ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 21

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  • #461
I’m following up on my post from a few minutes ago. Brian Entin confirmed they were sleeping in room F and called it Maddie’s room. Maddy probably took Kaylees room once she moved out.

Last sentence is MOO
I know. Some say they were in their own bedrooms, some say they weren't. Maybe they started out in their own rooms and ended up in the same room during the murders. Let's use bedroom labeling as bedroom location rather than victim location.

If found in the same room, would it be Kaylee's bedroom or Madison's bedroom?
 
  • #462
The idea of targeting the house doesn't seem valid to me. What would be the reason to target the house? And lets say someone hates the house for whatever reason, wouldn't they then harm the house (burn it down, etc?).
When they talk about “targeting the house”, they are referring to all of the people inside the house at one time or a group of people as a whole. Also, I am inclined to think that when media/LE states the “house is targeted”, they actually mean, the previous tenants perhaps?
 
  • #463
Just some thoughts on the targeting debate. I think there has been an assumption that E and X heard something and got up to see what it was and accidentally confronted the killer. I had that assumption initially as well. But LE never said that and the coroner said they were all likely sleeping. So it’s entirely possible, and likely, imo, that they were in fact sleeping in their bed when they were killed. If that is the case then I can see why LE is having a hard time figuring out who was targeted. SG said the killer didn’t have to go to the 3rd floor so he is assuming either K or M was targeted. But the killer also didn’t have to go into a closed bedroom door and kill 2 sleeping people so it would seem that either E or X was also a target. (Again, just my opinion - we don’t know exactly where E and X were found, but if they were found in the bedroom, in bed, then it would seem as if they were a target as well). Just another way of looking at things since we really don’t have all the facts.

Also just have to add this case has really gotten to me, both from an emotional standpoint as I find it so incredibly sad, but I also find it quite unnerving. I sleep with my bedroom door locked every night now. Hoping for a break in the case this week.
 
  • #464
I'm so interested in the 911 call made by KG. This, coupled with the numerous calls are important. IMO
I MISSED THIS, when did KG call 911?
 
  • #465
I know. Some say they were in their own bedrooms, some say they weren't. Maybe they started out in their own rooms and ended up in the same room during the murders. Let's use bedroom labeling as bedroom location rather than victim location.

If found in the same room, would it be Kaylee's bedroom or Madison's bedroom?
It was actually room E, so it was Maddie’s they were in.

Side note: appreciate your insightful posts. :)
 
  • #466
There is no law preventing you from viewing a family member’s body but in this case, it would be after the autopsy.
Families do not always have to id bodies in person. Often there are other things, tattoos, distinguishing marks and also photos that usually sanitize the situation as much as possible. No saying what occurred here.
 
  • #467
It's mentioned here, in the context of discussing "target"

Well that is interesting…that she did dial 911 but maybe didn’t say anything….that could account for the narrow timeframe LE gave in the beginning.
 
  • #468
Is there a place that lists all the J's talked about in this case! I'm not following who is who too well.
TIA

1. Joseph W - food truck employee Slain Idaho Students Appear to Be Seen on Twitch Video at Food Truck Hours Before They Were Murdered
2. Jack S - hoodie guy at food truck Kaylee Goncalves Called Man Named Jack Before Idaho Murder
3. Jack D - Kaylee ex bf, Maddie and Kaylee made calls to him Jack DuCoeur: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know
4. Jake - Maddie’s bf Pictured: Bereft boyfriend of murdered Idaho student
 
  • #469
Elliott Rodger targeted a certain sorority house in the Isla Vista shootings as they were known as the "hottest".
That’s what Rodger was “ aiming for”- a certain location that is pinpointed
 
  • #470
I put this together a few days ago and linked the original author of the drawings. These are not my drawings.

I added a possible path through the house. After entering the house, the suspect may have checked the living room and main floor for witnesses first. That led to the first two murders. After the second floor murders, the suspect had the choice to go upstairs, or downstairs. It sounds like one of the third floor victims had a different cause of death than other victims.

The Manner of Death is homicide.

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I would also argue that it is Femicide, too.
 
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I was also in a sorority, and had multiple friends who dropped out. Especially as a juniors and seniors. Either due to the cost or not wanting to deal with all of the requirements. Another term often used interchangeably is disaffiliating.

Despite the girls dropping out, they would still be friends with everyone, hang out and even attend formals as someone’s plus one.
Yeah, just texted my ex-Greek cousin. She failed out of school and obv had to leave her sorority and she said she still gets together with them decades later.
 
  • #473
I MISSED THIS, when did KG call 911?
I'm sorry I asked. In the interview with Fox, SG says (almost mutters) she **didn't** call 911 but listening at normal playback speed it's hard to decipher. I misheard it, she DID NOT call 911 nor was she texting she was fearful or hearing things. I apologize for causing confusion.
 
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Per Brian’s Entin/Kaylees family with regards to stalker.

Dad says she was pretty and it was possible but he couldn’t confirm and that LE looked into it and found nothing substantial. Sister says they go back and forth on whether or not they feel confident in the investigation.

Paraphrasing.
 
  • #477
He is discussing police use of the word "target", and assuming that an individual, rather than the residence, is the target. He believes that, if one of the main floor victims was the target, the suspect would kill that person first, then the witness (Ethan and Xana), then immediately leave the residence. The suspect did not have to go to the third floor since the closest exit is on the second floor.

The fact that he then went upstairs, not downstairs, to kill two more tenants might mean that the targeted individual was upstairs. He is implying that the intended target was either Madison or Kaylee.
What if he killed the top floor first, went to exit second floor but accidentally woke up X and E? Therefore had to get them too. In this scenario, top floor still the target. Moo
 
  • #478
I transcribed that exact part of the interview because we were discussing it last night. Here’s what SG said about the “means” of Kaylee and Maddie’s being different (SG sort of goes off topic talking about his perceived lack of LE communication):

LJ tees up the next question (*This is the transcribed direct exchange):

LJ: “I had the opportunity to speak with some of my sources and I have been told there are differences in the way that the victims were killed. Some were more severe than the ‘other’. And this week, we heard ‘the target attack’ walk-back, and reverse it back to being a target attack — what can you tell us about the targeted attack”?

Mom of Kaylee: “Umm, they have told us it that was targeted, and but they told us they can’t tell who. We asked specifically. And they said, ‘We’ll try to get that information to you’ and they got back to us a day or so later and said, ‘We’re sorry, we can’t give you that information’ but, then a day later, we saw on the news that it was not targeted, or they think the whole house was targeted.”

SG: “I’ll cut to the chase, their means of death don’t match.”

LJ: “Maddie’s and Kaylee’s… Cause of death, it does not match based on the autopsy report?”

SG: “They don’t match.”

LJ: “It would indicate one of them may have been targeted?”

SG: “He doesn’t have to go up the steps! Let’s stop playing games! Guys! I need somebody to step up and be an alpha, be somebody to be a leader! Don’t make me do it! I don’t wanna do it! He doesn’t have to go up those steps. They’re mad. Their, their points of damage don’t match. I’m just gonna say it... Wasn’t leaked to me, I earned that. I payed for that funeral. I paid for that. It’s my right! You ain’t takin’ that from me!

Mom: “Calm down.”

SG: “If you don’t wanna say nothing, that’s your bed... But don’t say I’m leakin’ anything, I paid that bill! I sent my daughter to college to get an education, she came back in a box, and I can speak on that.”

Here’s the entire interview for complete context and I think it’s important to watch because he basically says the University is involved and is trying to suppress the media coverage and maybe that’s why there is mixed messaging because the University still wants prospective students to enroll and that would be hard if LE was blasting out there is a maniac on the the loose. (I paraphrased that because that’s what I understood also from the interview.)


I’m interested in your thoughts.

It's interesting because right after what you transcribed above, he says "the points of damage don't match." That's what I heard when I listened earlier. I didn't see the first bit. But you're right that he says the "means" don't match and when the reporter tries to get clarification of what he's saying, he moves on, then says "the points of damage." So I'm not really sure which one he means in that case.

JMO
 
  • #479
Just some thoughts on the targeting debate. I think there has been an assumption that E and X heard something and got up to see what it was and accidentally confronted the killer. I had that assumption initially as well. But LE never said that and the coroner said they were all likely sleeping. So it’s entirely possible, and likely, imo, that they were in fact sleeping in their bed when they were killed. If that is the case then I can see why LE is having a hard time figuring out who was targeted. SG said the killer didn’t have to go to the 3rd floor so he is assuming either K or M was targeted. But the killer also didn’t have to go into a closed bedroom door and kill 2 sleeping people so it would seem that either E or X was also a target. (Again, just my opinion - we don’t know exactly where E and X were found, but if they were found in the bedroom, in bed, then it would seem as if they were a target as well). Just another way of looking at things since we really don’t have all the facts.

Also just have to add this case has really gotten to me, both from an emotional standpoint as I find it so incredibly sad, but I also find it quite unnerving. I sleep with my bedroom door locked every night now. Hoping for a break in the case this week.
Really good point. And I don't think we even know the order in which the murders occurred, do we?
 
  • #480
Okay it’s over, Brian did not confirm where he received the information I was live posting. I will post a link once it’s up if no one else has.
 
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