ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 33

[AngTxGal]

what's worse is that people are tagging the girls in their photos that have no relevance to them. it will be a person reading a book on a mountainside and have KG/XK/MM tagged. it's gross.

I did not know this, but of course I’m not a huge social media fan.
If I were parents of these victims I would close their accounts, it is disgusting enough to have their lives out in the open to strangers. Imagining people with ill intentions would be too much to bear, there are a lot of sick people in the world.

JMO

 

[LizWords]

To be fair, they asked for the public's help 4 weeks ago. Your "5 weeks" is an exaggeration--minute, but an exaggeration nonetheless. Stop bashing LE.

That's not LE bashing, that's just theorizing about where LE is with viable leads. Relax.

 

[PrincessIvy]

It amazes me that folks think details of this case is not anyones business. If you are a citizen of the united States and the FBI is involved then it is 100% your business. Moreover, if you are an adult and have public social media accounts then those accounts are also 100% the public’s business. At least SG will see to it that this case gets appropriate attention with his PI. IMhOO.

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

The way people have been using the victims social media is reprehensible. It’s one thing to go look, it’s entirely different to tag their profiles or comment on every pic asking who is the guy blah blah blah.

I did check out their instagrams last week and was appalled by the number of comments from strangers theorizing about the crime on every dang photo. IDK how people can think thats ok in any way, shape, or form.

It's disgusting. You should see them on some of the reddit boards. People chomping at the bit to dox people based on their "sleuthing". Makes you love the rules here when you have to wade through those cesspools.

 

[AngTxGal]

Exactly…IMO the official report is not accurate. Like someone else stated, possibly LE let that story stand so that specific details regarding what the roommates saw could stay under wraps for the integrity of the investigation. I think that by “summoning” friends, what really happened was there was screaming/crying going on that alerted some to stop at the house, and others were then called by those just arriving, so that there were several friends/family there by the time LE arrived. I don’t think it was ever one of the victims that was described as unconscious, but one of the surviving roommates. MOO

Agree, these kids and their friends need to be left alone.

IMO

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

It amazes me that folks think details of this case is not anyones business. If you are a citizen of the united States and the FBI is involved then it is 100% your business. Moreover, if you are an adult and have public social media accounts then those accounts are also 100% the public’s business. At least SG will see to it that this case gets appropriate attention with his PI. IMhOO.

How is this case not getting appropriate attention? By your own statement, you have said the FBI is involved. What more do you want them to be doing? LE isn't going to release all the details of their investigation to you or any of us other strangers on the internet. The case being solved and a potential prosecution being protected is what matters.

 

[PrincessIvy]

Agree, these kids and their friends need to be left alone.

How is this case not getting appropriate attention? By your own statement, you have said the FBI is involved. What more do you want them to be doing? LE isn't going to release all the details of their investigation to you or any of us other strangers on the internet. The case being solved and a potential prosecution being protected is what matters.

indeed

 

[seemstome]

I don't get it.
How can a former prosecutor, Shanon Grey, not know why this could take longer than 5 weeks?

and on what is he basing this claim that the leadership is inadequate and needs to be changed? He says ' Im not sure they're capable of handling a quadruple murder.... if they are in over their heads... turn this over to somebody more versed in handling this type of matter'

why say all that on NBC news if you're ' not sure' and you're just speculating ?

He's already met with the lead investigator from MPD and the joint leader from ISP ( he said so in his last interview. he didn't mention meeting w the lead from FBI, as expected)


edited to add:
If he has something specific ( other than MPD's poor comms) he should just come out & say it instead of fooling around. ( Or at that juncture why doesn't an interviewing reporter reply wtte put up or shut-up Shannon? or ' specifically what do you mean Mr Grey?)

this kind of talk will not help frustration levels of Steve Goncalves & family ( nor, potentially the other families)

Media ratings are why they are discussing this case at all and bringing out the former experts, investigators etc. to conjecture about it. And when when has the media been the slightest bit concerned for the frustration levels of anyone? Or in representing only known fact instead of mucking around in unknowns? They want you to tune back in.

 

[AuntTricia]

And remember…he had NINE GLORIOUS HOURS of a head start before the other roomates raised the alarm. That is the biggest tragedy. The time which passed after the crime was committed. JMOO.

Everytime I leave my house early to run errands and my older teens are still asleep I cringe!

Which is why I think this is taking so long. They have so many samples in that house they have to identify and separate.

I think they are being very careful with the lab work. The results are just coming in now. Think about all the specimens in that party house? All the hairs and tracked in dirt etc. this is partly why we think it’s taking long. The governor gave something like 1million in emergency funds for the investigation. Hopefully it’s a matter of a known person and they are trying to lock in the conviction not just an arrest.

The results are just coming in now? How do you know this?

 

[lucidium]

Psychology is really weird. When I was around the age of these college kids, I observed what was surely a fatal accident up ahead of me while driving. I was traveling north and saw a truck that was traveling south tumble down an embankment between the two roadways, ejecting and rolling over some occupants. My brain knew I must have just seen people being killed. The traffic slowed and others who were closer and had left their vehicles to assist were directing traffic around/away from the scene of the accident by the time I got closer myself and I averted my gaze. Once I got to open road again, I tried to recall exactly what I had seen and found to my surprise that a cartoony version of the incident played in my mind. Literally stick figures with Xs for eyes. I had never experienced that phenomenon before and have not experienced it since. In that moment, I would have been able to report that I saw people ejected and run over by a truck, but that’s it. My brain must have been protecting me from visuals I could not handle.

I have no idea how things played out with the surviving roommates that morning. They are survivors and potential witnesses and it’s possible details have been kept vague for that reason or other reasons related to the investigation. Still, I thought I’d throw out an example of how a reporting party might have some limitations in accurately reporting the condition of an victim.

True, the brain responds to trauma in crazy, fascinating, ways. So, yes, I admit it is technically impossible to completely rule out many theories with the information we have. In my opinion, there are alternative, plausible scenarios that better fit the known facts though.

We will never know what actually occurred until more info is released, so imagining / debating every possibility seems rather pointless to me. Many people do not agree, and that is perfectly fine. It only concerns me when theorizing distracts from more important points.

 

[AngTxGal]

they can tell us the gender, race, physical features, etc. Then the public who may be whitenesses or have any info can narrow down their scope

Yes, Tricia has had reps from Parabon on her show.
It is DNA Phenotyping- determining the physical characteristics of a person using their DNA profile.

DNA Phenotyping - Parabon® Snapshot® DNA Analysis Service

Here is an article from 2 yrs ago describing the issues with privacy etc regarding DNA databases and forensic genetic genealogy, after a case incriminating a teen boy.
Nature Science Journal

JMO

 

[RetiredEE]

I can’t find a statement yet on the Pullman Washington incident of last week. sometimes those incidents are suicide by cop, either way. unfortunately, another disturbed vet. jmo

I believe that was turned over to the WSP. It is odd nothing has been released, unless his next of kin are very hard to reach. From what I recall, a 30y/o male with anger issues (towards his roommates). Certainly anyone snapping in relative proximity to Moscow is worth keeping apprised of.

No apparent connection is how they put it:

Man fatally shot by SWAT team during standoff

Dec. 16—Washington State Patrol officers stood outside the Coffee House Apartment complex on Latah Street surrounded by police tape Thursday afternoon while investigating an officer-involved shooting after one man was killed by a SWAT team member during early hours. A man in his 30s was fatally...

news.yahoo.com

 

[Knozzmoeking]

Can we step back for a minute to a post on one of the earlier threads regarding the HVAC van that was on the scene of the investigation in one of the pictures? I’d like to know a professional opinion, be it LE, HVAC specialist or otherwise, why they would have been called to the house during the investigation. IMO this is a pivotal piece of information that was barely touched upon.

They may have been looking for a qualified person to determine the last time the temperature settings were changed? Purely a guess.

 

[Bliss_Perth]

The food truck video. I've not seen a video with a moving car. Is there one, do you have a link handy?

I think they are talking about this one Lily....You will see the white car enter a car bay behind a guy in a bw shirt. Then you will see the cars lights flash like its being locked. The car stays in this parking bay for around 15 minutes. I don't believe this is a Elantra as it doesn't have the strip break lights on the rear bumper.

screen grab from grubtruck...

 

[BondGirl007]

Agree, these kids and their friends need to be left alone.

IMO

The call came from inside the house per news reports. I know I've seen folks say that the roommates ran out and in were in the front parking lot and drew attention and called LE from outside, but I don't think that is correct. It's interesting if the call WAS made inside the house. If it were me and I'd just woken up, I'd have gone outside and locked myself in my car and maybe have driven away from there, frightened that the perpetrator might still be in the house. I am sure the roommates wouldn't have gone all the way up to the 3rd floor and checked every space to find out if perpetrator was gone.

 

[lucidium]

Exactly…IMO the official report is not accurate. Like someone else stated, possibly LE let that story stand so that specific details regarding what the roommates saw could stay under wraps for the integrity of the investigation. I think that by “summoning” friends, what really happened was there was screaming/crying going on that alerted some to stop at the house, and others were then called by those just arriving, so that there were several friends/family there by the time LE arrived. I don’t think it was ever one of the victims that was described as unconscious, but one of the surviving roommates. MOO

This seems incorrect to me. If you believe MPD is releasing deliberately incorrect information, how could you ever trust any of it? How do you choose which official information to believe or not?

I trust that MPD is providing accurate information to the public, to the best of their abilities. Communicating well is difficult, especially when some details cannot be shared.

 

[Ozoner]

To be fair, they asked for the public's help 4 weeks ago. Your "5 weeks" is an exaggeration--minute, but an exaggeration nonetheless. Stop bashing LE.

The crime occurred on November 13th, 36 days ago, so five weeks was not an exaggeration. It was accurate—precisely so yesterday when the comment was posted.

 

[livewiiiiire]

It amazes me that folks think details of this case is not anyones business. If you are a citizen of the united States and the FBI is involved then it is 100% your business. Moreover, if you are an adult and have public social media accounts then those accounts are also 100% the public’s business. At least SG will see to it that this case gets appropriate attention with his PI. IMhOO.

"Can I obtain detailed information about a current FBI investigation that I see in the news?

No. Such information is protected from public disclosure, in accordance with current law and Department of Justice and FBI policy. This policy preserves the integrity of the investigation and the privacy of individuals involved in the investigation prior to any public charging for violations of the law. It also serves to protect the rights of people not yet charged with a crime"

Can I obtain detailed information about a current FBI investigation that I see in the news? | Federal Bureau of Investigation

Detailed information about current FBI investigations is protected from public disclosure, in accordance with current law and Department of Justice and FBI policy.

www.fbi.gov

 

[lucidium]

It amazes me that folks think details of this case is not anyones business. If you are a citizen of the united States and the FBI is involved then it is 100% your business. Moreover, if you are an adult and have public social media accounts then those accounts are also 100% the public’s business. At least SG will see to it that this case gets appropriate attention with his PI. IMhOO.

Perhaps you misunderstand what people mean by that? I'm not sure. I believe there are at least 2 categories of info that are not the public's business at this time.

• Evidence and investigation details, some of which would be made public during a trial or further stage of the investigation.
• Personal details that have no relevance to the investigation. The public does not become entitled to private information of victims, witnesses, or any other individual, simply due to the occurrence of a crime.

And I completely disagree with your claim that "'public social media accounts are not 100% the public's business." Social media accounts can be deleted, restricted, or made private at any time. If you only mean it is legal to share information that was captured when an account is public, then I agree. Whether it is ethical or wise depends on the details, but it would be legal in the United States.

 

[AngTxGal]

Here are sources of the videos for those posting they can‘t find them.

Nov 13, 2022 Main Street walking from Corner Club- News Nation

Nov 13, 2022 GrubTruck Footage partial with commentary- Inside Edition

Sept 1, 2022 911 Body—cam disturbing the peace call to 1122 King Road- Law&Crime Network