ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #10

[rkf]

The PI says he's had a "solid tip" about a possible abductor and has passed it on to police.

Wasn't the re-enactment supposed to be today? In the article it says they don't know when it will be.

PI also says that an axe and the GGF's coveralls were taken from the campsite by the FBI - sounds bad, but i'm guessing it's just routine to seize anything like that, just in case. Don't know why the PI would release that info though, when it sounds so bad!

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/0...receives-solid-tip-on-toddlers-disappearance/

The coveralls belong to ggp, but not necessarily the ax. I don't know why he would release that information, either. An ax seems like a normal thing to take camping for firewood. I'm betting LE isn't going to share much with Vilt since he is willing to share what he learns with the public. Wonder how long it will be before he can consult with the county detectives. I also wonder when he received this tip - how long has he been sitting on it?

Where else was the re-enactment reported?

Monday Vilt and members of the Kunz family will return to the Leadore area to re-enact Kunz's disappearance. Vilt is hoping this proves Kunz was abducted and that his parents played no role in his disappearance.
http://m.localnews8.com/news/10000-reward-offered-for-leads-in-missing-toddler-case/35229162

 

[rkf]

Maybe minds greater than theirs have advised them that it is a double edged sword..a "re-enactment" might point out where the players all were.. but it might point out inconsistencies, errors in judgment, and the reenactment isnt even close to authentic without a 2 year old running around, GGP and IR. ALSO, it could be used against them if there is ever an arrest or trial in this case. In other words, it might backfire down the line. JMO

Maybe they decided it wouldn't do much good to have JM and DK doing the re-enactment without ggp (who might not be up to it physically OR emotionally) and IR (who doesn't seem interested in having any more to do with DeOrr's disappearance than the parents want with him.) Plus, you can't know what you don't know. Even if you can show each other and the PI where you think you were standing at a certain point, the most important events happened outside the eye and earsight of the adults. They should be able to create a timeline and virtual re-enactment, even using a map and pins, to see where everyone was when DeOrr disappeared and where he could have gone that no one would have seen him. After watching the video, it's also possible that JM is simply not up to re-creating that day. It's not clear what the reenactment was supposed to prove and to whom. Sounds like Vilt came up with a PR stunt without thinking through the ramifications. JMO.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

Maybe minds greater than theirs have advised them that it is a double edged sword..a "re-enactment" might point out where the players all were.. but it might point out inconsistencies, errors in judgment, and the reenactment isnt even close to authentic without a 2 year old running around, GGP and IR. ALSO, it could be used against them if there is ever an arrest or trial in this case. In other words, it might backfire down the line. JMO

Maybe....But why did Vilt announce this reconstruction to media on Friday and then today EIN report uncertainty in it happening?

Something is off here.

 

[rkf]

Why only single out GGP and item of his seized? Is it because this is a strong hint or because all others items taken were more mundane?

Whatever the reason(s) it isn't good.

There now seems to be a bit more doubt on the reconstruction. I wonder if LE have "requested" they not do it? Can they stop them?

If I didn't know better, I'd think it's Vilt creating more reasonable doubt - even throwing shade at ggp if he thinks it will muddy a jury pool for any eventual trials. It seems desperate and craven IMO.

 

[desert-blue]

As near as I can tell, Mr. Vilt's only agenda is to channel suspicion away from the parents. Apparently GGP is not off limits anymore.

I'm guessing the FBI did not release the info about what they seized. GGP probably told someone what they took and now it's made it way on to the local news. I'm sure the FBI is thrilled.

The circus goes on.

 

[desert-blue]

Maybe....But why did Vilt announce this reconstruction to media on Friday and then today EIN report uncertainty in it happening?

Something is off here.

BBM. I agree. And it's interesting that it was NOT EIN that announced the re-enactment. They chose to go to KIFI channel 8 in Idaho Falls for that news release.

 

[rkf]

There is nothing odd about that statement at all. I have a two year old right now and I'd think the same thing. Not because I planned on leaving my child alone but because I'd like to sit down at some point and not have to run after my two year old everytime he took an extra step to the right. Seriously these two year olds don't stop moving and if an area is not inclosed your gonna not even be able to enjoy your time there at all. DeOrr also says it was an enclosed area and you could see him. I think that was his point to all most everything he was trying to say.

Unfortunately, at least one side of the campground was enclosed by water. Because of everything you just said, I don't see how camping with a two year-old would be much fun for the parents. If they made arrangements with another relative to take turns watching DeOrr, they might be able to enjoy a few minutes of not chasing their son, but it's not clear if that was agreed upon between all the adults. It just seems exhausting - adding the perils of unfamiliar terrain to all the work parents do during a normal day...

My strategy was to wear my kids out during the day so I could have some down time once they went to bed. I would have taken my toddler exploring with me, so he could safely run a few feet ahead of me. Then once he was good and tired and ready for nap, I would have made sure ggp was willing to watch him in case he woke up in unfamiliar surroundings. Even if DeOrr fell asleep behind ggp's chair at the campfire, if he woke up without making any noise, he could have slipped of unseen and unheard and no one would have any idea how long he was gone or what direction he went.

I still think it there was no way to not see DeOrr, there was no way to not see a kidnapper or even one of the POIs off with DeOrr. If the baby was alive at the campsite, I think it's still most likely that he wandered off into the brush and died from drowning, exposure or animal attack. Stranger abduction seems much more unlikely than any other scenario. (Yes, I know that doesn't mean it's impossible.)

 

[wondering25]

BBM. I agree. And it's interesting that it was NOT EIN that announced the re-enactment. They chose to go to KIFI channel 8 in Idaho Falls for that news release.

Think about it.. why would you announce a re-enactment? Every gawker for miles around would be there including cops in plain clothes pretending to be concerned citizens..wired and taking notes.. it is nutty..IMO

 

[giagreen]

Unfortunately, at least one side of the campground was enclosed by water. Because of everything you just said, I don't see how camping with a two year-old would be much fun for the parents. If they made arrangements with another relative to take turns watching DeOrr, they might be able to enjoy a few minutes of not chasing their son, but it's not clear if that was agreed upon between all the adults. It just seems exhausting - adding the perils of unfamiliar terrain to all the work parents do during a normal day...

My strategy was to wear my kids out during the day so I could have some down time once they went to bed. I would have taken my toddler exploring with me, so he could safely run a few feet ahead of me. Then once he was good and tired and ready for nap, I would have made sure ggp was willing to watch him in case he woke up in unfamiliar surroundings. Even if DeOrr fell asleep behind ggp's chair at the campfire, if he woke up without making any noise, he could have slipped of unseen and unheard and no one would have any idea how long he was gone or what direction he went.

I still think it there was no way to not see DeOrr, there was no way to not see a kidnapper or even one of the POIs off with DeOrr. If the baby was alive at the campsite, I think it's still most likely that he wandered off into the brush and died from drowning, exposure or animal attack. Stranger abduction seems much more unlikely than any other scenario. (Yes, I know that doesn't mean it's impossible.)

Its easy to forget when your with your child everyday in the safety of your own home just how hard they really are. At home gates are up, you've got movies, baths, and all kinds of things to form a routine as well as having the place on lock down.
We also need to remember that DeOrr is an over the road truck driver. My son's father is actually an over the road truck driver as well. They don't have any idea what its actually like being a full time single mom when they are gone. Truckers are home maybe once a week for a few days if that. And in my case my little boy is great for him and easy cause he's excited to have daddy home. DeOrr imo probably had no idea how capable his little guy was of taking off. He doesn't get to see the fits and battles at bed time or the potty training or the mad dashes they try to make. Its my biggest frustration with my son's father.
But I'd be protesting a camping trip personality. It wouldn't be fun at all with a two year old. It would be 24/7 chasing and being worried. But I bet she (mom) was easily talked into it. Considering the fact that dad is home so its not going to be 100% of her having to chase him.
And idk when DeOrr got off the road and came home in the first place. But truckers usually do not get a lot of time off between loads. If he'd just got off the road after being gone a week or two and they packed up and went to the camp site which could explain a lot about ariving the night before then it makes a lot of sense to me that they would sneak off togeather for about 15-20 min

Just wanted to add what I forgot what I wanted to say befor I started rambling on. I agree with you that its still most likely little DeOrr wondered off and something happend. For me I've always believed it was an animal of some kind. Prob a mountain lion or something. I did some reading up on cyotes, mountain lions, ect and found that they go after smaller targets. Sadly little DeOrr would be a purfect and helpless catch. I was reading a list of victims of cyotes and sadly they always seem to attack toddlers. And more offten then we think because a lot of the attacks where right in the child's front yard while playing and an adult intervened and they survived.

 

[Deleted member 718]

We need a list of everyone PI Vilt has thrown under the bus, because GGP Walton just landed there with a loud thud.

 

[KayCherry]

Agreed, great post, I also want to say maybe slipped away, but how about "hearing" him... he had a voice, kids cry constantly, yelling his name, you would've heard him crying or screaming... i am so confused.....

Unfortunately, at least one side of the campground was enclosed by water. Because of everything you just said, I don't see how camping with a two year-old would be much fun for the parents. If they made arrangements with another relative to take turns watching DeOrr, they might be able to enjoy a few minutes of not chasing their son, but it's not clear if that was agreed upon between all the adults. It just seems exhausting - adding the perils of unfamiliar terrain to all the work parents do during a normal day...

My strategy was to wear my kids out during the day so I could have some down time once they went to bed. I would have taken my toddler exploring with me, so he could safely run a few feet ahead of me. Then once he was good and tired and ready for nap, I would have made sure ggp was willing to watch him in case he woke up in unfamiliar surroundings. Even if DeOrr fell asleep behind ggp's chair at the campfire, if he woke up without making any noise, he could have slipped of unseen and unheard and no one would have any idea how long he was gone or what direction he went.

I still think it there was no way to not see DeOrr, there was no way to not see a kidnapper or even one of the POIs off with DeOrr. If the baby was alive at the campsite, I think it's still most likely that he wandered off into the brush and died from drowning, exposure or animal attack. Stranger abduction seems much more unlikely than any other scenario. (Yes, I know that doesn't mean it's impossible.)

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

We need a list of everyone PI Vilt has thrown under the bus, because GGP Walton just landed there with a loud thud.

Also, unless I missed something, he disappeared for ~ 1 month. Anyone know where he's been?

Edit: To be clear here I mean PI Vilt.

 

[kammiemc]

The coveralls belong to ggp, but not necessarily the ax. I don't know why he would release that information, either. An ax seems like a normal thing to take camping for firewood. I'm betting LE isn't going to share much with Vilt since he is willing to share what he learns with the public. Wonder how long it will be before he can consult with the county detectives. I also wonder when he received this tip - how long has he been sitting on it?

Where else was the re-enactment reported?

Monday Vilt and members of the Kunz family will return to the Leadore area to re-enact Kunz's disappearance. Vilt is hoping this proves Kunz was abducted and that his parents played no role in his disappearance.
http://m.localnews8.com/news/10000-reward-offered-for-leads-in-missing-toddler-case/35229162

I can't believe that Vilt gave out that info. If the family was worried about judgment and criticism why would he fuel the fire by sensationalizing what could have been routine. Did they not seize any other tool or clothing? Seems like someone is throwing GGP under the bus, or camper, if you will.


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[TheTruthWillOut]

This is probably nothing but hasn't the usual routine for the family been to go up to Timber Creek at the weekends? (due to needing to work during the week?)

Yet PI Vilt states on Friday they'll be going up on Monday for the reconstruction. You would think it would be done Sat/Sun, not wait until Monday?

Sorry if this is again negative but something is niggling me about the last couple of days of information.

 

[Niner]

Hi :wave:

So... nothing much has happened in DeOrr's disappearance since Sept. 1st, when I last read here?? Except for the PI reenactment?

:tyou: in advance! I'm curious, as I'm keeping the Timeline updates!

 

[Deleted member 718]

Also, unless I missed something, he disappeared for ~ 1 month. Anyone know where he's been?

Edit: To be clear here I mean PI Vilt.

He appears to be waiting for LE to return his calls.


“I've called the department several times and they've never returned my call," said Vilt.

localnews8.com Aug 12, 2015

 

[JadeSLeuth]

It is a weird thing to seize

I don't find it weird that they seized it; I do find it bordering on bizarre that the PI mentioned it, and made it clear who the items belonged to.

 

[ILOKAL]

I don't find it weird that they seized it; I do find it bordering on bizarre that the PI mentioned it, and made it clear who the items belonged to.

The PI might have said that so it is understood just how thorough ALL the POI are being looked at, even a 76 year old man. That's my take anyway.

 

[ClaireNC]

Hi :wave:

So... nothing much has happened in DeOrr's disappearance since Sept. 1st, when I last read here?? Except for the PI reenactment?

:tyou: in advance! I'm curious, as I'm keeping the Timeline updates!

Hi Niner. I've been away from the case for a while too. FYI, I just updated the Media thread with 5 articles from the last 5 days. That seems to be about all that is new in the media.

 

[JadeSLeuth]

I'd like to know where the idea for a re-enactment originated, which might help me understand the purpose of it. If this was instigated by the Sheriff, for example, that means something different to me than if it was suggested by the parents. If the FBI is behind it, that means something different to me than if the PI came up with it. If is is driven by some form of LE, I do wonder if the PI "high jacked" ownership of the idea and dropped it to the media to get ahead of any social media activity on it. None of this matters a bunch; just things I think about. If it is LE driven, I wonder if it is a call to action for everyone to be accountable for their verbal descriptions of their location/activity on the awful day of the disappearance. Doing a live action-walk-through makes a ton of sense to me - if LE is driving it. Any gaps that appear in the adults' lines of vision for one example, could lead to new ideas of an explanation of DeOrr's absence, or of new search directions.
Yup, I'm babbling now. MOO