ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 28

[Parsnip]

What is town vs gown theory mean? Thanks

Locals vs college kids/professional employees

 

[Trino]

If that's true, then Hooray! He left DNA absolutely everywhere. On the sliding door or other point of entry, on the floors, the bedding, the victims.

In no way are careless killers harder to track, though, IMO. Genealogical DNA then becomes the right tool.

There are about 10 software programs in use by criminologists to give other clues: facial reconstruction, probable ethnicity, certain mental health issues/propensities. All of this would help narrow a field of careless POI's. They did say it was "sloppy."

Maybe his DNA was everywhere - that would be great. CODIS makes it easier, but using markers and genetic genealogy will ultimately find the perp. That's my bet (if the person in fact didn't wear gloves, especially if they got a cut on some part of their own body).

If he was sloppy, apparently he wasn't sloppy enough to be caught.

 

[Dotta]

tension between outsiders (college kids) and townsfolk. Often phrased as a class difference, but could have other implications.

Oh, graduation gown
Thanks

 

[Peppery]

Banfield town vs gown

 

[Deleted member 718]

I see it's DNA day today.

I hope we learn more about LE's digital forensics investigation. With four young adults glued to multiple devices, I bet it's range is even larger than the possible DNA sources.

 

[GhostGhost]

When did Kaylee Goncalves get into town?

How long had she been in Moscow?

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[OckhamsRazor22]

If you want to go this direction, I’d say someone who desperately wants to be a cop but likely failed any/all tests, etc. when applying, was eventually denied. Perhaps a dishonorable military discharge, works as a security guard. This type isn’t really on my list of possible perps but that’s far more likely than an actual LEO being involved.

Former military (DD), hits the mail right on the head. Ptsd, tours in Iraq, possibly GI mercenary. Insomniac, and definitely able to completely compartmentalize. Any other brain would play the seconds of the event relentlessly on an infinite loop in the subliminal psyche of their brain. Compartmentalizing disassociates him completely from the acts. He is able to navigate his life per his norm. Status quo. Under the radar.

 

[Trino]

Fancy people versus maybe not so fancy people? The Haves and Have Nots…

Town and Gown = Uneducated vs Educated.

 

[SuziQ]

Not necessarily. Consider, we can’t just rely on what DNA was left on the girls by the killer that evening. M&K were out at a crowded bar all evening and then went to the food truck. Can you imagine how many people brushed up beside them, gave them a hug, etc? E&X were also at a party. You try to isolate all the DNA on each body which is difficult enough and takes a lot of time, then you compare that to all the dna on the other three bodies, and see if one isolated sample shows up on all 4 bodies. Then you have to see if the identified/mutual sample belongs to someone in a DNA database somewhere.
This crime scene is a DNA cluster…….

ITA, there is a lot of work involved to even come up with the suspects DNA. And that's even if he left any behind. Imo

 

[ktm44]

If he was sloppy, apparently he wasn't sloppy enough to be caught.

I’m not sure that sloppy was the correct word. That certainly came from the parents but they may have interpreted ‘messy’ or a similar term as suggesting the killer was disorganized when LE may have simply inferred that a messy (complicated) crime scene would take time to sort out.

As always, it’s only my opinion and time may prove me wrong.

 

[Emerald1328]

Not necessarily. Consider, we can’t just rely on what DNA was left on the girls by the killer that evening. M&K were out at a crowded bar all evening and then went to the food truck. Can you imagine how many people brushed up beside them, gave them a hug, etc? E&X were also at a party. You try to isolate all the DNA on each body which is difficult enough and takes a lot of time, then you compare that to all the dna on the other three bodies, and see if one isolated sample shows up on all 4 bodies. Then you have to see if the identified/mutual sample belongs to someone in a DNA database somewhere.
This crime scene is a DNA cluster…….

Well @OldCop, your post earlier in the thread that you thought LE were close to getting the perp gave me hope. Thanks for destroying that hope

 

[sunshineray]

If he was sloppy, apparently he wasn't sloppy enough to be caught.

If, say it was a college kid the victims knew, he'd just have to make sure in carrying out these murders that he didn't cut himself. Any other of his DNA found could be explained away since the house is said to have hosted many parties, probably for 4 years. AJMO

 

[Trino]

Former military (DD), hits the mail right on the head. Ptsd, tours in Iraq, possibly GI mercenary. Insomniac, and definitely able to completely compartmentalize. Any other brain would play the seconds of the event relentlessly on an infinite loop in the subliminal psyche of their brain. Compartmentalizing disassociates him completely from the acts. He is able to navigate his life per his norm. Status quo. Under the radar.

Of course, the military are taught to kill. That's their job. If a soldier has killed, how difficult is it to return to civilian life where it's now wrong to kill? Many returning soldiers have difficulty adapting. Then, there's PTS for somewhere between 100,000 - 200,000 who will deal with this their entire lives. Not all are able to compartmentalize and return to a normal pre-military experience.

 

[10ofRods]

Fancy people versus maybe not so fancy people? The Haves and Have Nots…

College towns have two types of people, especially in terms of local lore.

There are the students who are there to get degrees (about 8-10,000 of them in this case). They will walk graduation in their **gowns.**

And then there are the local residents who run all the businesses and do all the jobs to keep the University open - and the town thriving. These are the townies or "towns."

The students will leave the town and go on to take better-paying jobs/have more choices of professions, etc, etc.

This is a trope in American movies, too. My favorite of the genre is Breaking Away. 1979.

 

[mendicant]

My favorite of the genre is Breaking Away. 1979.

Big +1.

 

[SUSAN ANN]

College towns have two types of people, especially in terms of local lore.

There are the students who are there to get degrees (about 8-10,000 of them in this case). They will walk graduation in their **gowns.**

And then there are the local residents who run all the businesses and do all the jobs to keep the University open - and the town thriving. These are the townies or "towns."

The students will leave the town and go on to take better-paying jobs/have more choices of professions, etc, etc.

This is a trope in American movies, too. My favorite of the genre is Breaking Away. 1979.

Never have seen breaking away but yep it’s always about money. Seems to be anyway.

 

[scottishgal]

there's no evidence that the four were not hanging out together between 1.45am return time and the time they all went to bed ( They must have gone to bed somewhere before 3am) K & M could've been texting JD while all four were in the same room

LE may have evidence of them all chatting and sharing a nightcap or snacks together, for example, 1.45am onwards but it hasn't been made public. They will be piecing that together.

yep if the pasta box was in the dining area instead of in the bedroom

 

[sunshineray]

College towns have two types of people, especially in terms of local lore.

There are the students who are there to get degrees (about 8-10,000 of them in this case). They will walk graduation in their **gowns.**

And then there are the local residents who run all the businesses and do all the jobs to keep the University open - and the town thriving. These are the townies or "towns."

The students will leave the town and go on to take better-paying jobs/have more choices of professions, etc, etc.

This is a trope in American movies, too. My favorite of the genre is Breaking Away. 1979.

Wow, all this time I didn't realize what a small enrollment this college had! I was thinking more my neck of the woods at UCONN and 30,000 +

 

[OckhamsRazor22]

Banfield town vs gown

Basically, the perceived uneducated “townspeople” verses the equally distrusted and scrutinized ivory tower uni “gownspeople” community of said college town. Opposite ends of a doubled edged sword and spectrum. I live in such a location presently. It’s almost a “can’t live with ‘em, can’t live without ‘em” environment. Breeds discontent, resentment, and a very GENUINE sense of bitterness towards elitism. This story is as old as time.

 

[scottishgal]

If we did eventually find out it was a killing for something hiredgun types due to political, ideology, drug gangs whatever , i think even that is less chilling than the Ted Bundy type serial killer working on his own just for ....i dont know even want to say it ....some personal satisfaction from doing violence to another soul for the sake of it

the more i think the more I am sure its v unlikely to be one of the college crowd this is way beyond jealousy, envy, heartbreak, being rejected ...it was 4 victims in one house.....