ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 37

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  • #601
Or maybe after the break up she was having a hard time and wanted to be home, MOO (really just a possible scenario) I do agree it’s a bit strange she was home at that time so close to end of school year

I don't think they'd been "together" for a while but were friendly. I'd want to go home and visit before I left on a trip overseas and then start a job out of state. I'd also jump at the chance to say goodbye, and party with, my best friend since childhood, so would definitely make the party a must on my list. I'm def not in my 20s now but once was...
 
  • #602
What about the many cases where the perp is known, but there's not enough evidence left behind to charge and convict? When they are getting away with it, it's a perfect crime. Sometimes additional evidence is found a lot later, but there's no guarantee.
Not sure how you would know that there are many cases that the perpetrator is known but that there isn't enough evidence. Do you have a particular case(s) in mind?

IMO, it’s all too often a lack of funds and training that prevents LE from gathering proper evidence at a crime scene.

I agree, there is no guarantee. I stand by my opinion that there is no perfect crime. It’s not advisable to charge someone unless prosecution have an ironclad case, as double jeopardy can play a role and then justice is lost forever.

This narrative is in MOO.
 
  • #603
I don't think they'd been "together" for a while but were friendly. I'd want to go home and visit before I left on a trip overseas and then start a job out of state. I'd also jump at the chance to say goodbye, and party with, my best friend since childhood, so would definitely make the party a must on my list. I'm def not in my 20s now but once was...
When did they get that dog? I mean "friendly" broken up couples don't necessarily get a dog "together". JMO
 
  • #604
MOO Someone saying "FU mister" isn't meant as angry or to be a retort to a rude or hostile comment, in fact just the opposite, in more of a joking back or silly way. If it was "FU Ahole" that would be different. Again just from my experience.

Also IMO, I dont necessarily think they took off on him or were trying to get away from him...there food was ready and I would bet the Uber had pulled up and waiting on them. There was no reason to hang out any longer, hot food in hand...time to eat.

I disagree. If someone tells me FU I don't take it as a joke. I take it personally.

JMO
 
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  • #605
@rsd1200

Good to see you on here.

I agree. This case has been discussed endlessly amid many rumors and speculation on SM. Maybe it is to be expected since we are dealing with a very social crowd of young people who live their lives on SM, with a cell phone glued to their ear. Makes me thankful for WS where there has to be a link.

Not like the last case we were on where everything was kept in one family. The good thing about young people who are very active socially and on SM, they very rarely can keep a secret for long. I expect when they are home with families and old friends something is going to slip that gives a break in this case.

JMO

Good to see you too! I was hoping to see you over here! I don't comment too very often, b/c it's just so inundated in the media with speculation, hense the reason I posted the comment that was removed. It's gotten so out of hand, on knowing what is and isn't correct, I'm almost afraid to post. I can't keep track of it all anymore. I just read all the new rules on page one... it's a lot for my condition to handle.
 
  • #606
I've been thinking the same thing about the break up. I bet she found it really difficult in the first place to break up with her boyfriend of 5 years. Adding to that, they lived very close to one another in Moscow. I think it's difficult to sever ties with someone if you have the same friend circle and are always running into each other. She probably needed her space and decided to move back home to make a clean break from her ex and to make the move to Texas easier on her emotionally. JMO.
Thank you for this careful and sensitive interpretation of human emotions as a factor in behavior. It makes perfect sense.
 
  • #607
I highly doubt that LE will keep a person that has killed 4 people violently just walking around and celebrating Christmas. If they even have the slightest, slightest suspicion on a suspect, they'd have already put him in custody and tried to get a confession or build a case on him.
Respectfully, in this country, people cannot be locked up based on "the slightest suspicion" that they committed a crime. There must be real evidence shown before a probable cause warrant can be issued, and while I think LE would probably do all in their power to keep tabs on someone they deemed suspicious, they are not going to arrest someone before they have built a strong enough case against them to feel confident that they can get a conviction. You only get one chance to try someone for murder. You don't get a Mulligan if you "oops" the first time. JMO
 
  • #608
using knife and anatomical knowledge. Also was aware of the DNA issues.

That could also fit a medical student.

JMO

True. And University of Idaho has no medical school. In fact, Idaho doesn't have a School of Medicine but it does have a College of Osteopathy (miles away in Meridian). But a pre-med perhaps would have taken anatomy (usually without cadaver work).

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  • #609
I highly doubt that LE will keep a person that has killed 4 people violently just walking around and celebrating Christmas. If they even have the slightest, slightest suspicion on a suspect, they'd have already put him in custody and tried to get a confession or build a case on him.
Keep in mind MPD first stated this was a targeted killing and there was no danger to the community. they walked that back publicly after an outcry from the public, but who knows what they are still thinking privately. As I said we have no way of knowing what the police know and why they have not yet made an arrest.

JMO
 
  • #610
Not sure how you would know that there are many cases that the perpetrator is known but that there isn't enough evidence. Do you have a particular case(s) in mind?
I mainly remember cases where family members, partners or acquaintances were involved as suspects. In the Moscow case this could apply if LE has a known suspect from the victims' circle.
 
  • #611
What type of military programs does the UI offer if any?

They have a Military Science program, with a robust enrollment and classes in "Profession of Arms," "Army Physical Fitness I, II, III, IV, V" "Leadership," "Military History," "Ethics."

I assume this is a course of study for the University's ROTC cadets. (Reserve Officer Training Corps, for those who may be from outside the US or unfamiliar with this acronym).

Again, I am not ruling any particular person or group out, in my own quest to understand this crime. And when I say I'd bet my lunch money that it was *not* a ROTC cadet, that means I'm betting about $1 - when I bet the whole farm, it means I think I may be onto something.
 
  • #612
The scream the neighbor may have heard was also on the bodycam of one of the police officers who ticketed the boys for underage drinking. If you listen you can clearly hear a woman say "Stop it. Stop". The LE who's cam picked up the scream was standing fairly near the apartment building the neighbor lives in. The audio seemed to come from over his left shoulder behind him, which would have put it very close to the neighbor around the time the neighbor claimed to have heard it. It did not seem to interest the policeman wearing the bodycam as he did not even turn to look in that direction and may have dismissed it as a party going on in one of the apartments. The murder house was behind and to his left.

The woman can be heard at the 23:43 mark, right after one of the boys says he is 19.


JMO
Imo, that isn't tires screeching. But I am not sure what it is. The way no one reacts makes me think it wasn't a scream.
 
  • #613
MOO Someone saying "FU mister" isn't meant as angry or to be a retort to a rude or hostile comment, in fact just the opposite, in more of a joking back or silly way. If it was "FU Ahole" that would be different. Again just from my experience.

Also IMO, I dont necessarily think they took off on him or were trying to get away from him...there food was ready and I would bet the Uber had pulled up and waiting on them. There was no reason to hang out any longer, hot food in hand...time to eat.
MOO -I agree with you as well…and believe the “FU Mister” was more of a “kiss-off mister” than anything else. No major reaction from that exchange occurred. Also, I agree with the hot food scenario. Hot food ready, car pulls up…off they go to 1122. Who wants COLD spaghetti carbonara? Nope. Nothing to see here.
 
  • #614
Good to see you too! I was hoping to see you over here! I don't comment too very often, b/c it's just so inundated in the media with speculation, hense the reason I posted the comment that was removed. It's gotten so out of hand, on knowing what is and isn't correct, I'm almost afraid to post. I can't keep track of it all anymore. I just read all the new rules on page one... it's a lot for my condition to handle.
Here's hoping you get better and get a handle on this case. Once into it the possibilities are endless but very tragic in that 4 young kids lost their lives. That is four different families left with almost insurmountable grief. Plus these kids had very bright futures after college. Who knows how they may have changed the world for the better for all of us.

JMO
 
  • #615
@rsd1200

Good to see you on here.

I agree. This case has been discussed endlessly amid many rumors and speculation on SM. Maybe it is to be expected since we are dealing with a very social crowd of young people who live their lives on SM, with a cell phone glued to their ear. Makes me thankful for WS where there has to be a link.

Not like the last case we were on where everything was kept in one family. The good thing about young people who are very active socially and on SM, they very rarely can keep a secret for long. I expect when they are home with families and old friends something is going to slip that gives a break in this case.

JMO
Great perspective.
I believe it has been discussed and documented that the distance from the home is way too far with several buildings in between for any scream within a home to be heard through the body cam. A scream from a group of kids messing around yes perhaps.
Yes! Agreed. The purported police “bodycamscream” audio thing while ticketing underage drinkers is simply “beating a dead horse” IMOO. If in fact it is a scream at all. LE has not linked it, in any manner, to what occurred at 1122 king road.
 
  • #616
True. And University of Idaho has no medical school. In fact, Idaho doesn't have a School of Medicine but it does have a College of Osteopathy (miles away in Meridian). But a pre-med perhaps would have taken anatomy (usually without cadaver work).

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I don't see why medical knowledge would be necessary. Everyone knows where a person's heart and lungs are. If you want to kill someone with a knife, you know where to stab.
 
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  • #617
Here's hoping you get better and get a handle on this case. Once into it the possibilities are endless but very tragic in that 4 young kids lost their lives. That is four different families left with almost insurmountable grief. Plus these kids had very bright futures after college. Who knows how they may have changed the world for the better for all of us.

JMO
I think the same final sentiment, whenever I read of a young life cut down senselessly. Four of them? Still difficult to fathom or wrap a logical brain around. We must be in the upside down. JMOO
 
  • #618
I don't see why medical knowledge would be necessary. Everyone knows where a person's heart and lungs are. If you want to kill someone with a knife, you know where to stab.
And all of the victims were apparently stabbed multiple times, according to the coroner.
 
  • #619
I don't see why medical knowledge would be necessary. Everyone knows where a person's heart and lungs are. If you want to kill someone with a knife, you know where to stab.
Not to mention, the coroners office hasn’t released any documents which reflect or comment upon the victim’s stab wounds, how many were found on each, or more precisely “where” any of the deadly ones struck. Until that time, it’s safe to say we are all pretty much sitting in the dark. JMOO
 
  • #620
This photo in the article you linked really makes me think something stopped the killer from going downstairs to the first floor. I don’t know if he was injured, interrupted, the doors were locked because they came home earlier or they were never his intended victims, but to me this photo really drives home that the first floor was safe and the others never stood a chance. It’s a really eery photo to me.

MOO
Were there ever any police commentary/reports of blood on the surviving roommate’s door handles where it would show the possibility that the killer could have tried to open their doors or bloody footprints on the first floor that did not match the roommate's or their ‘friends’ they called over before calling the police, or any evidence that the killer went to the first floor? I recall news of the front door being left open for hours with speculation that the killer fled through the front door, but I do not remember reading with that information if blood was found. Also, it seems probable that blood from the second and third floors could have been accidentally tracked to the first floor during the hectic period of trying to get M, K, E, and X to respond.
 
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