ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 26

[Sister Golden Hair]

You'd imagine they'd not bring their phone or car, but I'm sure it happens.

thank goodness. but for some reason, I'm not sure this killer is that dumb. I hope I'm wrong. it's only my opinion, but they didn't leave a slug trail of evidence because LE would have them, so they're likely difficult to trace back, and that may mean they're smarter than the average bear. I'm not smarter than the average bear, but even I know to leave the phone at home and not drive my own car to a quadruple homicide and park near the house.

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

not if you drive to college from canada

you still have to cross the border and you're still on record.

editing to add;

and on camera and CBP Customer Service

 

[drmrgrl]

I think I saw the guy with the Cowboy hat wearing some type of ID badge around his neck .

My thought when I saw the video was that the gentlemen were from Texas or OK. OK does have its history with knife murders. Also, another new thing in KGs life was the potential job offer from Texas. If K was the target, was somebody angry that she got the job/internship that someone else coveted?

 

[Deleted member 110058]

Are we even sure if the car has anything to do with the crime or this is just a desperate hail mary by the police to find someone who may have been around the area at the time? I don't know, I'm feeling pessimistic.

You are correct. We have zero confirmation that this car was stolen or owned by a suspect.

there is no legitimate reason the car wouldn't be registered, and I think that the point is that the car fell outside of the legit reasons. imo. and there are ways to access information pretty quickly from the dmv. No one thinks it's like tv, at least not from what I cn tell, but there are background databases that access lots of information, including last time seen in public, and that's pretty scary imo, so yeah. and I do not have a link to those databases because they're not public, but I've seen and used them. they do exist.

You are creating info based on assumptions. Some of what you are describing is simply not how things work. This would require hundreds of warrants and is not a good use of LE's time. Not to mention the fact that DMV databases are rife with errors. It is 100% common for LE to ask for help in situations such as these.

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

You are correct. We have zero confirmation that this car was stolen or owned by a suspect.

You are creating info based on assumptions. Some of what you are describing is simply not how things work. This would require hundreds of warrants and is not a good use of LE's time. Not to mention the fact that DMV databases are rife with errors. It is 100% common for LE to ask for help in situations such as these.

you don't need a warrant. but whatever. have it your way.

 

[WildWest]

You have never heard of a side panel home ? The home is not brick. It has individual horizontal lines representing panels overlayed on top of each other. The edges are sealed with a caulking usually as referenced in the original post. The 1122 is not a brick home, so it has siding. Since brick siding is sealed accept where the wood trim meets the brick, the panel siding is sealed. I am pretty sure you are aware of what a side panel home is. The material used in the architecture is not the subject. It's just sealing may crack and for that reason, the observation of red fluids at the base of the home identified in the published pictures after the news announced the murders in that home.

Blood oozes from home where four Idaho students were killed

Sources in Moscow, Idaho, say the house where four students were brutally murdered Sunday was the worst they have ever seen. There was so much blood that it oozed through the walls.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Poster asked why blood would leak out of the homes in the north are sealed ?

Another poster responds that the homes don't always have good seals.

All seals break over time.

Response is

See an example subject

https://www.hunker.com/12266232/how-to-seal-siding-to-keep-out-mice

See outside examples

48+ of the Greatest Exterior Siding Ideas to Make your Dream Home more Beautiful | HenSpark Stories

No, I have never heard of wood paneling in the cold areas I've lived in. Tr1-11, wood clap, vinyl and metal, not wood paneling on the outside.

ETA, do you know what kind of siding 1122 has?

 

[PaulaDC]

wow how weird the vics' house is now blurred out on earth and the images are changed now back to a 2007 image. must be important to the investigation if they're blurring things out and replacing the 2021 images with 2007 ones.

After I read about them blurring the house out I went to Google earth to see. It's as easy as clicking on I want to blur my house so I blurred my house out too. It's just weird that everyone can see everything about anyone nowadays.

 

[Snoopster]

OK, I have no hope of catching up with the thread and the news about the white car. Would someone be willing to give me the 3 second update as to what we actually know and what we don't know?
TIA.

 

[Spyralflare]

So much for the alleged “Felony Friday.”
This is going to take time.

 

[samanthadaniels1995]

my point exactly. exactly my point. it falls outside of the definable range, and that means it slipped through one hole or another and that means planning and strategy.

Because the police are asking about the white car, it doesn't mean it is not define able. It means they want an opportunity to sort out those with information that will rule them out and narrow down those with the particular car and probable cause.

 

[di anna]

Yes EC was buried. M & K cremated. Not sure if we were told about Xana.

Cremation is much cheaper than burial. Often victims of crime are cremated because of the severity of damage done to their physical appearance.

 

[DoctorPsychMike]

One of the puzzling parts of this case is that 4 people were killed, and we don't know if any or all were targeted. Further, we don't know the order of the killings. (LE very likely knows from the blood evidence)

In terms of motive, perhaps it was simply attempted rape gone wrong. It's plausible. Perhaps he knew K and M had the upstairs rooms and planned to sexually assault one of them. A knife is terrifying, good for getting compliance with his goal, and quiet if he has to use it. Surprise, they're both in one bed.

He panics as they scream and silences them. K fights back more and enrages him, so her wounds are worse. As he comes down the stairs, X or E confront him and run back to their room. He chases them and kills them. Or... he comes downstairs frustrated and intent on satisfying his sexual urges and starts checking doors for one of the other young women who live there. Surprise again, two more people in one bed.

The advantage of this theory is it provides a reasonable motive. It's probably hard to imagine that after killing two people he could still be intent on rape, but a psychopath might do just that, and be largely unfazed by the killings. Coming down the stairs he might have thought, "That wasn't what I wanted, but I'm not leaving without getting what I came here for."

This isn't my preferred theory, but it's worth considering.

 

[TravellingCat]

AFAIK marshals don't really investigate. They primarily transport prisoners, arrest fugitives, and operate witness protection. I would be really surprised if they'd show up at a crime scene like those guys did. MOO

I work with US Marshals and you are correct, those are their main tasks, but they do sometimes investigate in relation to fugitives, threats by prisoners, or threats to government buildings. I do see Marshals dressed just like those guys were, at least some of the younger ones who haven't retired to security duty yet. I can't see a reason that a Marshal would be involved in this case unless it's related to a fugitive. MOO it's FBI dressed casually.

 

[Moonsie]

Department of Motor Vehicles

Right. Which one?

 

[Sundog]

could be a foreign students car. they should ask all colleges and universities to check their parking permit records.

Would the colleges and universities provide this information to LE without a warrant?

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

Because the police are asking about the white car, it doesn't mean it is not define able. It means they want an opportunity to sort out those with information that will rule them out and narrow down those with the particular car and probable cause.

I'd suggest going back and reading the thread to see the points that were being made and I'd also ay that asking for the public's information is a sticky thing in itself because of the sheer number and lunacy of somethings that will be called in IME and IMO. And probable cause takes more than a car.

 

[drmrgrl]

Wanted to add I'm also optimistic but just the reality that someone could kill that many people without waking up the others, is too well planned out. Still very high risk like serial killer enjoy.
I just assumed however the point of entrance he did it with gloves and didn't bother to close it so as to not leave any traces of evidence, and would just exit through open doors not touching anything on the way out.

The killer could feasibly be in and out of that house in less than five minutes IMO. But it makes me wonder if the perp was on drugs

 

[CeeMDubs]

I’m kind of surprised they publicly asked for help locating the white vehicle!

This is the FBI, Idaho State Police and local police!

I would think they would, could run that make and model quite quickly.

I’m wondering what they are really looking for? Maybe information on it being in the neighborhood and who was in it?

Things I ponder.

I’m wondering if that means they’ve had the information re the white Elantra for quite some time and it hasn’t panned out. Maybe their last option was to ask the public…

 

[samanthadaniels1995]

No, I have never heard of wood paneling in the cold areas I've lived in. Tr1-11, wood clap, vinyl and metal, not wood paneling on the outside.

ETA, do you know what kind of siding 1122 has?

The material is not the issue. It has paneling. Paneling is usually sealed. Seals age and break. Broken seals allow a flow of fluids the cross over the seals. Before technology developed all there was is wood paneling. But the material is not the point.

 

[WingsOverTX]

LE monitoring online web sleuths for misinformation.

Idaho police warn of 'criminal charges' for web sleuths engaged in 'harassing' amid 'misinformation'

Idaho police are asking web sleuths to tone down "rumors and misinformation" as well as "harassing and threatening behavior" as they probe a quadruple murder.

www.foxnews.com

Misinformation is unlikely to be actionable due to the First Amendment.

Per the article, LE did say: "Anyone engaging in threats or harassment whether in person, online or otherwise needs to understand that they could be subjecting themselves to criminal charges," Moscow police said Friday."

I really don't see online threats being pursued for criminal charges. If threats move into real world actions by anyone then yes, that would be potentially actionable IMO.

I am curious if online speech such as threats alone has been enough for someone to be criminally charged in the U.S. Anyone?

BBM
Just my opinion