come out and say why it was targeted… I also said that in my post… I accepted that… I was fine with them not telling us why they believed it was targeted, or who the potential target or targets were. But that was an entirely different scenario all together.

NOW, the number one thing the police have been adamantly repeating to the public and to law enforcement in the community and the families, since the very beginning, about these attacks being targeted… that that is where all of the evidence leads them, even though they can’t tell us why, we just have to trust them that it’s targeted… but NOW, that very thing that they have been vehemently repeating with such conviction, actually may not be the case at all. By their own admission.

As I said again, I have a great deal of respect for law-enforcement. I’m not gonna get into anything political in this forum, but the whole the police thing is ridiculous, our law-enforcement is critical and they do not get the respect that they deserve about 97% of the time… But this was a huge disappointment… Because it WAS a trust thing… And everyone that I’ve discussed this with today is reeling, feeling the same way. I’m not saying that is everyone’s opinion, or the correct opinion, but it is mine, and I am not alone. I can’t even imagine how the families feel.

it’s not lost on me that nearly everything related to this case cannot be disclosed to the public, but this was also a horrific crime, a exceedingly unusual crime, that has gained nationwide attention because of those circumstances and because of what an incredible tragedy the loss of these kids is… When literally the entire country is paying attention, because the entire country is praying for justice than some semblance of closure for these kids, their families, and their community… AND when you have such a psycho still out there on the loose, the number one thing LE professes to every media outlet from day one as essentially, the one thing they do know out of many things they do not yet know… And then it turns out that one thing they were so confident of, actually, may not be the case at all… When they tell us this, by their own admission, but try to euphemize it, calling it an “internal misunderstanding”, instead of owning it for what it is, is doubly disappointing when they emphasized how much we really need to trust them... to not own it like that, to call it a “internal misunderstanding” when it’s what they’ve publicly professed, leads to the opposite of trust. At least for me, and I think, in my opinion, significantly weakens the public’s confidence that MPD has this under control, or that we can even rely on anything else they tell us in the future now. Just how I feel. Very let down.
Isn’t the current “targeted” confusion over whether a person(s) was targeted or the house was targeted (after the prosecutor’s comment that it was the house)?
And when I listened to the Chief Fry’s press conferences, I noticed he always qualifies his statements, “We believe they were targeted because of the totality of circumstances we’re looking at”, and, “"We do not believe the following individuals are involved in this crime”.
He’s not stating fact, he’s stating, as clearly as possible, what they think based on the evidence they have at that time. As more evidence comes in, that can change.
 
  • #982
Wait a minute, it sounds like K's dad, in his interview, was saying that he had established a "footprint" behavior pattern that his daughter (victim) typically followed, and that her behavior footprint had changed. He actually stated "behavior of the victims" but I would assume he only knows his daughter's typical behavior. Am I reading this right?

Why would her behavior change right before she was murdered? Because she was being stalked, or became involved in some way with someone who was bad news?

I feel like this is an important piece of information that he divulged.
 
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  • #984
I agree. The follow-up question from the journalist on the behavior pattern thing tripped him up and he made it sound like it was the victim's behavior, but I don't believe at all that that is what he meant. I think he meant 'towards the victims'.
Totally agree…I think he meant behaviour toward the victims. IMO, behaviours towards his daughter and possibly MM.
 
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  • #985
Do people think perp has killed before and will again, if not caught?
 
  • #986
<modsnip: Quoted post was edited> There are 24,000 residents in Moscow and then there is the university. It isn't a large town, but even in small towns with the "killer in plain site", the crime is often hard to solve.
I could be wrong, but I think the university students are included in that total population number. If so, by the time you add in professors, admin, and service personnel, over half the population studies or works at the university.
 
  • #987
And I don't agree with that as it's very incriminating evidence. If a safe place to discard is known, it'd likely get dumped. MOO
Whelp, yes, a sounder mind would realize that.
However, it’s a profound attachment. And he will want to use it again, according to experts. IMO
 
  • #988
Do people think perp has killed before and will again, if not caught?

Well I have come full circle on my suspect assumptions. So if I am full circle my answer is no.
 
  • #989
Their food order was small, you can hear the guy on the food truck video say, it was $10. My guess is that they were hungry enough to eat it in the car on the way home. You can tell in subsequent food truck orders that when people were ordering for 2 people, the bill was $30. I think they ordered like a chicken taco.
K ordered carbonara. Both times she said it, she had difficulty pronouncing it, likely due to intoxication, IMO.
 
  • #990
Years ago at uni i was working a waitressing shift when a voice I knew spoke to me. It was a guy I d had a few dates with when I lived at home and it was so incongruent to hear him there. he said stuff about his birthday and wanting to see me. I agreed to one drink w him after work. But then he weirdly told me he liked the colour of my bedspread and posters……( he’d never been in my room) I made excuses n left but was prettified the whole solo walk home. When I got in I asked my housemates. She’d let him in n told him where I worked n he must have sneaked into my room when he went to the toilet.
So scAred that night. She n I slept with a carving knife n rolling pin

I can only hope these Four felt neither fear nor pain
 
  • #991
The 6th person could possibly be a parent, friend or relative co-signing for the tenant for financial reasons/backup for rent.
6 people slept at house night of 11/12/22, maybe all 6 were on lease. In Idaho, person needs to be at least 18 years old to be leaseholder and each leaseholder needs to occupy house/apartment in State of Idaho.
 
  • #992
K was killed in Maddies room though. Someone said k's bed was made. So no blood would be in her room.
You are correct. When I wrote my post, it was before Vigil and before knowing Kaylee shared bed with Maddie the night/early morning of stabbing.
 
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Do people think perp has killed before and will again, if not caught?
I do not think he has killed a human being before. I believe this was a passionate killing so in that respect, he probably won’t. But, I would not bet on it either way.
 
  • #995
JMO If the killer was concerned the 1st floor occupants would get in the way of his plan, it would make more sense for him to kill them too than lock a door on them. A locked door wouldn’t prevent them from calling 911.
I guess it's determined there was no door at 2nd floor to 1st floor stairway. I think this has to be someone who was partying at the house which party appeared to be on 2nd floor then maybe when 2 3rd floor roommates got home they also partied at 2nd floor. I think the killer had some visual contact with all four victims prior to the 4 victims going to sleep. I hope the police also looked into any/all food delivery person(s) who could serve as witnesses to if there was a party going on when food delivered if any.
 
  • #996
If they are collecting data from DNA websites, they don't need his DNA to already be in the system. All they need is for him to have some distant cousins whose DNA is in the system, and it will lead them to his identity.
Also they can quickly eliminate suspects from crime scene DNA based on eye, hair, and skin color.

Forensics: New tool predicts eye, hair and skin color from a DNA sample of an unidentified individual

“The tool is designed to be used when standard forensic DNA profiling is not helpful because no reference DNA exists against which to compare the evidence sample”.

“The HIrisPlex-S DNA test system is capable of simultaneously predicting eye, hair and skin color phenotypes from DNA. Users, such as law enforcement officials or anthropologists, can enter relevant data using a laboratory DNA analysis tool, and the [free] web tool will predict the pigment profile of the DNA donor…including DNA of the low quality and quantity often found in forensic casework and anthropological studies”.
 
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  • #997
The pictures on Zillow of house have been removed. In my opinion, it sounds like LE may turn over house to owner soon. I don't think there's much more evidence LE/forensics/FBI can gather inside the house.
 
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I do not think he has killed a human being before. I believe this was a passionate killing so in that respect, he probably won’t. But, I would not bet on it either way.
I believe he may not have killed a human before [wouldn't bet on it] but I think he'll kill again as I think he's got severe reaction to alcohol or other substance. When coupled with perceived slight from someone, he'll likely snap again. JMO.
 
  • #999
The residence being targeted is interesting. I would assume this meant targeted for possible robbery/burglary, but they have ruled that out? So what makes the residence “targeted”?
Psychopath or otherwise disturbed individual wants to commit murders. He chooses crime scene based on certain desirable criteria. One of those might be that the occupants be young, attractive females or partiers or Greeks, etc...but that doesn't mean those are targeted as individuals as much as targeted as OCCUPANTS of the targeted house. This person may be planning his crime for a lengthy period, choosing the date, month, weather, time frame to meet his fantasy. For example, it's possible the date 11/13 has a significance to him...or maybe just the 13th. It is noteworthy that he choose address 1122 and committed his crime on 11/22. If this is the case, he may have planned to kill all occupants or maybe just 4 random occupants--whoever was in the house on his chosen date for the crime. He may also have prepared for the crime without choosing a date, instead waiting with his murder kit prepared, having rehearsed various scenarios; then he was ready to act when the opportunity presented itself and conditions were favorable to him.
 
  • #1,000
Years ago at uni i was working a waitressing shift when a voice I knew spoke to me. It was a guy I d had a few dates with when I lived at home and it was so incongruent to hear him there. he said stuff about his birthday and wanting to see me. I agreed to one drink w him after work. But then he weirdly told me he liked the colour of my bedspread and posters……( he’d never been in my room) I made excuses n left but was prettified the whole solo walk home. When I got in I asked my housemates. She’d let him in n told him where I worked n he must have sneaked into my room when he went to the toilet.
So scAred that night. She n I slept with a carving knife n rolling pin

I can only hope these Four felt neither fear nor pain

Wow. who was your roommate? Kelly Bundy?
 
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