ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 41 *ARREST*

[WingsOverTX]

@Kristina730 Thanks for your response.
I thought that questionnaire might have been a preliminary stage--- to locate candidates for further data gathering. Clearly not gold standard.

Maybe eligible for a Razzie Award?

Golden Raspberry Awards - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Or a "Failure to Publish" award due to data being unvetted garbage.
JMO

 

[Tillyjames]

Neighbor at apartment claims suspect was very friendly.

Neighbor says he is very friendly when he ran into him. Now he lives across from a crime scene and murder suspect. I couldn’t imagine waking up to that. Sounds like this neighbor didn’t suspect at all

 

[Friday Fan]

Didn’t Adam Lanza describe himself as vegan? Murdered 27 people.

I don't believe Adam Lanza described himself as anything...

 

[MsOh]

But done with review by the university's IRB? How could he access responses to a DeSales Uni email address unless he had authorized email access?

Just curious. At first I wondered if it might be a joint research project between WSU & DeSales.

Hmmmm....

Good question. At my uni, we retain access to email and system logins for six months after graduation. But maybe I just don't want to believe this got the stamp of approval ^^

 

[10ofRods]

All MOO-

<modsnip: no approved source link to information> Press conference : chief of MPD says they have charged him felony burglary which he then explained can only be used if you have forensic evidence of that person being in the house.

So it’s certain they have enough evidence to connect BK to the crime and murders.

But with the cancelation of house cleanup today…. Not yesterday when the warrant was filed and swat team raid was planned.

What changed after the arrest ?

Chief says legal request from court.

There is something here…. Possibly a partner or accomplice.

Don't know if anyone answered, but up until the case was filed (as it has been) in Idaho, the State could not influence what the owners were doing with the property.

Now it is a part of an adjudicated case and LE/DA will require a judge's decision before anything else is touched. They may want to take Bryan to the house to see his reactions. They may want to take a JURY there, as is often done.

I believe LE has explained this, but it is lost in today's massive amount of info.

 

[al66pine]

I'm extremely skeptical that such a "research methodology" would be considered rigorous enough to yield reliable & usable data.
Maybe he went rogue? How was he going to vet that the answers received were from the population (criminals) he was supposedly researching?
Weird & possibly unethical.
JMO

@WingsOverTX
Thank you for taking time to respond.

Rogue? Weird? Sounds about right.

 

[WingsOverTX]

I can still use one of my university email and I do use it for certain things. I also use my alumni email as well.

Wow, interesting - most universities restrict domain access for those no longer directly affiliated IME & they should IMO.

 

[maskedwoman]

right to counsel

www.law.cornell.edu

If he doesn't obtain counsel, and no criminal atty takes it pro bono, then yes, he'll get a PD. 6th amendment. This is going to be a mega-high profile case. I wonder who will step up?

I'm confident some defense attorney will jump at the chance to handle this high profile case, even at public defender rates, and get themselves on the "A list".

 

[Zella]

But done with review by the university's IRB? How could he access responses to a DeSales Uni email address unless he had authorized email access?

Just curious. At first I wondered if it might be a joint research project between WSU & DeSales.

Hmmmm....

As I've already posted, I agree the methodology was off, but it wasn't a joint research project between WSU and DeSales. It was from his work on his master's at DeSales and was apparently posted when he was enrolled there. He graduated from there this spring and had only been at WSU for a semester.

Edited to add: I think he claimed it for his master's rather than actually used it since he shouldn't have been conducting research that late in the process, given his graduation date. MOO

 

[Deleted member 718]

Is a PhD education expensive? Just wondering about his financial situation. Student loans, TA salary, possible child support, etc.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

'I believe the uber driver said it was mac and cheese - a specialty of the house at Grub Truck.

It was not a ramen place, IMO.


So he was a security guard at a school? I am awaiting more information - as there are articles say he was and some saying he wasn't.

At any rate, I seriously doubt he chose victims according to their dietary preference (to address some recent posts).

All of this new information really confirms why LE said "the house" was targeted. The victimology here is not specific to any one person.

IMOO, agree his or the victims' eating preferences are likely not germane to his motive(s) for killing 4 innocent young people (allegedly, acknowledging an arrest is not a conviction), but I could be proven wrong, dunno, but color me skeptical...

I think he perhaps knew their (X, M & K's) neighborhood & that the house was a popular gathering place for college students & known for throwing parties & making noise at night sometimes, & it was off campus housing (hence less oversight than on campus with ever present campus security), added to which the back of the house & goings-on could be viewed from a somewhat hidden vantage point, & these were factors that drew and/or solidified his attention.

And, more importantly, IMO, there was something in the setting they lived in that drew his ire, IMO. Whether cold blooded/calculating or emotionally raging, he had to have had enough of some sort of animus towards them to want to kill them, sadly, in his own mind.

A "second degree of separation" kind of situation, where he knew of them & their living arrangements & maybe "knew" who they were through social media and/or the "college scene", but did not know them well/only knew them from afar.

Time will tell & hopefully help folks make sense of such a senseless tragedy.

Have to say again... !! KUDOS to LE !! on bringing him in, and godspeed on getting him convicted & justice & healing for their loved ones.

 

[10ofRods]

Good question. At my uni, we retain access to email and system logins for six months after graduation. But maybe I just don't want to believe this got the stamp of approval ^^

Dunno, but many places offer students post-graduation retention of their email.

As alumni.

 

[Zinn]

I wonder if LE will uncover who exactly participated in this survey and other related correspondence - hopefully it was saved in the Cloud or on BKs computer. IMO there could be a lot of important information in the files/notes- and certainly potentially someone who may be charged with aiding and abetting depending on what information and guidance they may have supplied.

The way these surveys work, there’s a link to an anonymous survey and even the reddit user name would not be linked to the anonymized survey response. However, he included his contact information and reddit users can also message within the app, so who knows what his correspondence (outside of the anonymized surveys) might have looked like. The correspondence would not link to survey responses, however.

If there was a significant reason to attempt to uncover the identity of anonymous survey respondents, maybe FBI could do that, I have no idea.

 

[Abigail]

Most people are CLUELESS and don't watch the news or even follow local crimes let alone in another state.

Well, this story has been plastered all over. It would be hard to miss, even if you're nowhere near Idaho

 

[alex dvport]

For the LE connection you have to upload your results to another site (GEDmatch or FTDNA). The sites you listed won’t share with LE.

Unless there’s a court order. Then, sites like ancestry/23 share (my understanding).
Edited for clarity/to remove typo.

 

[hopewell]

Dunno, but many places offer students post-graduation retention of their email.

As alumni.

Indeed, my wife and I still have and use ours.

 

[LizWords]

So do I have a Masters degree In a very related field. I don’t think I could of have gotten that research project approved on the net. Specifically because of the topic- reliability issues, methodology and in general a statistical nightmare.

What puzzles me the most is the timing of the survey. It was posted in May. He graduated that semester, so in May he should not have been starting any projects, he should have been finalizing projects, submitting a thesis paper, etc.

Maybe he had a summer course? But summer courses don't start in May... It's just odd to me.

 

[EncyclopediaBrownJr]

Does the average person in Pennsylvania even know that Idaho is adjacent to Washington? Does his social circle/family in Pennsylvania know that his branch of WSU is that close to the Idaho border? Do they know that the UOI branch is in Moscow? Geography isn’t many people’s strong point, especially when it comes to obscure towns many states away.

I live in Pa but grew up in Massachusetts. Am a Patriots/Drew Bledsoe fan and knew he went to WSU but totally thought it was near Seattle. Didn't know that it was in a tiny town near Idaho.

And i'm glad you brought this up because even though Google Maps allows you to explore everywhere, there's nothing like a locals perspective. You know the ins and outs of the area better than anyone else. It's like somebody not yet born giving me an opinion on what life was like in the 80s. Ok they may have watched documentaries or movies or youtube videos but unless you lived during that time, you just don't know truly what it's like. A more true and honest perspective would go to somebody actually there. A local there wouldn't necessarily dismiss the idea that there could be a connection between somebody going to school in Pullman and the murders in Moscow.

Frankly, I was mostly geared towards it being somebody tied to Moscow or somebody travelling through the area. Didn't really consider Pullman, though I thought it was possible. Be that as it may, It just boggles my mind how somebody in a very high level graduate program that requires reasoning can do something so evil and unreasonable.

 

[Kristina730]

So do I have a Masters degree In a very related field. I don’t think I could of have gotten that research project approved on the net. Specifically because of the topic- reliability issues, methodology and in general a statistical nightmare.

I have been approached by researcher grad students multiple times online, in specific message boards that have only therapists on them who practice specific types of therapy or with specific populations. The researchers are usually asking about the way we practice. And they want to give us some way to be anonymous. I think it really just depends on what your research method is. In early stages it's just all about that qualitative methodology, collecting information.

I suppose we will know eventually if his research was legitimately approved by the school or not. If it was, just think of the theories he might have proposed in his dissertation, and the goldmine of psychological info it could give...

 

[Alethea]

Is a PhD education expensive? Just wondering about his financial situation. Student loans, TA salary, possible child support, etc.

My understanding is they waive your tuition and give you housing but you work for free as a TA on top of your course-load and research.

IMO it's extremely exploitive and few people who graduate from these programs get the Academic jobs they're promised. These schools are just churning out worthless PhDs for free labor. But that's for another thread.