ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #10

[renarde]

Mr. Carbuff has done some longer hikes (a week to 10 days at a time) and some of his friends have hiked the AT. Most people do it in sections because they can't get five or six months off to do the whole thing all at once, but the ones who do tend to go looking for another long hike. It's kind of addictive, I gather.

If any of these hikers saw anything, it would probably be really difficult to track them down...

 

[merlgerl]

OMG for this kids sake get your heads outta the sand this wasnt no crazy cult or alien or a sasquatch yetti godzilla or batman good lord people ..I once heard this saying IF you havn;t got anything good to say then dont say anything at all...well in this case if you havnt got anything plausable to say then dont say anything at all keep the crazy talk to yourself your not helping to find this little boy..

You don't know what could help find little Deorr.

 

[renarde]

Still thinking about the different arrival dates... and we still don't know when the Stage Stop sighting occurred...

Could it be possible that JM and DK did not realize GGP had brought a guest (IR)? Maybe until after DeOrr vanished?

They didn't even mention the 4th adult camper in their interview. Maybe they didn't know IR was in a tent on his own?

Does this make sense? Maybe they arrived at 9:30 pm and just went to sleep, not knowing GGP had brought a friend. The next morning, IR is off fishing, and GGP doesn't mention IR to DeOrr's parents, so they think it's just them at the campsite... is it possible they weren't aware of IR for a while?

 

[carbuff]

If any of these hikers saw anything, it would probably be really difficult to track them down...

It would probably be worth putting out messages on the hiking boards and such, though. Distance hiking is a pretty small world and word gets around.

 

[Mickshawn]

Still thinking about the different arrival dates... and we still don't know when the Stage Stop sighting occurred...

Could it be possible that JM And DK did not realize GGP had brought a guest (IR)? Maybe until after DeOrr vanished?

They didn't even mention the 4th adult camper in their interview. Maybe they didn't know IR was in a tent on his own?

Does this make sense? Maybe they arrived at 9:30 pm and just went to sleep, not knowing GGP had brought a friend. The next morning, IR is off fishing, and GGP doesn't mention IR to DeOrr's parents, so they think it's just them at the campsite... is it possible they weren't aware of IR for a while?

That's interesting thinking, but why wouldn't GGP mention he brought a friend??

 

[Onebest]

Humans in my example were LE. I was just trying to show that on the fourth search a "specialist" dog indicated but LE ignored it because they had searched and found nothing.

Respectfully cut for brevity....

Do you have links for this information TheTruthWillOut?I have read most all information posted and I do not remember reading anything about LE ignoring a dog indication because of searching and finding nothing. Thank you.

 

[renarde]

That's interesting thinking, but why wouldn't GGP mention he brought a friend??

Maybe he *forgot* to mention it? Maybe he didn't get around to mentioning it? Maybe he didn't want to mention it...

After all, DK and JM didn't mention IR in their interview either.

 

[wondering25]

Humans in my example were LE. I was just trying to show that on the fourth search a "specialist" dog indicated but LE ignored it because they had searched and found nothing.

Are you thinking Deorr was never there (at that campground) then? It is something I've thought about but I really don't want it to go in that direction. Then again I recently went down the rabbit hole of the Websleuths archive and read all 47? threads of the Hailey Dunn case.....and well..

If you don't feel you can share your theory, that's fine.

He was there, IMO. i am not sure he returned from the store and i am not sure how long he was there at the campground..JMO

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

Do you have links for this information TheTruthWillOut?I have read most all information posted and I do not remember reading anything about LE ignoring a dog indication because of searching and finding nothing. Thank you.

Here you go: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...se-family-FOUR-searches-failed-spot-body.html

 

[ClaireNC]

It would probably be worth putting out messages on the hiking boards and such, though. Distance hiking is a pretty small world and word gets around.

Are there any long distance trails near the campground? If hikers are stopping in Leadore, what trail are they hiking on?

 

[ClaireNC]

Here you go: removed link to Daily Mail article

TTWO, I think you might have linked the wrong article. That article is about Tia Sharp, not little Deorr.

 

[renarde]

Are there any long distance trails near the campground? If hikers are stopping in Leadore, what trail are they hiking on?

CDT, or Continental Divide Trail...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_Divide_Trail

Check out the map.

 

[renarde]

Are there any long distance trails near the campground? If hikers are stopping in Leadore, what trail are they hiking on?

Here is just one travel blog that mentions CDT and Leadore. This one was from July.

http://carrotquinn.com/2015/07/16/cdt-day-71-out-of-leadore-back-into-the-mountains/

 

[Onebest]

Here you go: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...se-family-FOUR-searches-failed-spot-body.html

Ahhhh, I thought you were speaking in regards to the search for baby Deoor. I see it's another case. My mistake. Thank you.

 

[kammiemc]

Maybe he *forgot* to mention it? Maybe he didn't get around to mentioning it? Maybe he didn't want to mention it...

After all, DK and JM didn't mention IR in their interview either.

Did LE talk to IR the day DeOrr went missing? Or did they learn he was there during their investigation? If it is the former perhaps LE asked the family not to mention him for some reason. If it is the latter, I have some questions.


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[carbuff]

CDT, or Continental Divide Trail...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_Divide_Trail

Check out the map.

Looking at the route, it's unlikely that any of the through hikers would have seen anything. The trail runs along the opposite side of the valley from where Deorr's family camped.

 

[bessie]

Did LE talk to IR the day DeOrr went missing? Or did they learn he was there during their investigation? If it is the former perhaps LE asked the family not to mention him for some reason. If it is the latter, I have some questions.


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I think it was the former. I'm also pretty sure there were a couple of subjects LE wanted left out of the interview.

JMO

 

[Cardinal47]

If any of these hikers saw anything, it would probably be really difficult to track them down...

I thought about that after I read what you wrote and maybe not. If they received packages or registered to stay in a room they might have given an address. If they had a cell phone surely some higher power could figure out the names of those pinging off the tower.

I think "will/way".

Heck they might not know they could have valuable information.

 

[Dee10]

Still thinking about the different arrival dates... and we still don't know when the Stage Stop sighting occurred...

Could it be possible that JM and DK did not realize GGP had brought a guest (IR)? Maybe until after DeOrr vanished?

They didn't even mention the 4th adult camper in their interview. Maybe they didn't know IR was in a tent on his own?

Does this make sense? Maybe they arrived at 9:30 pm and just went to sleep, not knowing GGP had brought a friend. The next morning, IR is off fishing, and GGP doesn't mention IR to DeOrr's parents, so they think it's just them at the campsite... is it possible they weren't aware of IR for a while?

BBM - Excellent point & good questions that requires little common sense IMO.

 

[pepelepolecat]

Do you have links for this information TheTruthWillOut?I have read most all information posted and I do not remember reading anything about LE ignoring a dog indication because of searching and finding nothing. Thank you.

This was in another case being discussed -- not DeOrrs.