ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 38

[Kittycat40]

I can see it as a possibility.

What if someone couldn't get to sleep on a particular night because of their partying? What if (for instance) that person overslept for a job interview or failed an important exam, and he blamed the occupants of the house? What if his girlfriend left him because they were arguing all the time, and he blamed it on his continually being tired because of is disrupted sleep due to the noise from the party house?

I can see someone committing this crime and feeling totally justified in doing so if the inconsiderate noise from the partying ruined his life.

It’s almost impossible to determine a motive for the murders without knowing who the killer and or killers are. An exception to that could be a robbery gone wrong or rape. But nothing of value was taken from the victims that led to their murder and none of the victims were raped so all that has been ruled out. Thus, at this point until the killer and or killers are caught we won’t know the WHY behind the killings aka the motive.

What’s most important is:

1. finding the occupant and or occupants of the white Hyundai seen near the murder House the morning of the murders

2. looking into all leads,

3. talking to any one who had contact with any of the victims no matter how big, small, or insignificant that contact may seem

4. They should be analyzing blood, fibers, fingerprints etc.

5. They should try to retrace the victims steps, try to retrace how the killer most likely gained entry to the house etc. etc.


The list goes on but you get the idea.

Most likely the police and FBI are doing all the things I mentioned.

Motive for the murders is the least of the FBI and Police Departments concern until the killer and or killers are caught.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I think the perpetrator has the car stored. This is all part of his fantasy. The car is a form of trophy. The car is kept somewhere isolated in a garage, or away from the house in a workplace or storage unit. The perpetrator only brings the car out for criminal activity. It maybe unregistered, even have false VIN.
The gas station car is stock standard. Its only identifiers are dark tinted windows and possible modified rear window antenna which could be white noise in the frame from IR or reflection in my opinion.

The type of car, no decals or identifiers with dark window tint to mitigate camera capture of the occupants suggests premeditation in my opinion only. This car has been chosen and modified for police evasion IMOO. Medium term pre meditation IMOO. Not a crime of passion JMO.

I think the car holds more persnal value to the perp now than ever in my opinion.

Idaho murders: Cops take hours of video from gas station after clerk spots white car on night of stabbings | Fox News

Four University of Idaho students were attacked and killed in their sleep last month

www.foxnews.com

I disagree. I think that car was dumped the minute a description of it hit the news. LE is now just relying on tips from people who know someone who owned or drove a white Hyundai Elantra in the proceeding weeks to the murders. Or better yet sifting through tens of thousands of vehicle registrations in the surrounding areas.

That car has gone to sleep with the fishes.

JMO

 

[Butterscotch29]

Yes exactly. I have been in situations at college parties where friends of friends of friends and even complete strangers show up and bring in a dangerous element I never expected. I think a situation like this is very possible, where people with ill intent show up at a party. It doesn't mean the innocent party goers are involved with these people or their activities. They just might be too young or inexperienced to know exactly how to handle it. MOO

I’ve been thinking of this more and more lately. I honestly feel the killer is the friend of a friend. Someone who’s been around the frat and victims on the fringes and involved in illegal activity. Unfortunately this bad element managed to brutally kill these 4 kids.

IMO when we find out who it is and why it was done it will turn out to be much less complicated than we think. I think the violence escalated quickly and there’s a big chance this person was on drugs themselves. I don’t think the target was K or M or a stalker. I think it has to do with an altercation at the frat house

 

[NCgardener]

Oh, there's one thing to add to a list of facts! From that bar picture just "leaked": Nobody in that room right then could have been hiding in the house for hours.

 

[Mad Hettie]

There are many ways to repaint a car, legal and nonlegal. I've repainted my own car, not that it was great, but it would have passed.

With respect, may I ask what you’re looking toward here? I was assuming we were looking at ways he/she/they might disguise or alter the car to avoid detection. I don’t know that they would, but if they did, I was thinking they wouldn’t use legal means. JMO. But, I’m in my head all the time and I come here to learn from others, so I am curious about your thoughts.

 

[OckhamsRazor22]

Is your point about Bundy that he would be caught quickly today because of DNA? Or something else? Because he's a planner, I would surmise that he would have adjusted to the times. I disagree with your point about risk.

I agree that some killers are smart enough to limit risk. Some can control their impulses. And some are opportunists. Bjt many killers who plan murders have antisocial tendencies, which include risk taking, impulsiveness and manipulation. Thrill seeking can a key element when you are killing for the love of the game. I say this as someone who has sat in the room with many people with Antisocial Personality Disorder, including psychopaths. When they tell their stories about their crimes they often revel in their risk taking, limit testing and when they almost get caught. They also often insert themselves in investigations, which carries enormous risk.

Perfectly laid-out for this crime. Some killers ONLY gain sexual satisfaction through the act of extreme violence (and here we have FOUR such acts carried out one after the other). The dominance and position as the only survivor has him feeling immortal. Total annihilation and elimination of all who attracted him, and anyone standing in the way or posing a threat. He is probably DRUNK on the perception of immortality. That…is a very toxic kind of power. JMOO

 

[OckhamsRazor22]

<modsnip - quoted post was making insinuations towards a particular person who has not been named POI by LE>
I hope he is drawing someone’s suspicion. Murder Cases are solved in this manner every day. Could even be posting or commenting here…on WS. Who knows?
Jmoo

 

[OckhamsRazor22]

Oh heavens, yes. But nothing surprises me in this insane world of ours.

Yes. Definitely PLANNED. How? When? WHY? Etc.

JMOO

 

[Kdot112]

I’ve been thinking of this more and more lately. I honestly feel the killer is the friend of a friend. Someone who’s been around the frat and victims on the fringes and involved in illegal activity. Unfortunately this bad element managed to brutally kill these 4 kids.

IMO when we find out who it is and why it was done it will turn out to be much less complicated than we think. I think the violence escalated quickly and there’s a big chance this person was on drugs themselves. I don’t think the target was K or M or a stalker. I think it has to do with an altercation at the frat house

Agreed. I think this is more likely than it being a direct friend.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Agree completely with personal effect and I also think it's a gauntlet for LE. A challenge to the brightest and best of crime solvers. Sort of a catch me if you can. It wouldn't surprise me if he was sitting back with a vainglorious attitude watching to see if he has correctly anticipated LE's moves in this fiction-come-to-life creation of his and it also wouldn't surprise me if he wore a go-pro and filmed the entirety for his viewing pleasure.

moo,jmo, and out of the box thinking

if he was sitting back with a vainglorious attitude watching to see if he has correctly anticipated LE's moves

Or off on Christmas vacation with his/her parents.

JMO

 

[OckhamsRazor22]

Perhaps there are possible selfies etc that were taken inside said vehicle placing individuals there ? Just an idea / opinion

Yes. I clearly recall the footage at the food truck reflecting M & K taking photos of one another while waiting on their order. There are loads of selfies. I hope LE is able to view most of them, and people send any footage which may be beneficial (no matter how seemingly insignificant it may appear). JMOO

 

[NCgardener]

Just spitballing here, but I'm going to change my timeline because the one we have is so tight if the 3rd floor girls need to be asleep.

I'm going to theorize that maybe the Hyundai by the house right after the phonecalls stopped and watched the house creepily or similar that drew the cops' suspicion, but then it left. At least for a while.

That frees up better possibilities timewise.

 

[OckhamsRazor22]

Agreed. I think this is more likely than it being a direct friend.

An acquaintance by all standards. Yet, I don’t think he was high on anything besides the adrenaline and epinephrine quickly overwhelming all of his senses. An inherent mechanism so primal that he could NOT possibly control his own impulses. These four deaths are a direct reflection of that “outta control” mindset. Even the most careful planner…misses something. JMOO

 

[Past Mortem]

So would you say this crime is in the category of "thrill killing" or "excitement killing" or "I just want to kill" type of killer? Usually, it's a serial killer that ends up classified this way, but I don't see why we wouldn't have a mass murder of the same type.

The way you wrote it up, it sounds like the killer is a bit closer to an ideological mass murderer (one who hates a particular group or even an idea). "Young girls" is only a draw if there's a sexual interest, IME (why would anyone be drawn to a house with young, attractive women? Because...they're young attractive women; so that's a bit of a sexual motivation IMO).

But the thrill of the kill itself is a possible motive/or mindset (it's so hard to know). I've interviewed rapists who've said, "I just wanted to, so I did it" (and then describe their victimology briefly - pretty similar to what you said, "the girl was pretty and so...") One man said that he also sought certain kinds of housing (for some reason he believed young women who lived alone upstairs with outdoor staircases to be better targets) but he couldn't say exactly why. He was one of those knock on the door, push his way end kind of rapists. Never had any intent to kill victims.

A thrill kill is probably the closest I would describe my theory as - at this stage, and considering the very little information we as the public have been provided.

I posted a few threads back that it’s my opinion that the house/occupants were targeted due to who they were/who they represented, that being young, attractive, popular college kids. The house IMO was likely somewhere he had been before (likely for a party) meaning he had an idea of the layout, knew the occupants or at least the type of occupants and saw it as a good place to scope out in the lead up.
My thought is, is this a person who at some point was rejected by the college scene? Maybe they attended for a short amount of time before dropping out due to not fitting in. I wonder if after dropping out, he (I’m assuming male in this case IMO) somehow found his way back into the scene and even felt he was accepted by the same popular kids (non specific person/s here, just talking popular college kids in general) who once shunned him. That could be due to him being a little older and having access and the ability to supply illegal items (drugs, alcohol if underage, that type of thing). IMO there was still a trigger that unleashed the years of pent up emotions due to being rejected and an outsider and in my opinion that could’ve been something such as him finally feeling confident and accepted enough to make a move on one of these college girls (not necessarily one of the victims or even someone in their circle) only to find himself rejected once again and realising he was being used all along. A possible trigger like this may have cemented the idea and belief to him that he’s had all along - that ‘popular’ kids are selfish, self-centred, nasty, etc. I’m sure his list could go on.

IMO it wasn’t just the feelings of rejection and a potential trigger that caused him to carry out such a horrific crime. I believe he has always had dark, underlying fantasies and been a bit ‘odd’ to others and this has all come together at the right (or wrong, really) time for him to act on both his urges and his beliefs.

My above theory is also why IMO there isn’t another crime committed by this individual for us to be able to compare it to. I think it was their first, and yes, what a first it would be if that turns out to be true, but stranger things have happened… they always have and they always will!

Editing to say: As for a possible sexual aspect to this crime, I believe there was definitely a sexual component though not in the traditional sense our minds may all first go to (sexual assault). IMO the act of the stabbing was the sexual element of this crime - the knife was chosen due to the up close encounter the weapon provided him with. He ‘got off’ on the killing itself, rather than sexually assaulting a victim/s. IMO he never had an intention of committing a sexual crime as it’s not his M.O.

All my own personal opinion based on what we know/don’t know so far.

 

[NCgardener]

Does anybody know if there is any reason near the house, especially behind it, for a small trucking company to be delivering there? Maybe delivering gravel or asphalt?

I'm not going to implicate some poor small company to explain my (silly?!) hypothesis. But if there's any reason y'all know of, just give a yell, please

 

[OckhamsRazor22]

I continue to go back to the idea that the house/occupants were the target, so yes, it is a targeted attack but not in the sense of one particular person was targeted due to a grievance as such.

IMO the killer targeted that house for whatever reason - house full of young girls, knew the lay out well from parties, was a good house to watch, etc. any of the above or other. I think the killer went there for the kill itself, not to end the life of that particular individual.

Just as one hunts where he knows there is abundant prey. Just as one fishes where he knows the fish are in surplus. So he chose the House as he knew it would produce multiple victims for him to terrorize and kill. JMOO

 

[OckhamsRazor22]

There are many ways to repaint a car, legal and nonlegal. I've repainted my own car, not that it was great, but it would have passed.

Or…lay down a white wrap with a hair dryer in the garage, and then peel it off in Said garage. People exhibit odd behavior when planning a homicide (s). A prominent Nasa space scientist once drove across the country in diapers to commit a murder. Necessity is the mother of invention. JMOO.

 

[OckhamsRazor22]

Is the perpetrator finding the targets in social media?

Or “clarifying” info on them surfing online and SM accounts. Anything’s possible at this stage in the game. JMOO.

 

[OckhamsRazor22]

This^
It's disturbingly dark there. Pitch black.

Under the “veil” of darkness. Killer used this moonless night to his full advantage. JMOO

 

[MuddyTires]

Interestingly, Fox News followed one of our comments and pulled four years of campus parking record sets of Hyundai Elantras.
One of the number plate records is redacted for some reason.

Idaho murders: 90 white Elantras were registered to park on campus as cops struggle to find vehicle

Police are seeking a white Hyundai Elantra spotted near a crime scene just steps away from the University of Idaho in connection with a quadruple homicide.

www.foxnews.com

All of the plate numbers are redacted in the pdf copy available at the link you posted.

The article says the plate number was left blank for one of the vehicles. In looking at the PDF, presumably that is the one that also is the only entry that has no state listed and a has VIN number listed. So perhaps its a campus vehicle that doesn’t go on public roads, or someone registered for parking after buying a new car before they received their new plates, etc.