ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #11

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  • #481
You know, I hate when others do this, but I'm going to do it anyway. I've fallen so far behind in keeping up it's overwhelming to play catch-up. I do check in to see if Deorr has been found, but otherwise haven't been reading. Is anyone willing to give me a quick update? The last I knew nobody was named a POI or suspect and the FBI had just been brought in. I really appreciate it!

He has not been found. The PI has done a re-enactment. The reward has been increased to $20k. LE has requested that all tips go to them rather than the PI. The PI has released that GGPa's coveralls (or overalls?) and an axe were taken from the campsite and that IR has lawyered up.

I *think* that covers most recent updates. I'm sure someone will be along shortly to correct the info if I have it wrong.
 
  • #482
Waiting for someone with nimble fingers and good ears to transcribe the recent Vilt interview so it's easier to dissect.:waiting::happydance:
 
  • #483
Which would mean they saw the leering man on Thursday night and not Friday day. Someone is using a magical calendar..

Look.. this is all beyond bizarre. NONE OF ANYTHING WE HAVE HEARD IS EVIDENCE.. it is INFORMATION..and not good information. MOO

Just my opinion on all of this

I am just trying to catch up. I wonder if they went to that little store Thursday night and Friday morning and DeOrr was the crying, dirty child as described.

Wow
 
  • #484
He has not been found. The PI has done a re-enactment. The reward has been increased to $20k. LE has requested that all tips go to them rather than the PI. The PI has released that GGPa's coveralls (or overalls?) and an axe were taken from the campsite and that IR has lawyered up.

I *think* that covers most recent updates. I'm sure someone will be along shortly to correct the info if I have it wrong.

So, not much! So discouraging. Has anyone been named a POI or suspect? I saw a few pages back talk of sleuthing but never could find who could and could not be sleuthed. Edited to thank you for catching me up! :)
 
  • #485
Neglect is a strong word in this case, especially if GGP gets charged with something like that. Yikes.


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I'm not certain. I don't think GGPA could be charged with neglect as he is not the parent or guardian. The parents could be, I guess, but don't know that they would be. I think it could depend on the totality of the case and circumstances that placed little Deorr in harm's way. IMO
 
  • #486
Same here, my mouth fell open when I heard that they'd seen that Rubicon. I mean how many just like that can there be in that part of the country. I would hope that the FBI is already involved in the investigation concerning the California siting. The little boy in that photo was as close to the spitting image of Deorr as one could get, IMO.

I agree that the the pic looked exactly like DeOrr. I wonder why LE and the fam have said its not him and why the PI is not all over it (or is he?)
I feel a little dubious about DK's sighting of the black Rubicon, only because it sounds like the PI already knew that was what the guy in Swan V was driving. The PI could have asked about whether DK saw that specific car, and DK could have thought he did because maybe it would make sense to him that it was the same guy.


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  • #487
Since the PI says GGP was neglectful for stepping into the camper I have to assume that he thinks that is when the toddler went missing. Which is brand new info. I was wondering if maybe he went into the camper because he thought the toddler was with the parents. That would just make him confused.


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Unless he thought he had gone with his parents.

ETA: This is what was stated in the earlier stories according to GGP, but I'm a little confused about that now as the PI is now giving a different story. Just call me :confused:
 
  • #488
Another new point from the interview, GGP actually did go inside the trailer.

Allegedly. GGP has never uttered a word.
 
  • #489
Do you know what, I really have to keep reminding myself this gorgeous boy is missing, because this case is the most frustrating and annoying I've read on here. All the changing stories, misreporting, lack of confirmation of anything meaningful, and ambiguity from all sources is verging on the tedious.

I'm putting myself on Deorr time out. Or I'll at least try to :gaah:
 
  • #490
So this leering old man with long grey curls drove his shiny new Black Rubicon up to the tiny campground, and just happened to be right there when GGP ducked into the trailer?
 
  • #491


ANYONE WHO IS PROVIDING CARE FOR THAT CHILD IS THE CAREGIVER.. NOT RESTRICTED TO PARENTS..IMO

Child neglect is a form of abuse in which the caregiver fails to provide for the child in some way that could result in physical, emotional, psychological, or even educational harm. When most people consider mistreatment of a child, they think of active abuse - the caregiver hurting or perhaps molesting the child - but neglect is basically passive abuse. For example, it would be neglect for a parent to leave her young children at home without food for an extended period of time.

Neglect is by far the most common form of child mistreatment in the United States In fact, 78.3% of child maltreatment victims suffered neglect, as compared to 18.3% who suffered physical abuse and 9.3% who suffered sexual abuse. It can be incredibly dangerous. Over 2,200 children in the United States died of abuse and neglect in 2012, and nearly 70% of those children died because of neglect. Surviving victims of neglect also experience many psychological issues over time, from attention and language deficits to reduced mental function to lower academic success. As a result, it's absolutely important that children get the help they need to escape neglect situations.
The circumstances of mistreatment can be complicated. Please read ahead to learn more about what would be considered neglect under the law so that you'll be able to accurately report neglect when it's discovered.
The Different Forms of Neglect
Child neglect can come in many different forms. Below, you'll find explanations of the most common types of neglect.
- See more at: http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/child-neglect.html#sthash.SYtSXi7b.dpuf
http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/child-neglect.html
 
  • #492


ANYONE WHO IS PROVIDING CARE FOR THAT CHILD IS THE CAREGIVER.. NOT RESTRICTED TO PARENTS..IMO

Child neglect is a form of abuse in which the caregiver fails to provide for the child in some way that could result in physical, emotional, psychological, or even educational harm. When most people consider mistreatment of a child, they think of active abuse - the caregiver hurting or perhaps molesting the child - but neglect is basically passive abuse. For example, it would be neglect for a parent to leave her young children at home without food for an extended period of time.

Neglect is by far the most common form of child mistreatment in the United States In fact, 78.3% of child maltreatment victims suffered neglect, as compared to 18.3% who suffered physical abuse and 9.3% who suffered sexual abuse. It can be incredibly dangerous. Over 2,200 children in the United States died of abuse and neglect in 2012, and nearly 70% of those children died because of neglect. Surviving victims of neglect also experience many psychological issues over time, from attention and language deficits to reduced mental function to lower academic success. As a result, it's absolutely important that children get the help they need to escape neglect situations.
The circumstances of mistreatment can be complicated. Please read ahead to learn more about what would be considered neglect under the law so that you'll be able to accurately report neglect when it's discovered.
The Different Forms of Neglect
Child neglect can come in many different forms. Below, you'll find explanations of the most common types of neglect.
- See more at: http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/child-neglect.html#sthash.SYtSXi7b.dpuf
http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/child-neglect.html

It is not cut and dry or black and white. Each case is handled on a case by case basis and depends, like I said, on the circumstances that surround the case. I don't "think" the GGPA would be charged with neglect, in this case (although it's not an impossibility and would depend on the circumstances). The parents, however, might be. We don't know all the circumstances . . . . Not really sure if we know any!
 
  • #493
Posted on September 18, 2015 by KID News
http://590kid.com/2015/09/18/tips-about-missing-toddler-forwarded-to-idaho-fusion-center/

I had the chance to interview Frank Vilt, the private investigator for Deorr Kunz's family. I asked him a little bit about his background and the latest on the case.


I specialize in recovering abducted or missing children, and I knew Deorr's - the boy's - father because he worked in a body shop in monteria and I'd had my cars worked on down there and I'd seen the little boy [something] in the shop a few times, and it was a month since he was missing and nothing was happening so I kinda got myself involved because I wanted to help out and find out what was going on.

Okay. So, there are a couple of different really interesting things that are happening in this case right now. Little boy down in California was found wandering around and a woman shows up and "claims" him, now there's a picture of this little boy - they put it side to side with a picture of Deorr - I can not tell the difference between those two little boys. The resemblance is remarkable, so weigh in on that angle right now.


Well, what I have learned - this was in a Motel 6. A little boy with no shirt on and with a diaper was wandering in the parking lot of this Motel 6, so a motel employee brought him inside and put a - kind of a shirt on him and took his picture holding a telephone and notified the police of this. And when the Orange County Sheriff showed up, I believe they released him to a person without obtaining the proper identification as to who this person was. I've been in contact with a lieutenant down there - Lieutenant Roach - and his e-mail to me was they were gonna see if they followed the proper procedure, and I have not heard back. I have put them in touch with Detective Sergeant Noah of Bonneville Sheriff's Office, and they were corresponding back and forth, and I believe that the person that the little boy was given to has left the area. I don't even know if they have been able to find them. But I do know that they supposedly opened some kind of CPS case about this and I haven't heard the results, and I'd like to hear the result - but I should hopefully hear the results of that some time today. It's very strange.


It is very strange. And when you look at the two pictures - since you're been involved in these kind of abduction cases - was your response similar to mine? They're close enough that this absolutely merits more attention.


Oh, absolutely. That's why I made the initial call down there, and yesterday when I called down there no one knew anything about anything, then of course the boy's father called down there and he was quite upset and he was transferred to homicide and then disconnected, and then finally I just went through the proper procedures again and then finally got an e-mail back from the Watch Commander, so then I e-mailed him and he advised me that he was in contact with the Bonneville County Sheriff's office up here to hopefully get some resolution to find out what actually did happen. Right now nobody's saying anything about that, but it's very suspicious to me.

Okay, let's shift over to this other story. Witnesses apparently have come forward and said that they saw - I guess a suspicious looking man in both the Leadore area and also in Swan Valley, of all places, so give us the run down on that particular part of this story.

Sure. I established a national hotline - a tip line - because the sheriff and high county didn't put out an Amber Alert. So I felt that just to get the public involved, with their eyes and ears to help us solve this case. So a lady called me from Swan Valley - she had been in Swan Valley but she lives in the Idaho Falls area - and she said that she has four little blonde boys and they were hiking in the Palisades campground area and the husband kinda lagged behind with one of their boys - their children, their little boys, boys are 3, 4, 6 and 9 - and she got back to the van earlier than her husband and she saw this man - he was in his mid fifties with gray-white hair - staring obsessively at her boys and it made her feel very uncomfortable. And so when her husband finally got back she said "Maybe I know this guy" so she kind of waved at him and said "Honey, don't - don't - that guy looks kind of kooky - stay away from him, let's get out of here". and then the man followed them to tan ice cream store. He was driving this very expensive looking black Rubicon - Jeep Rubicon - and so she called the tipline and she said "This is what happened to me, and I was concerned about this black Jeepy Ribicorn - this guy was just staring at my kids. "
So I called Deorr, the boys father, and said have you seen any vehicles outside the store in Leadore before you went back to the campground prior to when your son was missing and he said "Yeah - right - I saw a very brand new - almost brand new - very expensive-looking black Rubicon jeep."
 
  • #494
I'll transcribe the other two parts tomorrow if I get a chance, and if no one else has already done it :)
 
  • #495
Why are all these new theories and allegations and "leaks" of evidence just now coming out and being investigated? Deorr has been missing over 2 months. The PI came on the scene over a month ago (and then seemed to disappear). I find the timing of all this very odd. The woman who saw the man in Swan Valley claims to have reported it to the Lemhi County Sheriff's office on July 19th. Mr. Vilt's fist interview aired on August 11th. If she felt the sheriff's office didn't follow up properly, wouldn't she immediately call the new tip line when the PI came on the news on August 11th and said he was sure that Deorr was abducted? Why would this woman wait to call the tip line until the middle of September? This all makes no sense to me. And DK says that he now remembers that he saw a newer black Jeep Rubicon in Leadore? And we're being told now that GGP went inside his trailer while supposedly watching Deorr? It's too much. My head is spinning and I am so saddened that grown-ups have turned this investigation into a three-ring circus.
 
  • #496
According to the go fund me site, LE has decided they do not want outside searches done at this point and the money collected is being returned.

Well that's a big twist isn't it? At first they could search first of October which took them very close to snow and maybe the FBI saying something.

Now no searching at all. I can't figure that unless they are afraid searchers would be at risk of hunters and getting lost or hurt.

This certainly has it's twists and turns.

BTW I can't get over how much that little boy in CA looks like DeOrr. Now the detective said some woman showed up and they turned him over. The PI is trying to find out if they did that properly.

Wow.
 
  • #497
Regarding possible neglect charges, I would think that *if* GGP is not capable of looking after a child properly due to, say, dementia, then the parents could be charged with neglect for leaving Deorr in the care of someone they knew was incompetent. Plus, *if* he never even knew he was supposed to be watching Deorr, then that was his parents' fault for not making sure someone was watching their child. JMO.
 
  • #498
Thanks for the transcript Rayemonde.

This bit sticks out to me.

very expensive looking black Rubicon - Jeep Rubicon - and so she called the tipline and she said "This is what happened to me, and I was concerned about this black Jeepy Ribicorn - this guy was just staring at my kids. "
So I called Deorr, the boys father, and said have you seen any vehicles outside the store in Leadore before you went back to the campground prior to when your son was missing and he said "Yeah - right - I saw a very brand new - almost brand new - very expensive-looking black Rubicon jeep.

Was the bold said by both parties or is this just a dramatic line that Vilt has added himself? Either way this just doesn't ring true at all IMO.

If any of this is true/credible then LE will issue an Amber Alert, right? If they don't in the next day or two....
 
  • #499
Well that's a big twist isn't it? At first they could search first of October which took them very close to snow and maybe the FBI saying something.

Now no searching at all. I can't figure that unless they are afraid searchers would be at risk of hunters and getting lost or hurt.

I thought the go fund me search was cancelled a while ago? Or was that a different one?
People were critical of the go fund me searches anyway, because search and rescue groups like that usually do not charge for their services.
 
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